Team List Rd 10: Warriors Vs Panthers (saturday 18-05-13)

[mt.wellington]

Peyroux (like Seijka) has to earn the right to play FG, they were signed as first graders, that doesn't guarantee them a spot. It will be tough for Peyroux you would have to say CT, Laumape, Hurrell, Neilson, and Henry are ahead of him ATM. Although I am sure Henry will go 2nd row when Neilson returns. If Johnston gets a knock then Seijka will come in as they will need a half and a goalkicker, surely.

Seen him play at 2nd row and if he wants to play FG then that's where he should concentrate IMO. As you point out we have a surplus of centres. Can't he also play wing...

 

[Tim burgess]

Peyroux from what I saw of playingfromr the titans looked very averarge, noticeable he comes up with a number of basic errors. I'm sure he will only will play a couple of games at the most for the warriors.

I would class him as a squad player only

 

[Mr Frank White]

Dunno what the fuss is. We never had any real depth before now. M.E is building an overall squad with most players 2 position specialists. So instead of being disadvantaged when a player goes down, hopefully we won't miss a beat.

 

[warriors8]

Tuimavave Vs Laumape in the centres. Laumape for me over and over again. Proved it yet still playing for the vulcans. Oh well bro get a good offer and go somewhere that appreciates your talents. Inu saga all over again IMO

 

[OMG]

I actually remember Carlos being spoken about as a centre option a fair bit in the off season. But this is prior to Laumape hitting the scene. Carlos does have a superior ball-playing skillset and vision to Hurrell, and like to Laumape as well - though we haven't seen enough of Laumape yet.

Laumape strikes me as more an individual instinctive type player, with a great skillset and footwork but not the attacking awareness to play in the halves. Having said that, Laumape is 19 years old! He could become anything with time.

Tuimavavae does have a bit of height and range to his build, which will help him pop offloads in the centre role. And defensively Carlos is not the turnstile he's made out to be. I may have mentioned his tackle stats vs Bulldogs weren't particularly bad... maybe needs to work on his positioning to get more of a dominant hit in, rather than making these grasping tackles we tend to see.

Very interesting to read Elliot's thoughts on the Hurrell vs Tui debate though.

Carlos is a turnstile, I hope he can offer something more defensively this week, but I am not so confident, Cleary will send most the traffic at him this week and kick to Bill.Winning game plan IMO..
What alarmed me is our missed tackle count for the 2nd half, The Bulldogs were rampant and we only missed 10 tackles and 8 ineffective, there's something wrong with those figures IMO, or we are so woefully inadequate that no one wanted to tackle.

 

[mt.wellington]

Carlos is a turnstile, I hope he can offer something more defensively this week, but I am not so confident, Cleary will send most the traffic at him this week and kick to Bill.Winning game plan IMO..
What alarmed me is our missed tackle count for the 2nd half, The Bulldogs were rampant and we only missed 10 tackles and 8 ineffective, there's something wrong with those figures IMO, or we are so woefully inadequate that no one wanted to tackle.

I like what Carlos offers on attack. Seems to have a good understanding of the game and makes good calls more often then not. Defensively though he is a different story.

In his first game when he was fended flush on the face by Colin Best I gave him the benefit of the doubt but since that game its turned into a bit of a habit. He has this method of trying to grab a players Jersey first from arms length instead of his first contract being with the shoulder. Its a really poor technique and the resulting missed tackle is hardly surprising.

I have to agree that he'll be targeted mercilessly along with Manu by Ivans crew. If they follow the same plan that beat us in the trials they will simply run round Tupou's edge. Having Benry out there will add some strength though.

Not really sure which Warriors team is going to show up this week. Not going to make a prediction. Just going to watch the game and hope for the best...

 

[Gizzyfan]

Carlos is a turnstile, I hope he can offer something more defensively this week, but I am not so confident, Cleary will send most the traffic at him this week and kick to Bill.Winning game plan IMO..
What alarmed me is our missed tackle count for the 2nd half, The Bulldogs were rampant and we only missed 10 tackles and 8 ineffective, there's something wrong with those figures IMO, or we are so woefully inadequate that no one wanted to tackle.

One thing we do know about Cleary is he is fairly predictable. That could work in the Warriors favour. If the team structure stands up and Tuimavave commits it should be OK. The other thing is maybe TL and he could swap on occasion on defence. The more I think about it CT is the logical choice given his ability to cover FB. Now folks, don't have coronaries, but the only other squad member we have who fits that skill set is Ropati. Does the selection sound better now.?

The team is a long way from performing at their maximum, but you could argue easily that without Refereeing howlers they would be well in the top 8 with easily 3 more wins. Considering last year. The late start for ME, a shocking injury toll and really things are not that bad.

 

[Generally Little]

ME has said all along that when players come back from injury he will be able to select the players who are training and performing the best. In the latest interview he says that Konnie performance is down and Carlos’ is up. So Carlos is playing centre until Konnie earns his spot back.

 

[gREVUS]

One thing we do know about Cleary is he is fairly predictable. That could work in the Warriors favour. If the team structure stands up and Tuimavave commits it should be OK. The other thing is maybe TL and he could swap on occasion on defence. The more I think about it CT is the logical choice given his ability to cover FB. Now folks, don't have coronaries, but the only other squad member we have who fits that skill set is Ropati. Does the selection sound better now.?

The team is a long way from performing at their maximum, but you could argue easily that without Refereeing howlers they would be well in the top 8 with easily 3 more wins. Considering last year. The late start for ME, a shocking injury toll and really things are not that bad.

ive been checking my data banks and while the grey matter isn't what it used to be, i'm pretty sure the warriors traditionally start slow. This year has been slower than most but I have faith (maybe that should be hope) that things have started to improve and can only get better.

 

[mrblonde]

Tuimavave Vs Laumape in the centres. Laumape for me over and over again. Proved it yet still playing for the vulcans. Oh well bro get a good offer and go somewhere that appreciates your talents. Inu saga all over again IMO

Lord, no. Laumape's had only one first grade coach and you can't say that coach hasn't given him any chances. He's four games in to his career, no way is he another Krisnan Inu. I don't subscribe to the idea that once you make your debut in FG that's where you stay baring injury or form. You can't tell me Laumape's got anything like the complete NRL centre's game, so therefore he needs time to adjust, learn and improve. Some of that will happen in the NRL and unfortunately for everyone who thinks Laumape deserves to play NRL ahead of some other centre options, some of that will happen in the Vulcans.

 

[OMG]

One thing we do know about Cleary is he is fairly predictable. That could work in the Warriors favour. If the team structure stands up and Tuimavave commits it should be OK. The other thing is maybe TL and he could swap on occasion on defence. The more I think about it CT is the logical choice given his ability to cover FB. Now folks, don't have coronaries, but the only other squad member we have who fits that skill set is Ropati. Does the selection sound better now.?

The team is a long way from performing at their maximum, but you could argue easily that without Refereeing howlers they would be well in the top 8 with easily 3 more wins. Considering last year. The late start for ME, a shocking injury toll and really things are not that bad.

Dumb approach from Elliot, How many teams play a weak defending centre just in case the Fullback gets injured-stupid

I like what Carlos offers on attack. Seems to have a good understanding of the game and makes good calls more often then not. Defensively though he is a different story.

In his first game when he was fended flush on the face by Colin Best I gave him the benefit of the doubt but since that game its turned into a bit of a habit. He has this method of trying to grab a players Jersey first from arms length instead of his first contract being with the shoulder. Its a really poor technique and the resulting missed tackle is hardly surprising.

I have to agree that he'll be targeted mercilessly along with Manu by Ivans crew. If they follow the same plan that beat us in the trials they will simply run round Tupou's edge. Having Benry out there will add some strength though.

Not really sure which Warriors team is going to show up this week. Not going to make a prediction. Just going to watch the game and hope for the best...

Flosses bad defence has been there a long time, the bundy grab is the best description, go through some of the 3rd man tackles he came in for by the try line. bundy grabs on 3rd man in WTF and where the fuck was he when Perret got away, Russell was there chasing, Bundy was having a rest on the ground , check the highlights, how do you not get a missed tackle for that pathetic attempt. ..Not confident at all, Sika Manu will be running straight over the top of him if he can find him..Did no one notice the adjustments Des made to the Bulldogs game plan in the 2nd half..great coaching..
Was the one pass to Vatuvei really that good, it was a great pass from TL to start it, but what else could Floss do. I have never seen a complete game from this kid, he has never done what Johnson or Meads did in games, a blind deaf man awarded him MOM in the 1st grand final and the same fulla put him in last years toyota cup team, he was tragic in the u20s last year and only played a handful or so games.
I really do hope he proves me wrong, he does have nice vision, but so do a shit load of touch players.

 

[Far Away Fan]

Flosses bad defence has been there a long time, the bundy grab is the best description, go through some of the 3rd man tackles he came in for by the try line. bundy grabs on 3rd man in WTF and where the fuck was he when Perret got away, Russell was there chasing, Bundy was having a rest on the ground , check the highlights, how do you not get a missed tackle for that pathetic attempt. ..Not confident at all, Sika Manu will be running straight over the top of him if he can find him..Did no one notice the adjustments Des made to the Bulldogs game plan in the 2nd half..great coaching..
Was the one pass to Vatuvei really that good, it was a great pass from TL to start it, but what else could Floss do. I have never seen a complete game from this kid, he has never done what Johnson or Meads did in games, a blind deaf man awarded him MOM in the 1st grand final and the same fulla put him in last years toyota cup team, he was tragic in the u20s last year and only played a handful or so games.
I really do hope he proves me wrong, he does have nice vision, but so do a shit load of touch players.

I kind of agree with you there, but am a bit worried if that's totally correct, I mean, was ME watching the same game?
"I think he's a first-grader. I see his progression, and I'm not getting carried away with similarities, but a bit like Laurie Daley.
...... he's a guy with plenty of class, and I thought he showed it [in Wellington].''

 

[Jay M]

Game preview from the SMH - the fact they are tipping us scares me a bit:

Centrebet Stadium, Penrith, Saturday 7.30pm (AEST)
Last meeting: Round 24 2012 - Panthers 18 bt Warriors 16 at Mt Smart Stadium
Head-to-head: Panthers 15 Warriors 14 drawn 1
Referees: Gerard Sutton, Henry Perenara
TV: FoxSports 1 (live, red button)
TAB Sportsbet: Panthers $1.70 Warriors $2.20 Draw $23.00
FootyTab: Warriors +2.5
Phil Mitchell writes: The Warriors have lost eight consecutive matches in Australia, however Centrebet Stadium is one ground that shouldn’t hold any fears for them. The Warriors have won their past three games at Penrith and boast an overall record of seven wins, one draw and seven losses. Even though the Auckland club is languishing in 15th spot, they could easily be in the top eight had they not finished several matches so poorly. Butchering a 16-point lead against Canterbury last weekend would have been particularly galling and it’s a bad habit they must break.
As for the Panthers, only a few weeks ago they were a popular pick for the wooden spoon – now they are only two points adrift of the top eight after upsetting Melbourne and thrashing Parramatta two weeks earlier.
Phil's tip: Warriors by two
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AAP writes: Penrith pulled off the shock of the season by beating premiers Melbourne last week and have a real chance to go back-to-back against a Warriors side battling confidence issues. The return of former Panthers mentor Matt Elliott in the opposing coaching box adds some extra spice and he would love nothing better than to put one over the club that sent him packing midway through the 2011 season.
Key: Travis Robinson and Matt Moylan have been superb since moving up to first grade for the Panthers and will be a constant threat for the Warriors.
PANTHERS: Matt Moylan, Travis Robinson, Lewis Brown, Dean Whare, David Simmons, Isaac John, Luke Walsh, Nigel Plum, Kevin Kingston (capt), Tim Grant, Sika Manu, Matt Robinson, Adam Docker. Interchange: James Segeyaro, Sam Anderson, Mose Masoe, Clint Newton.
WARRIORS: Glen Fisiiahi, Bill Tupou, Ben Henry, Carlos Tuimavave, Manu Vatuvei, Thomas Leuluai, Shaun Johnson, Sam Rapira, Nathan Friend, Russell Packer, Feleti Mateo, Simon Mannering (capt), Todd Lowrie. Interchange: Ben Matulino, Jacob Lillyman, Elijah Taylor, Pita Godinet, Suaia Matagi (one to be omitted).


Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-match-preview/penrith-panthers-v-new-zealand-warriors-20130516-2jo33.html#ixzz2TULhGqOD​

 

[Lord Gnome of Howick MBE]

Tuimavave Vs Laumape in the centres. Laumape for me over and over again. Proved it yet still playing for the vulcans. Oh well bro get a good offer and go somewhere that appreciates your talents. Inu saga all over again IMO

He has just re-signed with us.

He has been poor in his last two outings (including one in the Vulcans).

 

[Raurimu Massive]

Inu saga all over again IMO

Inu wasn't being played because of his constant appalling attitude and its effect on the younger players in the club, which was described by coaching staff as 'a cancer in the team'. Very different to Laumape, I hope.

 

[Danpatmac]

Inu wasn't being played because of his constant appalling attitude and its effect on the younger players in the club, which was described by coaching staff as 'a cancer in the team'. Very different to Laumape, I hope.

Source?

 

[Raurimu Massive]

Source?

One of those annoying things that I can't really say without getting the guy in the shit - he's still heavily involved with the club in a promotional role. Obviously it's the sort of comment that you can take with a grain of salt since it's never going to be substantiated.

The same guy also described Inu as one of the least intelligent players he'd met in a long time, little more than the class clown, so maybe that would explain his inability to work out what he needed to do to get regular first grade time here. Given that Ivan seemed to favour an esoteric "He knows what he's done" approach, and Des Hasler has gotten results from him with a "This is what you need to do" tack, maybe that was one of the issues.

My mate was a good source for a lot of info, and told me Bluey was being told to fall on his sword a couple of weeks before his resignation, and never volunteered mindless gossip, so I trust his word. Sadly, I'm not in touch with him any longer.

 

[Far Away Fan]

He has just re-signed with us.

He has been poor in his last two outings (including one in the Vulcans).

But then he was pretty good in the first grade team.

Is there a kind of parallel with some Union players, in that they can be pretty ordinary in the Super 15 but always play out of their skins in the AB's. Ma'a Nonu is a very good example of this.

So we might have players that are hopeless in the Vulcans but always step up in first grade. Laumape? In which case, putting him or anyone like this in the Vulcans is pretty pointless.

The very act of putting a player there could easily be counter-productive, too.
"Hey you! Go and stand in the naughty corner!"

It's often the wrong medicine and good man management is what's needed. Inu fucked around, sure, but I'm guessing that under Des Hasler's management there's been none of that and instead of someone who made errors he got a star who performed like a star. On the cheap.

 

[gREVUS]

But then he was pretty good in the first grade team.

Is there a kind of parallel with some Union players, in that they can be pretty ordinary in the Super 15 but always play out of their skins in the AB's. Ma'a Nonu is a very good example of this.

So we might have players that are hopeless in the Vulcans but always step up in first grade. Laumape? In which case, putting him or anyone like this in the Vulcans is pretty pointless.

The very act of putting a player there could easily be counter-productive, too.
"Hey you! Go and stand in the naughty corner!"

It's often the wrong medicine and good man management is what's needed. Inu fucked around, sure, but I'm guessing that under Des Hasler's management there's been none of that and instead of someone who made errors he got a star who performed like a star. On the cheap.

Inus gone and the 2 coaches that he worked for are both gone as well. I don't see any parallel with Laumape or Hurrell. ME came out the other day and stated what and why he put Hurrell to the Vulcans. I am sure every coach tells players what they need to do when they get stood down. Most just wont come out and put it all in the media.

 

[Marshthedarsh]

I expected the Bulldogs to win easily last week, they kinda did - but they still won. This week Penrith are favourites, but I see no reason why we cant beat them. Penrith scored no points that second 40, and thats where our troubles are. We used to dominate that final 20, now it seems we are good in the second 20 or thereabouts.

For once I'm expecting a win here, however if Ivan is smart we know where all the heavy traffic will be coming *cough* Tupou... *cough* Carlos....