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Tragic

Tragic

I dont think Tevga has been too bad the last two weeks, he really stops their big guys with his legs tackles and he brings speed to our line. Problem is he comes on as a prop replacement and makes mistakes trying to play that role, thats not how he should be played. Reminds me of that skinny white hair dude used to play for St George 15 or 20 years back with his energy and effort, i admire the guy.
 
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The Falcon

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Hiku to have a wee break for Broncos game, otherwise the traffic coming down his side this week will be relentless.
Chris Satae needs to start in place if Gavet to get more from him. It then offers a better rotation option for the last 20 minutes of the match if a more experienced head is required.
You can’t help but feel there is something to like about having Vuna or The King on the bench to offer a point of difference in attack as our current back row are very conservative and defence orientated.
 
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It was our pack that had the biggest question mark this season, without Pulu and now Tohu Harris/Afoa we're going to struggle these next four rounds, blokes like Gavet need to fully comprehend how important it is to the team that they stand up every week from now on.

The Jazz experiment is no longer working, when fans look at the bench they see a half-cocked hooker/backrower/Prop two middle forwards and a back and think WTF, Kearney see's it different, yes in "theory" Jazz solves a few issues which allows Mooks to carry an outside back on the bench, an insurance policy against injury/HIA/form which generally I'm okay with, other coaches do it, it's not that unusual but it's not working for us at the moment.

Along with injury and as the season progresses opposition coaches are working out the weaknesses and Jazz is becoming less and less effective in the middle as a Back-rower/Prop and the reality is that's his core role with Luke playing 80 minutes every week which I assume is always going to be the plan.

Major problems arise when Ken, Fusitua and particularly Roger Tuivasa-Sheck aren't making as many yardage meters from the back like last Friday, you then look to see Jazz trying to plug a hole in the middle of the park for a lion share of bench minutes whilst one of your bigger middles with a huge motor (irony not lost) rides the pine for all but the final 20 minutes when the result has all but been determined, keep in mind we already have Blair, not a noted meterage forward and it almost starts to look like Kearney himself is wantonly applying the blow torch to his own side by throwing a player out there who will never really be dominant in the tackle or in carting the ball forward against the type of rushing defense we saw against the Panthers.

Just another thing about those minutes, Jazz is playing one 60 minute stint, that's a hell of a long time to have two small men (Luke included) in the middle of the park particularly at the back end of games when opposition starting props have freshened up and are returning for their second stints, it's a poor strategy because your'e essentially inviting opposition traffic towards tiring defenders, coaches have their more elusive or destructive outside backs queuing up to have a dig there too I've noticed.

Not saying it would've turned the tide but we would have benefited more by having Sao come on followed by Satae against the Panthers, their line speed/kick chase pressure wasn't allowing our back three to make their usual yardage meters out of the back field, we could've used Sao better I thought.

Without Bunty and Tohu Harris we need to go back to three legitimate forwards on the bench, bring in Lawton as hooker/backline cover start with Satae, even if he can only manage the first 15 minutes, our impact off the bench would improve by having Paasi and Sao coming on 10 minutes apart rather than Jazz coming on for rest of the game followed by Satae a handful of minutes before halftime.

Dunno what's happened with Gavet, he's indicative of how inconsistent our pack is, he needs to stop picking fights in tackle and get back to leaving bodies on the ground like he was last season, that's what he's paid for.

I worry that if Kearney doesn't make some tactical changes now it'll just be a rinse/repeat of last week against the Bronco's followed by the Storm.

We're down on troops in the forwards and against sides with a good kick chase our back three are less effective so time's come to bolster the bench and use those troops more effectively, minus a few of our heavy hitters there definitely needs to be change in that area.
 
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It was our pack that had the biggest question mark this season, without Pulu and now Tohu Harris/Afoa we're going to struggle these next four rounds, blokes like Gavet need to fully comprehend how important it is to the team that they stand up every week from now on.

The Jazz experiment is no longer working, when fans look at the bench they see a half-cocked hooker/backrower/Prop two middle forwards and a back and think WTF, Kearney see's it different, yes in "theory" Jazz solves a few issues which allows Mooks to carry an outside back on the bench, an insurance policy against injury/HIA/form which generally I'm okay with, other coaches do it, it's not that unusual but it's not working for us at the moment.

Along with injury and as the season progresses opposition coaches are working out the weaknesses and Jazz is becoming less and less effective in the middle as a Back-rower/Prop and the reality is that's his core role with Luke playing 80 minutes every week which I assume is always going to be the plan.

Major problems arise when Ken, Fusitua and particularly Roger Tuivasa-Sheck aren't making as many yardage meters from the back like last Friday, you then look to see Jazz trying to plug a hole in the middle of the park for a lion share of bench minutes whilst one of your bigger middles with a huge motor (irony not lost) rides the pine for all but the final 20 minutes when the result has all but been determined, keep in mind we already have Blair, not a noted meterage forward and it almost starts to look like Kearney himself is wantonly applying the blow torch to his own side by throwing a player out there who will never really be dominant in the tackle or in carting the ball forward against the type of rushing defense we saw against the Panthers.

Just another thing about those minutes, Jazz is playing one 60 minute stint, that's a hell of a long time to have two small men (Luke included) in the middle of the park particularly at the back end of games when opposition starting props have freshened up and are returning for their second stints, it's a poor strategy because your'e essentially inviting opposition traffic towards tiring defenders, coaches have their more elusive or destructive outside backs queuing up to have a dig there too I've noticed.

Not saying it would've turned the tide but we would have benefited more by having Sao come on followed by Satae against the Panthers, their line speed/kick chase pressure wasn't allowing our back three to make their usual yardage meters out of the back field, we could've used Sao better I thought.

Without Bunty and Tohu Harris we need to go back to three legitimate forwards on the bench, bring in Lawton as hooker/backline cover start with Satae, even if he can only manage the first 15 minutes, our impact off the bench would improve by having Paasi and Sao coming on 10 minutes apart rather than Jazz coming on for rest of the game followed by Satae a handful of minutes before halftime.

Dunno what's happened with Gavet, he's indicative of how inconsistent our pack is, he needs to stop picking fights in tackle and get back to leaving bodies on the ground like he was last season, that's what he's paid for.

I worry that if Kearney doesn't make some tactical changes now it'll just be a rinse/repeat of last week against the Bronco's followed by the Storm.

We're down on troops in the forwards and against sides with a good kick chase our back three are less effective so time's come to bolster the bench and use those troops more effectively, minus a few of our heavy hitters there definitely needs to be change in that area.
Great summary. Hope Mooks reads this... it would be real nice to know what's in his mind that perhaps we cannot see.
 
tajhay

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I know all warriors fans are deeply wounded right now, but i may as well announce it anyway....

Forum Banner bet is likely to be on again against our sister forum https://broncoshq.com/ . Losing sides forum has to change the banner to the victorious team's supporters forum.

Nashy morkel please get the banner for us organised already :(


early prototype by those bastards lol
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Sammyw11

1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
2. Fusitua
3. Beale
4. Kata
5. Maumalo
6. Green
7. Johnson
8. Satae
9. Luke
10. Paasi
11. Papalii
12. Mannering
13. Blair

14. Lawton
15. Gavet
16. Sipley
17. Vuna
18. Sao
19. Tevaga

we seemed to really struggle when paasi and gavet went off, we need to try and always keep one of them on. also not to mention paasi came off for tevaga, wtf is with that. sipley to give pure size and grunt off the bench, vuna as a specialist backrow option.
 
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AusWarriorsFan

1. RTS
2. Fusitua
3. Beale
4. Gelling
5. Maumalo
6. Johnson
7. Green
8. Papali'i
9. Luke
10. Blair
11. Pulu
12. Mannering
13. Paasi

Is Pulu returning this weekend? Or is that a G up? If so I took the bait.

Put your best team in the 13 and start them.

So Broncos now put us in last with a disgraceful for and against.

Season table is now starting to shape up closer to how the bookies and experts had it.

I think Raiders can still make the 8 but they have top 8 teams 7 out of 8 of their games with us being their last and I have a gut feeling it may end up being a decider for who makes the 8.

Maumolo looks awesome with the ball, Im over both Hiku and Kata, Hiku gone for good I hope, Kata needs to sit out rest of season in IPS or until needed. We need Kearney to quit this 20 coaches thing and start owning the job of Coach. Happy to have some halves specialist advice. But seriously it just hands off accountability.

He needs to role out the Offense playbook NOW. Every team on the weekend had amazing set plays and were scoring points off them from 60 metres out. Im tired of Kearneys one up style.

We need Johnson to take accountability as our highest paid match winner. Not expecting him to score a try every time he gets the ball, but passing the buck when interviewed is not good enough. Clearly shows hes in it for the $. I wish we had signed him on a 2 year deal not 3 so we could look at selling him early potentially if he doesnt pull his soaks up. It pains me to say as the Mrs reckons I have a man crush on him. He wasnt responsible for our loss on the weekend, he also didnt do it any favours and his words around taking ownership were so ambiguous its clear he thinks other people were more to blame, which is not what your supposed top play maker should be saying doing, although I think its pretty clear Roger Tuivasa-Sheck is a step above Johnson when it comes to NRL quality.
1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
2. Fusitua
3. Beale
4. Kata
5. Maumalo
6. Green
7. Johnson
8. Satae
9. Luke
10. Paasi
11. Papalii
12. Mannering
13. Blair

14. Lawton
15. Gavet
16. Sipley
17. Vuna
18. Sao
19. Tevaga

we seemed to really struggle when paasi and gavet went off, we need to try and always keep one of them on. also not to mention paasi came off for tevaga, wtf is with that. sipley to give pure size and grunt off the bench, vuna as a specialist backrow option.
 
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I am a logical person but I am also emotional as well. My "MBTI" tests show I am 60% logical and 40% emotion. Right now my emotions are raging at SK for some of his selections. But my logical side says wait until tomorrow to see what he does as there is no point in popping off at the moment until you see the team sheet.
I have said it three times already, but when I feel emotional I feel the need to repeat myself before I get it fully off my chest. Tommorow's team sheet will make my mind up about SK one way or the other and if it is a poor team sheet then I don't see us doing well next year either and we will have to wait for a new coach before we get a premiership in my opinion.

Thanks
 
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AusWarriorsFan

My problem with SK isnt so much Hiku or even keeping Kata just because he can tackle, its that he cant coach offense, or he is stifling the teams offense that they are learning. Its getting too late in the season for 5 hit ups and a kick. The teams around us are 10x that level of offense. Its time to unleash the team because this game could be a top 8 decider for us, which sounds silly with 3/8 needed, but its the warriors.
 
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Aman

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I think I’ll stop supporting this club if hiku and tevaga both get picked again. I’ll have a angry wank if only Tevga gets picked
 
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Boats n Hoes

Boats n Hoes

It was our pack that had the biggest question mark this season, without Pulu and now Tohu Harris/Afoa we're going to struggle these next four rounds, blokes like Gavet need to fully comprehend how important it is to the team that they stand up every week from now on.

The Jazz experiment is no longer working, when fans look at the bench they see a half-cocked hooker/backrower/Prop two middle forwards and a back and think WTF, Kearney see's it different, yes in "theory" Jazz solves a few issues which allows Mooks to carry an outside back on the bench, an insurance policy against injury/HIA/form which generally I'm okay with, other coaches do it, it's not that unusual but it's not working for us at the moment.

Along with injury and as the season progresses opposition coaches are working out the weaknesses and Jazz is becoming less and less effective in the middle as a Back-rower/Prop and the reality is that's his core role with Luke playing 80 minutes every week which I assume is always going to be the plan.

Major problems arise when Ken, Fusitua and particularly Roger Tuivasa-Sheck aren't making as many yardage meters from the back like last Friday, you then look to see Jazz trying to plug a hole in the middle of the park for a lion share of bench minutes whilst one of your bigger middles with a huge motor (irony not lost) rides the pine for all but the final 20 minutes when the result has all but been determined, keep in mind we already have Blair, not a noted meterage forward and it almost starts to look like Kearney himself is wantonly applying the blow torch to his own side by throwing a player out there who will never really be dominant in the tackle or in carting the ball forward against the type of rushing defense we saw against the Panthers.

Just another thing about those minutes, Jazz is playing one 60 minute stint, that's a hell of a long time to have two small men (Luke included) in the middle of the park particularly at the back end of games when opposition starting props have freshened up and are returning for their second stints, it's a poor strategy because your'e essentially inviting opposition traffic towards tiring defenders, coaches have their more elusive or destructive outside backs queuing up to have a dig there too I've noticed.

Not saying it would've turned the tide but we would have benefited more by having Sao come on followed by Satae against the Panthers, their line speed/kick chase pressure wasn't allowing our back three to make their usual yardage meters out of the back field, we could've used Sao better I thought.

Without Bunty and Tohu Harris we need to go back to three legitimate forwards on the bench, bring in Lawton as hooker/backline cover start with Satae, even if he can only manage the first 15 minutes, our impact off the bench would improve by having Paasi and Sao coming on 10 minutes apart rather than Jazz coming on for rest of the game followed by Satae a handful of minutes before halftime.

Dunno what's happened with Gavet, he's indicative of how inconsistent our pack is, he needs to stop picking fights in tackle and get back to leaving bodies on the ground like he was last season, that's what he's paid for.

I worry that if Kearney doesn't make some tactical changes now it'll just be a rinse/repeat of last week against the Bronco's followed by the Storm.

We're down on troops in the forwards and against sides with a good kick chase our back three are less effective so time's come to bolster the bench and use those troops more effectively, minus a few of our heavy hitters there definitely needs to be change in that area.

Frame this......send it to SK

says it all mate, top post.
 
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Aman

Aman

My problem with SK isnt so much Hiku or even keeping Kata just because he can tackle, its that he cant coach offense, or he is stifling the teams offense that they are learning. Its getting too late in the season for 5 hit ups and a kick. The teams around us are 10x that level of offense. Its time to unleash the team because this game could be a top 8 decider for us, which sounds silly with 3/8 needed, but its the warriors.

And this is probably the most potent attacking team in the comp. I don’t think we’ll ever have the likes of Luke, Shaun Johnson, Fusitua, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck all playing on the same team again. If we ain’t putting up 30ppg now we never will.
 
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My problem with SK isnt so much Hiku or even keeping Kata just because he can tackle, its that he cant coach offense, or he is stifling the teams offense that they are learning. Its getting too late in the season for 5 hit ups and a kick. The teams around us are 10x that level of offense. Its time to unleash the team because this game could be a top 8 decider for us, which sounds silly with 3/8 needed, but its the warriors.

I don't agree with any of this. Our conversion rate when we are in the red zone is better than most teams. Just that through a combination of our forwards not making many metres and the ref penalising us we are rarely in the red zone.
 
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And this is probably the most potent attacking team in the comp. I don’t think we’ll ever have the likes of Luke, Shaun Johnson, Fusitua, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck all playing on the same team again. If we ain’t putting up 30ppg now we never will.
Precisely. Our most potent offense ever, and likely will ever have and we play like a team with no offensively strong players, lets hit it up 5 times and kick it. wtf SK, cmon.

I think we are trying to game management the wins too much. Game management is great, but teams win with ease when they rely on a strong offensive playbook executed by a strong offense team. Cmon SK, release the Kraken or find a new home.
 

AusWarriorsFan

I don't agree with any of this. Our conversion rate when we are in the red zone is better than most teams. Just that through a combination of our forwards not making many metres and the ref penalising us we are rarely in the red zone.
No, its because we dont have a playbook to get us to the 20. You cant rely on penlaties to get to the 20. And if you are placing your entire win rate on the 20, you really arent going to win many games.

Conversion of the 20 isnt a mark of your offensive ability or how good your offensive playbook is. How many long range tries have we scored this year? prob less than Melb scored in 1 game.

We have gone wide and Fusitua is the try scoring leader. We have put up a lot of good bombs for Fusitua, hes converted. Green has passed some really deft passes to players like Papali'i 3metres out from the line back on the reverse angle. Thats the 20 metre conversion. And thats the problem we rely all our offense on it.
 
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Boats n Hoes

Boats n Hoes

And this is probably the most potent attacking team in the comp. I don’t think we’ll ever have the likes of Luke, Shaun Johnson, Fusitua, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck all playing on the same team again. If we ain’t putting up 30ppg now we never will.

Ran 800 less metres than the Panthers!
62 missed tackles!
Penrith had 8 players run over 100m, we had 2....and neither of them we're forwards.
First half we had just 3 times we played the ball in the Panther's 20.....3!

Don't care who you have in your team your going to struggle to put on any points let alone 30 with that sort of foundation.

Fairly obvious what the problem is and it aint bloody "offensive playbook" or "sell our 3 centres" gobblygook.
 
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Unfortunately we need Lisone, did I just say that, dammit yes he is the nearest thing to Bunty we have. Very disappointed with Satae, submitted too easily and Gavets tall lean sluggish runs are of no benefit. Blair needs to get back to 13 missed his 2nd phase in middle and Simon go to the edge if we dont have anyone else. Hiku back to the Marlins, it's over for him in the NRL.
 
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