General Pick Your Team 2016 Rnd 8 - Storm vs Warriors

Do you want Tuimoala Lolohea returned to the wing or stay in the halves?

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Makasene

Makasene

People need to take "long term" out of their argument because while I don't disagree with the thought, it's just not relevant in a situation where a coach doesn't have a long term without wins and a team is well in contention to make the 8 barely a quarter into a season. The moment we start chosing long term over right now is the moment we've eseentially given up. How fickle is that? Even without Roger Tuivasa-Sheck we still have a better team than we did last year where we were well in contention for the 8. If the Warriors took the "long term" mentality above all else they would essentially be saying "we give up this year", Imagine this place if they came out and said that.

1. Lolohea
6. TL
7. Shaun Johnson
9. Luke

That's the best option for experience, stability and the potential to win games now. If we were to throw in unknown factors we'd be hoping to get lucky more than anything else. Not saying it couldn't work, but it would be a much bigger gamble.


Absolutely - For a side who has won 43 of the 103 games since the 2011 Grand Final - Winning games is much more important that long term.

They looked long term last year by not playing Tomkins in the halves when Shaun Johnson went down - Many felt they probably gave up last year after Shaun Johnson's injury.
 
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Deranged

Deranged

Sad thing is the women love him. Not kidding mate ask a few women and they get all excited when he comes on.
"Head injury Halligan" the ladies man, surely not. I think you are hanging out with the wrong kind of woman.
 
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Miket12

Miket12

No second chance for Locke, with Lolohea at FB.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11624984

The Warriors will stay in-house to cover for Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, and have ruled out giving Kevin Locke a second chance at the club.

Assistant coach Justin Morgan indicated to RadioSport's the Crowd Goes Wild Breakfast that Tui Lolohea would initially cover the fullback role, with Thomas Leuluai remaining alongside Shaun Johnson in the halves.

Lolohea, who started the season on the wing, had to shift from the halves to fullback when Tuivasa-Sheck was injured late in the first quarter during the win over the Bulldogs in Wellington.

Tuivasa-Sheck has been ruled out for the season with an ACL injury, a bitter blow for the club as Morgan acknowledged. It led to speculation that Locke, an itinerant and troubled figure, could be given an Auckland lifeline.

Morgan said: "No it's not going to be one for us - I'm pretty sure that is not an option.

"The salary cap is tight and what we've got is what we've got. Tui had one of his strongest games at fullback.

"His game naturally suits that - he's a runner, he can swing either side of the field, so we've got a pretty good replacement there.

"And Thomas is quite suited to playing on the left hand side - he plays very directly which will help Ryan Hoffman.

"We've just got to get on with it - we can't kiss the seasons goodbye just because we've had a couple of injuries."

Morgan said the loss of Tuivasa-Sheck could also open the door for one of the younger players such as fullback Henare Wells rather than turning back the clock with Locke.

The 27-year-old Locke, who played 88 games for the Warriors up until 2014, has been linked with the Dragons, who also rescued the career of prop Russell Packer who was jailed for assault.
One of Locke's biggest supporters at the club was Iro but, because he burned some many bridges when he left, I've got more chance of receiving a phone call from Iro or JD than Knobby has.
 
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Run_it_str8

Run_it_str8

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck will be back in round 24 with enough time to build into the team's finals run ;):cool::cool::cool::cool:

The prospect of Tui at fb and TL with Shaun Johnson in the halves is a great one.

I'd just like to see a settled lineup over the next 6 - 10 rounds.

No more injuries please universe.
 
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Defence

Defence

It's exactly what depth is for but Tui is higher in the pecking order for fullback depth. As someone mentioned earlier, having two running halves is a luxury, having a gun fullback is a necessity. Wells and CNK barely shred reserve grade, let alone them being thrown in the deep end to fill Roger Tuivasa-Sheck's boots.

Why risk bringing them in now when TL at 6 and Tui at 1 is proven (the latter somewhat).

Just because the Warriors sign fullbacks like Wells and Klokstad, doesn't mean they're guaranteed depth options for first grade. Having a winning reserve grade side is a business in it's own, and strengthening that team / winning the comp is just as much of a priority for the club.

All this talk of bringing Wells or CNK into first grade is silly. Not now, the time is not right. These guys are not tearing up reserve grade enough for it to even look like they could come up and deliver.

Johnson is just starting to find form. It's no secret that he comes back from every Kiwi vs Kangaroo game better than ever because he's running on the back of the best forwards in the comp in Bromwich / Mutts / Proctor / Taupau / etc. Leuluai's set play and passing is on point. He didn't miss the target at all and the amount of talking he does on the field, backed by his solid 1:1 defending is exactly what the team needs to move forward.

- Lolohea is in the best form of his career. The way he's been playing, it's only going to get better. Let's have him at fullback so he can make the decision on the last whether he hits a center/winger or runs it to the line should he see opputunity.
- Johnson is finding form, Saturday's kicking was on point and when he split the center and made that break, it looked like his speed was back to 100%. He had to slow down for Fusitua and Ayshford

The biggest obstacle for Warriors now is going to be belief. If there is no belief they can go forward without Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, then we're going to have the same outcome as the Johnson injury last year. If the boys are confident Tui can fill in his shoes, and they string some wins together, in a few weeks Roger Tuivasa-Sheck being out for the season won't even be in convo on these forums.

Ask yourself this. From all the interviews and player talk I've seen, all the players know Tui is in the form of his career. For this mental barrier. it'd be easier for them to trust that they can move forward with someone as skilled as him in the back. If someone like Wells is put in their, that same confidence from the team just won't be there, there'd be just as many unknowns from the team as their would be from us fans.

We KNOW Tui can be dangerous, break the line, step, run hard, ball play. We DON'T know if Wells or CNK can do that at FG level, considering they aren't destroying teams at a RG level.

Remember back in the day Fish was scoring 3 tries a game, making breaks at will, and lightning fast runaways. If one of those guys were doing that week to week and it was coming on our radards I'd say awesome, let's consider them as wing options, then gradually give them the task to prove himself at Fullback.

In short, they're not acceptable depth options at this time, and most importantly, I'm confident the coaching staff share my views :)

I was sort of on the fence about where to play tui but this post just makes too much sense- I gotta agree.
I will say that while an all kiwi spine sounds great in theory we need to remember 2 of them are still on the road back from severe season ending injuries so it's probably not quite as flash as it sounds on paper.
Still our best option tho tbf.
 
Navigator

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Roger Tuivasa-Sheck will be back in round 24 with enough time to build into the team's finals run ;):cool::cool::cool::cool:

The prospect of Tui at fb and TL with Shaun Johnson in the halves is a great one.

I'd just like to see a settled lineup over the next 6 - 10 rounds.

No more injuries please universe.
Jinx us why don't ya....lol

we just need to apply to the nrl for a 8 man bench then we can have WELLS, CNK And Lane and all the others.
can't we just say that they are apprentices and have to be on field to follow the trades men around.
Just a thought......:woot:
 
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Jinx us why don't ya....lol

we just need to apply to the nrl for a 8 man bench then we can have WELLS, CNK And Lane and all the others.
can't we just say that they are apprentices and have to be on field to follow the trades men around.
Just a thought......:woot:


To run with that for a minute...

Why can't the 8 interchannges come from an extended bench?

I would be in favour of reducing the interchange to 6 but extending the bench to 6 also,

I would all but eliminate the issues with foul play injuries etc?
 
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Jay M

Jay M

To run with that for a minute...

Why can't the 8 interchannges come from an extended bench?

I would be in favour of reducing the interchange to 6 but extending the bench to 6 also,

I would all but eliminate the issues with foul play injuries etc?

remember the old days where you had your 4 man interchange bench, and 18th and 19th men available for injuries? really useful for the likes of foul play injuries etc.
 
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remember the old days where you had your 4 man interchange bench, and 18th and 19th men available for injuries? really useful for the likes of foul play injuries etc.
Similar to what Newcastle coach brown was saying.
They lost 3 players against the Broncos due to concussion.
 
Gen. Melchett

Gen. Melchett

Alot of good posts this week, everyone has there opinion and it makes some good reading, imo they should give Wells a shot at FB, he needs some experience in FG its a great opportunity for him to show what hes got, leave lolohea in the halves he probably should have started season there imo. TL is just coming back from a blown knee also, abit of a risk putting him in halves, if he goes down again we back to square one in halve combos. Hes better coming off bench. Less disruption to the team this way if you bring in someone to fill FB, we need some consistency in team selections.
 
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Jay M

Jay M

Similar to what Newcastle coach brown was saying.
They lost 3 players against the Broncos due to concussion.

it also brings in a different element to coaching too... because do you pick your 18th and 19th best players and have them sitting there without game time all season? or do you have them playing in the reserves getting game time and form...
 
Run_it_str8

Run_it_str8

Alot of good posts this week, everyone has there opinion and it makes some good reading, imo they should give Wells a shot at FB, he needs some experience in FG its a great opportunity for him to show what hes got, leave lolohea in the halves he probably should have started season there imo. TL is just coming back from a blown knee also, abit of a risk putting him in halves, if he goes down again we back to square one in halve combos. Hes better coming off bench. Less disruption to the team this way if you bring in someone to fill FB, we need some consistency in team selections.

I like your thinking but haven't heard enough about Wells current form. Have seen a YouTube video of him in 2013 newtown jets.

I like the idea of Tui at 6 with Lulu eye on the bench. Then if Wells gets injured Tui could drop back and Lulu could play 6.
 
Run_it_str8

Run_it_str8

Similar to what Newcastle coach brown was saying.
They lost 3 players against the Broncos due to concussion.

it also brings in a different element to coaching too... because do you pick your 18th and 19th best players and have them sitting there without game time all season? or do you have them playing in the reserves getting game time and form...

Didn'tit used to be that they would play reserve grade then get called up for first grade if needed?
 
way2sharp

way2sharp

Tui made team of the week on NRL.com

1. Tuimoala Lolohea (Warriors)

Lolohea played the final 65 minutes at fullback for the Warriors in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck's absence and ended with seven tackle busts, a try and an assist in his team's win over the Bulldogs.
 
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Sup42

Sup42

Everyone should just stop throwing out names like CNK and Wells, it's pretty much set in stone Lolohea will be 1 and TL to 6.

No point speculating.

This is Tui's year, he's getting better game by game. Obviously in a perfect world we've have Saturday's spine for the rest of the year, but we need to live with the fact that Tui has the fullback spot now.

In fairness to him as well, he's just as good as Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.

Roger is more powerful hitting the line / will make more metres, but Tui has a better eye for opportunity and better play making abilities. He's a natural talent. I think the fastest in the team over 100 too if that means anything.

I'm as gutted as anyone about this news, I was seriously not expecting this, but I still haven't written our chances off knowing an in-form Tui is a straight swap.
Yep gotta agree with you too.

It is that part of the year Where you have to look at what you have in hand, rather than the bird in the bush.

TL is a half they use to fill in at hooker.
They still have Tevanga if people want some variance at dummy half.

Lolohea is an NRL Utility back with a halves background.

On evidence in hand, removing speculation, that is what you actually have.

Then you factor in losing players, putting Lolohea at half, marginalises TL's overall contribution as a specialist....that scenario is a waste of one player.

Once you lose an Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, you have to find a way to bring in as much experience in specialist positions as you can get away with.

On the one brief showing last week where Tui slotted to fb, there was a phase where we ran the out the backdoor play, Tui gets there late....which saw his time cut down....he gets the ball and tackled at the same time.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was starting to look useful ala Tompkins with that play (the late pass at the line), if someone like Tui gets caught, it just reminds you that it is not as simple as having a good draw and pass....timing is a major issue at the Warriors.

A Junior fb convert wouldn't likely fare to well out there either.

All is not lost. TL and Johnson looked good together last week, they have had career phases where they engineered winning periods for the Warriors as a combo.

We have a better hooker now, and a fb that looks a bit like a Lance Hohaia scenario (can win you games, can play well in the attack, is a bit of an uncertainty in defence).

Wells and CNK should be coming off the rank behind Allwood as far as the outside backs pecking order goes in any case....they are well down the ideal list.
 
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DavidMcKay1974

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It's just gotta be the shock of hearing Roger Tuivasa-Sheck gone for the season that made the forum go dumb nuts for a few hours, oh Roger Tuivasa-Sheck gone - that's our season gone. Bullshit.

Bullshit to what Joey Johns said as well about Roger Tuivasa-Sheck gone and so are the Warriors.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck is Roger Tuivasa-Sheck he plays at fullback, he's a gun, and he's awesome, but he can be replaced, most likely be Tui, which I don't want because he needs his time to be with Shaun Johnson in the halves, but that combination will happen again next year when Roger Tuivasa-Sheck is back.

Now had it been Johnson going down again like last year, then yes I think we would be back in the shitter again, but Johnson is healthy, and he needs to be playing the senior player, let Tommy play his link game, and let Johnson do the rest like he did on Saturday.

If we lose Johnson early in the season, and touch wood we don't we could recover, Round 20 last year was too late to recover. It's only week 8 this week.

We can still make the finals providing we beat Melbourne this week and go 4-4, we need two more wins in the next two games to go 6-4 and I'll breathe a little easier stats wise. But if we go 5-5 we might squeek into the finals, but I don't have confidence if we go 4-6 after 10 rounds.

Like I said the shock must be over now, given people time to digest it, and make relevant perceptions, it's not the season gone, far from it. We've lost Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, I'm disappointed for him, but let's move on. Time to stand up Tui.
 
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mt.wellington

mt.wellington

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With Tommy admitting only last week that he wasnt up to 80 minutes is Jeff Robson a chance of coming back until Leuluai gets enough match fitness? Ol Robbo seems to have been forgotten by most.

1. Tuimoala Lolohea
2. Jonathan Wright
3. Blake Lyon
4. Solomone Kata
5. Manu Vatuvei / David Fusitua
6. Jeff Robson
7. Shaun Johnson
8. Sam Lisone
9. Isaac Luke
10. Ben Matulino
11. Bodene Thompson
12. Ryan Hoffman
13. Simon Mannering

14. Thomas Leuluai
15. Jacob Lillyman
16. Charlie Gubb
17. Ligi Sao

Bar bringing in Manu Vatuvei if he's fit theres only two changes in the team that beat the Bulldogs.

Forget about Henare Slater. The hype on him at the moment is ridiculous. Plays no better at fullback than David Fusitua but has the frame of Sam Tomkins. No thanks...
 
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Billyspleen75

Billyspleen75

1. Tui
2. Fusitua/Wright
3. Mr Perfect
4. Kata
5. Fusitua/Manu
6. Leuluai
7. Shaun Johnson
8. Lisone (Keep him and Matulino starting to hit the ground running)
9. Luke
10. Matulino
11. Brodene
12. Hoff
13. Mannering

14. Tevaga
15. Lillyman
16. Sao/Lane
17. Vete/Lane
 
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