General NRL Salary Cap Thread

wizards rage

wizards rage

Ongoing issue for the past 10 years... make the teams publish the salary list publically and the problem would vanish almost overnight
 
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dean

Tax isn't a police issue, it could be something like an employee of a company fraudulently diverting funds to a club for payer payments.

No, but it is a criminal offense, just handled by the IRD, including their own prosecutors.
 
wizards rage

wizards rage

They won’t publish the brown envelopes and any fraud mate, that’s the point

Agree but it becomes more obvious when the players are being paid below their market values... when it’s exposed the player can’t say they didn’t understand what their salary was or how it was made up, like currently exists

It becomes even more obvious when whole hen houses are paid below market value...

Public scrutiny help keeps people honest
 
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razzrillinger

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From the Mole, so take it with a grain of salt :

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/the-mo...problems/ab513aff-1705-40d7-b0c3-253bc7d06815

Who will Storm palm off?

The Storm have major salary cap problems leading into the new season and are attempting to offload three players to England before the start of the new season next month.

In a bid to balance the books, the club has told Super League clubs that giant prop Sam Kasiano, utility back Cheyse Blair and Tongan international Patrick Kaufusi are all available.

The re-signing of skipper Cameron Smith on huge dollars, as well as the retention of star players Nelson Asofa-Solomona, Jahrome Hughes, Felise Kaufusi and Curtis Scott, has left the Storm in a pickle.

A couple of English clubs have shown interest in the trio, but so far no deals have been done.


If the Storm can’t offload at least two of the three before the new season comes around, it will make life very difficult for their accountants.





I wouldn't mind Kasiano or Kaufusi at the right prices.
 
Rizzah

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How Shane Flanagan brought Sharks to its knees with cap rorts
MARCH 23, 2019

Shane Flanagan made one fatal mistake that plunged the Cronulla Sharks into a million-dollar salary cap scandal and cost him his job.
The now deregistered coach sent a confidential spreadsheet of undisclosed player payments from his own private Bigpond account to his Sharks email address on June 3, 2017.
It was a moment of self-destruction, and the smoking gun at the centre of the NRL’s investigation.
The spreadsheet was originally in an email from another person connected to the club.
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Former Sharks Coach Shane Flanagan was the man who brought the Sharks down with one single email.

It reveals hundreds of thousands of dollars of unapproved third-party agreements, including cash payments, to seven of his star players who had won the premiership the previous season.
The Sunday Telegraph has obtained the secret document that left the 2016 premiers facing a crippling salary cap crisis and $1 million in fines.
It is the first evidence that Flanagan had knowledge of the additional payments to players.
Porn shop king Con Ange was found among the data base of around 20 third party providers.
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Luke Lewis was illegally paid $200,000 outside the cap. There is no suggestion any players knew or were involved in the salary cap breaches.

The Sunday Telegraph can also today reveal the names of the players affected by the scandal — Luke Lewis, James Maloney, Wade Graham, Valentine Holmes, Josh Dugan, Jack Bird and Chris Heighington. Holmes, Maloney, Bird, Lewis and Heighington have since left the club.
The Sharks committed $200,000 to Lewis between 2013 and 2016 in payments not disclosed on his playing contract. Another $80,000 went to Bird.
Some of the money was paid to their managers in cash, in amounts of up to $25,000.
There is no suggestion that any of the players or their managers were aware that the payments contravened salary cap rules.
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Jack Bird was illegally paid $80,000 outside the cap.
There is no suggestion any players knew or were involved in the salary cap breaches.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg reveals in a letter to the Sharks that the hidden payments were uncovered by integrity unit investigators from the Sharks’ internet server, which contained the email Flanagan sent to himself while he was the team’s coach.
Flanagan sent himself the email 12 months before the Sharks salary cap rorts were exposed. Otherwise it may not have been detected. Other copies were kept on private email accounts.
Until then the NRL knew only of $75,000 in undisclosed payments that had been self-reported by chief executive Barry Russell.
Cronulla Sharks salaries in 2017.
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Cronulla Sharks salaries in 2018.
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Cronulla Sharks salaries in 2019.
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Cronulla Sharks projected salaries in 2020 and 2021.
All up, the NRL investigation identified $993,000 of financial commitments by the club to the players that were not included in contracts registered with the NRL.
The spreadsheet on Flanagan’s email was compiled by a company called Connection 2 Sport.
The managing director, Luke Edmonds, started the company when he resigned from his role at the Sharks as its sponsorship manager. Edmonds has denied any wrongdoing.
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The document detailing the salary cap breaches.

The NRL says Connection 2 Sport was established with the knowledge of the Sharks board and executive, yet no action has been taken against their CEO Lyall Gorman, who now works at Manly. Gorman has denied any wrong doing
“Edmonds and Connection 2 Sport were from its inception the primary drivers for the sourcing of third party agreements for the Sharks playing roster,” Greenberg writes in his letter.
“Edmonds would provide hospitality and an ‘inner sanctum’ experience for actual and potential third party agreement providers.”
Under NRL salary cap rules, it is illegal for club officials to facilitate or have any involvement in third-party deals.
The Sharks declined to comment.

 
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snake77

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You have to love how that email or letter from Greenberg to the Chairman of the Sharks is marked as confidential but still makes it out to the media to be published for the public to read. It happens often.

I still think they got off lightly for how long things were going on for and with the talk of expansion or relocation through financial pressure it would of been a good time for the NRL to place some pressure on the Sharks. I know that's not an ideal way to do business but it has been discussed as their plans moving forward.
 
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They need to tidy up the third party payments.
It appears to be the easiest thing to scam in order to cheat the cap.
 
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matiunz

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And how lightly did the Sharks get off?
  • no points deducted.
  • no serious handicaps to discourage future cheating.
  • they kept their premiership because they randomly decided to play fair on that year only... honest
  • did not lose any players they wanted to keep
  • were able to sign star pkayers

No wonder Melbourne is pissed.
 
gREVUS

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And how lightly did the Sharks get off?
  • no points deducted.
  • no serious handicaps to discourage future cheating.
  • they kept their premiership because they randomly decided to play fair on that year only... honest
  • did not lose any players they wanted to keep
  • were able to sign star pkayers
No wonder Melbourne is pissed.
This blatantly shows that they bought a title and yet still they get to keep their title. Once again the sharks, get out of Jail card in use.
 
gREVUS

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This blatantly shows that they bought a title and yet still they get to keep their title. Once again the sharks, get out of Jail card in use.
And remember this year they are still playing games with the cap. They were over the cap at the start of the year. They had to get rid of their most recent hire. So they hired someone to fire, just to keep Shaun Johnson, who otherwise would have been out on his ear.
 
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wizards rage

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Deliberate cheating. Glad the coach is gone and the players are named even though ‘they were unaware’ it was a breach.

In my mind Cronulla’s premiership is tainted now. This and the peptides show a definate pattern over the last decade.

If the NRL wanted to show leadership they should have used the opportunity to cripple the club for the next few years rather than sweep it under the carpet. They can’t complain when the players misbehave when this is the NRL’s message around following rules...
 
Tragic

Tragic

The players didn't know - another Tui billboard. I think even if you get paid well you notice when that much money gets deposited in your account.
Did the agents at the Sharks get done? At the Storm the agents for Smith, Slater and Inglis got banned if I remember rightly.
 
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You have to love how that email or letter from Greenberg to the Chairman of the Sharks is marked as confidential but still makes it out to the media to be published for the public to read. It happens often.

I still think they got off lightly for how long things were going on for and with the talk of expansion or relocation through financial pressure it would of been a good time for the NRL to place some pressure on the Sharks. I know that's not an ideal way to do business but it has been discussed as their plans moving forward.

It just adds to the shit deal we get. They can use illegal substances and cheat the cap and have it swept under the carpet.

You can't tell me that Lewis didn't know that he was getting $200,000 that was not in his contract. Fark I know if I have $20 too much in the bank.

I'm sure when Flanno rigged it all that it would be imperative to make sure the concerned parties didn't tell anyone.

But I don't think it was Flanno's idea alone. Something this elaborate can't be kept secret with so many names involved. Typical corporate crisis management: play down the impact, narrow the blame to as few people as possible and make everyone else look like victims.

Cam Smith's request to re-instate their premiership because the players didn't know, shows how unaware they are of how corrupt they all are.
 
Sup42

Sup42

Hopefully all this pandering to Sharks fans (the clubs a wreck off the field) is to soften the blow for when the NRL relocates them.

I'd say they would give their premiership back in a heartbeat to prevent relocation, hopefully thats the price they pay.
 
snake77

snake77

NRL going after the player managers. Yeah heard that before. A song I listen to has the lyric "I don't trust words, I trust actions" sums up how I feel about the NRL vs the player managers. I'll believe it when they finally do take action against them.

NRL integrity unit to investigate role of player agents in Cronulla salary cap rort

The NRL integrity unit will investigate the role players agents may have played in the Cronulla salary cap rort after further details of undisclosed payments were revealed.

New accreditation rules implemented this year allow the NRL to appropriately punish agents who are found to have knowingly played a part in contravening the salary cap.

The changes were made in the wake of a string of cap scandals which have rocked the game but, for the first time, The Sydney Morning Herald understands the new power the governing body boasts could be put to use in the near future.

With the investigation into the full extent of Cronulla's cap rort now complete, it's understood the integrity unit's attention will now turn to the role played by agents in a scheme which delivered almost A$1 million (NZ$1.03m) in illegal payments to Sharks players.

Some of those payments were reportedly paid to agents in cash and the integrity unit will now seek to decipher whether the managers receiving those payments knew the Sharks were rorting the system.

"The NRL and RLPA now have more power to impose sanctions for breaches by agents," an NRL spokesman said. "The priority was to deal with clubs' role in the breach but now that this has been completed the question of the role played by agents will also be reviewed."

Punishing agents for their involvement in a salary cap scandal would be breaking new ground for the game.

Briefs against 11 managers were prepared in the wake of the Parramatta scandal in 2016 but while five Eels were officials de-registered, no action was taken against agents.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg first flagged agents being placed under the microscope when the change to the agent accreditation scheme was announced in August last year.

"In the past, the NRL has had no powers in relation to agents and this has led to unsatisfactory outcomes in several cases," he said. "Agents acting professionally have nothing to fear from the revised scheme but it will give us the scope to deal appropriately with those who do not act in the best interests of the players and the game."

There is no suggestion any Cronulla players knew of the rort, which dates back to 2013.

Former Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan was deregistered last December for having contact with the club during his suspension in 2014 over the peptides scandal and resigned in January before the NRL finalised salary cap sanctions for the club.

News Corp reported on Sunday that Flanagan sent a spreadsheet of undisclosed payments from his personal email account to his Sharks account in 2017. The Sydney Morning Herald attempted to contact Flanagan on Sunday.

Cronulla Sharks captain Paul Gallen talks to Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

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Cronulla Sharks captain Paul Gallen talks to Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
"I'm unaware of Flanno's role in it, to be honest," Cronulla captain Paul Gallen said on Nine's Sunday Footy Show. "Flanno was a guy that was a major part of a successful part in my career. I like him, personally, but unfortunately, he has been embroiled in it all.

"He is out of the game for an indefinite amount of time and as a club and as a playing group, all we can do is move on."

Gallen has previously expressed frustration that players had to answer for clubs' salary cap transgressions.

"This is what frustrates me about situations like this and situations before that we have had at the club," he said. "It's not my job as a player to go and ask how much you earn, or whether you get a third party, or where you get it from him - that's not my job. It's the administration's job to do it."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/leagu...-of-player-agents-in-cronulla-salary-cap-rort
 

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