General NRL General Manager Game - Wheel and Deal to the best team

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Given it is pre-June 30 aren’t any players effectively up for a trade? Doing away with only being able to trade players off contract at the end of 2020 would make it a lot more interesting
 
Defence

Defence

Given it is pre-June 30 aren’t any players effectively up for a trade? Doing away with only being able to trade players off contract at the end of 2020 would make it a lot more interesting

I was under the impression all players are up for trades but only off contact ones can be bought (or re-signed).
I’m sure wrighty will clear it all up.
 
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I was under the impression all players are up for trades but only off contact ones can be bought (or re-signed).
I’m sure wrighty will clear it all up.
Defence is basically correct.
Think of Pool A as the off contract players at the end of the 2020 season
Pool B is the players with contracts extending into 2021 and beyond
Pool C is players who are those with contracts with a new team in 2021 e.g Tino F is going to the Titans from the Storm.

Pool A - you will recruit these guys by bidding for them through some type of informal auction process. What ever you successfully bid will be deducted from your available salary cap.
Contestants can also re-sign a guy. Eg the Warriors can re-sign Blake Green but that will cost the salary cap appropriately for his acquisition to a longer term contract of 2021 and beyond. The Warriors will only need to resign Blake green if someone tries to acquire him away from the Warriors.

Pool B - you will recruit these cu**s by trading for them. All trades must be fair trades as confirmed by another neutral contestant not involved in the trade. If we confirm it is a fair trade then we will ASSUME the salaries are roughly the same and there will be no change to your available salary cap.

The hardest example is Pool C. Let me know if I need to explain further.
Will explain with an example. If we get a contestant for the Titans, that general manager can use their salary cap space and spend the appropriate chunk of it to bring Tino over a year early and have him join the squad now.
Titans GM can also trade away their rights to Tino to another contestant and that contestant will have to spend part of their salary cap to get Tino to play for them this year. Remember only your starting line up for the hypothetical season restart in the assumed 4 weeks from now will count. It would not help you to trade for Tino and then not "upgrade him" for this season is what I am saying.

Sounds complex? I can make it sound worse if I tried! Haha - read it twice and it should be clear.

There are few academic issues with how the salary cap timing works by season...but don't overthink things.
Edit - Basically any new signing or re-signing will either increase this years or next years salary expenses and to keep things simple will assume that either increase in forecasted expense ie 2021 or 2020 will reduce the effective cap you have to play with. Probably better if I hadn't have typed out that salary cap explanation I imagine! Clear as mud? LOL.

Read again and then ask questions.
 
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See my edit Defence and Warriors - I made it after you generously liked the post above :)
 
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Defence is basically correct.
Think of Pool A as the off contract players at the end of the 2020 season
Pool B is the players with contracts extending into 2021 and beyond
Pool C is players who are those with contracts with a new team in 2021 e.g Tino F is going to the Titans from the Storm.

Pool A - you will recruit these guys by bidding for them through some type of informal auction process. What ever you successfully bid will be deducted from your available salary cap.
Contestants can also re-sign a guy. Eg the Warriors can re-sign Blake Green but that will cost the salary cap appropriately for his acquisition to a longer term contract of 2021 and beyond. The Warriors will only need to resign Blake green if someone tries to acquire him away from the Warriors.

Pool B - you will recruit these cu**s by trading for them. All trades must be fair trades as confirmed by another neutral contestant not involved in the trade. If we confirm it is a fair trade then we will ASSUME the salaries are roughly the same and there will be no change to your available salary cap.

The hardest example is Pool C. Let me know if I need to explain further.
Will explain with an example. If we get a contestant for the Titans, that general manager can use their salary cap space and spend the appropriate chunk of it to bring Tino over a year early and have him join the squad now.
Titans GM can also trade away their rights to Tino to another contestant and that contestant will have to spend part of their salary cap to get Tino to play for them this year. Remember only your starting line up for the hypothetical season restart in the assumed 4 weeks from now will count. It would not help you to trade for Tino and then not "upgrade him" for this season is what I am saying.

Sounds complex? I can make it sound worse if I tried! Haha - read it twice and it should be clear.

There are few academic issues with how the salary cap timing works by season...but don't overthink things.
Edit - Basically any new signing or re-signing will either increase this years or next years salary expenses and to keep things simple will assume that either increase in forecasted expense ie 2021 or 2020 will reduce the effective cap you have to play with. Probably better if I hadn't have typed out that salary cap explanation I imagine! Clear as mud? LOL.

Read again and then ask questions.
So just clarifying, is Tino at the storm this year? Can the storm trade him or is it the Titans recruit to trade?

Because if our game is for the 2020 season, he is currently a player in the Storm squad. If he was traded by the storm this year would the Titans get compensation for future years?

Complex situations. Can you shed some light?
 
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Another rule I am close to finalising but still drafting is the auction process for a Pool A player.

The auction will begin when anyone approaches Isaac Moses with an $$$'s offer for a Pool A player.
Isaac will tell you he will think about it and get back to you in X hours (thinking of making this 48 hours). Other people may notice your bid and also make a bid.
To add some fun to it - along with your bid you may list 3 soft factors why the Pool A player should come to your team e.g. you have Wayne Bennett as a coach. Isaac will decide who gets the player 80% based on the $'s and 20% based on the soft factors.
This means that lower ranked teams with stink coaches like SK will have to bid overs for players to have a competitive bid much like how the real life recruitment process works.

The position of Isaac Moses is a very important one for the game. And hopefully a helpful person who wants to be involved in the game but not necessarily run a team will volunteer soon.

Isaac Moses will also have other powers. He will have connections in the super league. And if the Warriors want to ship out Gerard Beale to the super league to free up a top 30 spot. You will need to negotiate that with Isaac to see if it is possible and what the rammifications are. There may be some rules developed around this.

Please sign up if you would like to be Isaac Moses in the game. It is a power role and a very important position.
 

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So just clarifying, is Tino at the storm this year? Can the storm trade him or is it the Titans recruit to trade?

because as the season is for 2020, this year he would be a storm player?
His 2021 rights belong to the Titans. And the Titans alone. Right now we don't have a Titans constestant so for the time being he will remain in your Storm squad no matter what until we get a Titans constestant.

If we get a Titans contestant and they choose to upgrade Tino they will get him a year early. They will need to give up part of their salary cap to do so.

I am thinking this through as I type it technically you should be able make a counter bid and use some of your salary cap to keep him if you outbid Titans. Don't know though.

Perhaps in the first instance if the Titans take him you should get a compensation player of lesser standing. I havn't thought that through then because then every acquired player would require a compensation player if that makes sense.

What is your feedback Wizards. Is this issue problematic.

In answer to your question. You would not be able to trade away a Pool C player even if he is signed up to you this year. You can also not trade away a Pool A player that is signed up to you this year.
 
tajhay

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Can we select teams after their cap position has been finalised? Im happy to sidestep from team management and act as trade commissioner/agent type role if people are ok with that.
 
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His 2021 rights belong to the Titans. And the Titans alone. Right now we don't have a Titans constestant so for the time being he will remain in your Storm squad no matter what until we get a Titans constestant.

If we get a Titans contestant and they choose to upgrade Tino they will get him a year early. They will need to give up part of their salary cap to do so.

I am thinking this through as I type it technically you should be able make a counter bid and use some of your salary cap to keep him if you outbid Titans. Don't know though.

Perhaps in the first instance if the Titans take him you should get a compensation player of lesser standing. I havn't thought that through then because then every acquired player would require a compensation player if that makes sense.

What is your feedback Wizards. Is this issue problematic.

In answer to your question. You would not be able to trade away a Pool C player even if he is signed up to you this year. You can also not trade away a Pool A player that is signed up to you this year.
Just clarifying - And taking a step back is the objective to have the best 2020 team or 2021 team?

If we include transfers for next year, in the Tino case the Titans have 31 in their squad and the storm 29. Other players are the same.

Those teams that have been active early will have bigger squads and those teams that will sign players later in the year will start with smaller squads to start the game.

Happy with whatever the ruling is
 
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Just clarifying - And taking a step back is the objective to have the best 2020 team or 2021 team?

If we include transfers for next year, in the Tino case the Titans have 31 in their squad and the storm 29. Other players are the same.

Those teams that have been active early will have bigger squads and those teams that will sign players later in the year will start with smaller squads to start the game.

Happy with whatever the ruling is
I am not sure I understand what you really think Wizards be sure to be direct with me -

The goal is the have the best 2020 squad - Titans will have to find a way to get their squad down from 31 to 30 to accommodate Tino so will have to wheel and deal.
If the storm end up with 29 instead of thirty that is not a material concern.
Even if you have 2-3 type C players poached from you and end up with 27 or 26 players that won't stop you from naming 17 guys.

It might "impact" your ability to name the name the best 17 however if Tino and or other Pool C players were very much in your plans - hence I am open to suggestions to ameliorate the impact on the Storm and other teams in your situation.

Bear in mind you are likely to better in this game, Tino, notwithstanding, than the GM for the Titans as you have more quality players to work trades with than the Titans GM even if you do have to accept some pitfalls and downsides such as potentially losing Tino

Let me know your feedback - and let me know if you have some compromises or ameliorations you can suggest.

Cheers
 
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I am not sure I understand what you really think Wizards be sure to be direct with me -

The goal is the have the best 2020 squad - Titans will have to find a way to get their squad down from 31 to 30 to accommodate Tino so will have to wheel and deal.
If the storm end up with 29 instead of thirty that is not a material concern.
Even if you have 2-3 type C players poached from you and end up with 27 or 26 players that won't stop you from naming 17 guys.

It might "impact" your ability to name the name the best 17 however if Tino and or other Pool C players were very much in your plans - hence I am open to suggestions to ameliorate the impact on the Storm and other teams in your situation.

Bear in mind you are likely to better in this game, Tino, notwithstanding, than the GM for the Titans as you have more quality players to work trades with than the Titans GM even if you do have to accept some pitfalls and downsides such as potentially losing Tino

Let me know your feedback - and let me know if you have some compromises or ameliorations you can suggest.

Cheers
Just trying to understand.

Storm has a 30 man squad now. Less Tino who has already signed with the Titans. They therefore have a 29 man squad to start the game but the same salary cap to spend.

The Titans have a 30 man squad but have signed Tino. They therefore have 31 players to start our game (2 more than the storm) but the same cap figure.

The Titans would have more assets and a valuable squad to start the game due to extra players at the start with still an equal cap? The Titans can effectively sell 2 players for half a million, now have an equal size squad to the Storm and start with that significant financial advantage.

Josh Ado-Carr is a similar situation and there will be other teams the same situation having more or less players to start.

Is this how it works or am I looking at it wrong?

Maybe I will just play the game and see how it all unfolds
 
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Can we select teams after their cap position has been finalised? Im happy to sidestep from team management and act as trade commissioner/agent type role if people are ok with that.
I will mull on your offer Tajhay thanks for that.

In the first instance it would be nice to have a dedicated person to being Isaac Moses/trade commissioner to ensure complete neutrality. It is a very important role and one which the person will have a lot of decisions to make. I may also add some other elements to the mix of their role to make it even more colourful.

If you are out there and thinking of volunteering to be Isaac Moses please sign up!
 
warriors55

warriors55

See my edit Defence and Warriors - I made it after you generously liked the post above :)

One thing I wanted me inquire about Wrighty is the 3rd party verification about a fair trade.

Shouldn't it be a part of the game to try and get a trade which benefits you more than the other player and to try and assess the value yourself?
 

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Just trying to understand.

Storm has a 30 man squad now. Less Tino who has already signed with the Titans. They therefore have a 29 man squad to start the game but the same salary cap to spend.

The Titans have a 30 man squad but have signed Tino. They therefore have 31 players to start our game (2 more than the storm) but the same cap figure.

The Titans would have more assets and a valuable squad to start the game due to extra players at the start with still an equal cap? The Titans can effectively sell 2 players for half a million, now have an equal size squad to the Storm and start with that significant financial advantage.

Josh Ado-Carr is a similar situation and there will be other teams the same situation having more or less players to start.

Is this how it works or am I looking at it wrong?

Maybe I will just play the game and see how it all unfolds
I will give you a reply after dinner...the simplicity of my game means if you 31 or 29 of 28 players there is no tie in to the available salary cap you have. Even though there would be a tie in real life.

I watch the chase every night on TV to relax Wizards as it is mindless fun, so will watch that then explain to you in detail after 7pm

Cheers for your inquiry as to how it works.
 

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One thing I wanted me inquire about Wrighty is the 3rd party verification about a fair trade.

Shouldn't it be a part of the game to try and get a trade which benefits you more than the other player and to try and assess the value yourself?
If Wizards snorts crack cocaine prior to coming online one night and agrees to trade Cam Smith for Peta Hiku this does more than fuck over his own chances of winning. It basically assures that I will win as the warriors for getting and pulling off such a once sided trade.
So in essence one sided crack cocaine induced trades fuck up everybody and ruin the whole game as a fair contest for those not involved in trade.
Hence all trades must be approved as being a fair value trade.

If Sharks and Titans do a trade one of the rest of us must approve and confirm the trade as fair. In a way you are all partly moderating this game so take your responsibility seriously and don't confirm a trade unless it is fair.
Fair means relatively fair as opposed to perfectly fair.

Sorry for using your name in vain Wizards :)
 
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If Wizards snorts crack cocaine prior to coming online one night and agrees to trade Cam Smith for Peta Hiku this does more than fuck over his own chances of winning. It basically assures that I will win as the warriors for getting and pulling off such a once sided trade.
So in essence one sided crack cocaine induced trades fuck up everybody and ruin the whole game as a fair contest for those not involved in trade.
Hence all trades must be approved as being a fair value trade.

If Sharks and Titans do a trade one of the rest of us must approve and confirm the trade as fair. In a way you are all partly moderating this game so take your responsibility seriously and don't confirm a trade unless it is fair.
Fair means relatively fair as opposed to perfectly fair.

Sorry for using your name in vain Wizards :)
I really wanted Hiku and was considering putting Smith up to get him... guess I shouldn’t now 😋
 
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I think with the pool C players (tino for example) the club who has already signed them (titans in this case) should get the opportunity to either honor that deal (with a value that Moses agrees to which will then come off their cap) or they can renege in which case the player goes back into pool A with the rest of the uncontracted players.
Probably pay to get the pool C players out of the way before the comp starts proper so there’s less confusion.
That way you’re either a pool A player who is uncontracted and u can make an offer on or a pool B who is contracted but can be traded for.
 
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If Wizards snorts crack cocaine prior to coming online one night and agrees to trade Cam Smith for Peta Hiku this does more than fuck over his own chances of winning. It basically assures that I will win as the warriors for getting and pulling off such a once sided trade.
So in essence one sided crack cocaine induced trades fuck up everybody and ruin the whole game as a fair contest for those not involved in trade.
Hence all trades must be approved as being a fair value trade.

If Sharks and Titans do a trade one of the rest of us must approve and confirm the trade as fair. In a way you are all partly moderating this game so take your responsibility seriously and don't confirm a trade unless it is fair.
Fair means relatively fair as opposed to perfectly fair.

Sorry for using your name in vain Wizards :)

Good point Wrighty, I didn't consider that an unfair trade by one person could affect everybody else.
 

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