General NRL General Manager Final Results Voting and Discussion

wrighty

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Sorry Manly,feel the same way as Eudebrito.
But your additions are awesome and you chose well.
Manly are welcome to choose a conservative minimal trade strategy though if they wish.

There were two prizes described at the start

1) The best team at the end. Teams like the storm and other elite teams can conceivably win this by just not losing any key assets and tinkering around the edges.

2) Most improved team. Anyone can win this. But it is easier for a lower ranked team to improved usually - it takes many trades and transactions.

When I first invented the rules 8 years ago toyed with the idea of only having a most improved award - or making that the main award -as I figured the goal should be to make as many improvements as possible.
However in cricket general manager you have teams like Australia and it is hard for them to grow so I put in the second "best team" award so the elite teams can compete with each other and have more modest maintenance and growth aspirations.

Some extra context for the awards.
 
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Yes ,finally get a mention.
Not by name.
But two in the funniest trades.
No longer feel left out.
Thank you Wrighty😂🤣😂🎅
I am nominating you Weno for an extra award.

Most knowledgeable trader. Your knowledge of the fringe players was incredible. At one point the trade commissioner was stumped about one of your acquisitions and who he was.

Well done Weno you were a great player.
 
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Weno

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Here's Cody's highlight reel. His tries are ordinary. But the footage of his passing game is very strong if not elite half level, He creates shape for his team the way he distributes the pill.

When I looked at the 2019 stats he was right up there for line break and try assists. He is a good distributor. Or at least he was in 2019.


I am nominating you Weno for an extra award.

Most knowledgeable trader. Your knowledge of the fringe players was incredible. At one point the trade commissioner was stumped about one of your acquisitions and who he was.

Well done Weno you were a great player.
Thank you Wrighty, that is so cool.

Remember posting that I get footage sent to me from Qld Cup and NSW Cup from relatives who put my young nephews on show.
So we get to see more than what is shown on sky,guess that's why I put up Jamayne Tounua-Brown.
Saw a bit of him.
 
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Manly are welcome to choose a conservative minimal trade strategy though if they wish.

There were two prizes described at the start

1) The best team at the end. Teams like the storm and other elite teams can conceivably win this by just not losing any key assets and tinkering around the edges.

2) Most improved team. Anyone can win this. But it is easier for a lower ranked team to improved usually - it takes many trades and transactions.

When I first invented the rules 8 years ago toyed with the idea of only having a most improved award - or making that the main award -as I figured the goal should be to make as many improvements as possible.
However in cricket general manager you have teams like Australia and it is hard for them to grow so I put in the second "best team" award so the elite teams can compete with each other and have more modest maintenance and growth aspirations.

Some extra context for the awards.
Understand, Manly didnt need much change.
Benji was a genius buy.
Guess it would if been a bit boring if we had the Storm or Roosters
 
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wrighty

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This was way more fun that the initial wall of rules would have you believe, more players would be good, but more players and the commisioner might have thrown in the towel with the amount of bids!

We had 9 – 12 would probably be good, 3/4s of the comp.

Had two choices - one was just to describe the game very minimally and not get into detail.
That was my initial approach and on that basis ten people signed up.
Those GMs then wanted details so they could plan for how to play and construct a strategy. As soon as posted the detail it became quite scary and some people thought of dropping out.

Also wanted 12 people as the sweet spot. I PM'd 5 guys who had all been spectators and making comments during the earlier draft games but they all declined my recruitment drive possibly because the wall of rules were intimidating. Am just guessing there.

In the end having 9 GMs who were all active made it a ton of fun and seem like the perfect number.

The other problem with the wall of rules is that needed to talk about them to fine tune them so couldn't avoid the detail.

Kept on saying all along though. once you get underway the rules are very simple, straightforward, and intuitive, which think you all would agree with now.

:) Enjoyed your feedback. Thanks
 
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Mr Brownstone

Here are my thoughts on the other teams:

Warriors
This is unquestionably a vastly improved side from what wrighty started with. CNK had a massive 2019 and, while perhaps not in the top tier of elite fullbacks, he can hold his own against any side. Curtis Scott is a quality centre while the Warriors have gone from the slowest half in the comp in Green to one of the best running halves in Cody Walker. Townsend is an upgrade however I thought he was disappointing last season and is the antithesis of a clutch play specialist. I’m actually not sold on the forward pack. McLean hasn’t been overly dominant since departing the Storm while I expect Ben Murdoch-Masila to be a disappointment when he rejoins the NRL. Granville has been shit for two seasons (sorry wrighty I sold you the dummy on that trade) and I don’t rate Ese’ese at lock. The bench is also a bit blah, with a rookie and three fringe first graders.

Sea Eagles
With Turbo, Jurbo, DCE and the two tanks at prop, I’ve thought for a couple of seasons that the Sea Eagles are very close to being serious contenders. With signings like Benji and Brett Morris, warriors55 has gone some way towards making Manly even more potent, however I’m not convinced by the combo of Coen Hess & Sironen in the second row and whileTurpin shows a lot of promise he isn’t in that top tier of hookers. Manly’s biggest problem has been their lack of depth across their squad and I think that this probably limited warriors55 a bit in his ability to trade in more guns across the course of the week.

Raiders
Well what can I say - wizards rage got off to a shocker, regrouped, and then devised the most unique recruitment strategy in history. I knew something was up when I managed to grab Whitehead & Papalii (JJJosh no less) off him for McGuire. Mansour & Asiata - someone with such obvious insight in normal circumstances would never have suggested such a trade. However, beyond a lockdown induced breakdown, I couldn’t work out what his game plan was. The reality is that this team of J’s would make the 8 and potentially still be a contender.

Dragons
I love the forward pack that PullinTeeth has assembled here. The hard nosed nucleus of the existing Dragons pack is taken to another level by the addition of the brilliant Cam Murray, while Cooper also brings some pace despite ageing legs. One thing I’d suggest however is that Murray is a much better lock than edge forward and Cooper much better suited to an edge. Unfortunately I can’t get that positive on the backline. Williams is untested at NRL level and Foran has stunk it up for half a decade. Whare is a strong defender however lacks flair, this version of the Morris twins is well past his best and Dugan tried his best to be medically retired during the off season - that either points to his body being fucked, his attitude being fucked, or most likely a combination of both. The positive is out wide where there is some blistering pace.

Sharks
I commented early in the week that I thought the Sharks were possibly favourites and following a lot of trading, nothing has really changed my view. Shaun Johnson and Hunt‘s skill sets are hugely complimentary and this is the best halves combo across the teams. There is pace across the centres and wings while a fit Moylan (a rare thing) presents danger to opposing sides. For mine the forward pack is all about Graham and Kikau, brilliant players. Perhaps controversially, I don’t rate Bromwich in the top tier of props in the game, while Blair and Passi are weak points within the side. However the bench is awesome and far stronger than the other sides.

Panthers
Nathan Cleary is perhaps the only true star of this team, however that doesn’t mean it isn’t a strong one. Simonson and To’o are future stars and while Norman and Roberts can both run cold, they can also run very hot as well. The front row is strong and Weno wisely held on to his hugely underrated back rowers Yeo and JFH... but why why why did you trade out Kikau to the devious Defence ? The bench has grunt although I’m not entirely sold on Luai or Sipley.

Knights
This side has great balance with the brilliant Ponga at the back, a strong and complimentary halves combo of Pearce and Milford, Fitzgibbon running great lines in the second row, grunt up front in Klemmer and Fifita and the experienced Jake Friend controlling the ruck. I also think Horsburgh has a high ceiling of potential. There are however pockets of weakness - wings and centres are no better than average while Guerra and the bench are either getting on in age or just a bit underwhelming. Still I think the pluses easily outweigh the negatives and this team has top 8 written all over it.

Rabbits
Wow! Latrell in the halves!! I’m not sure what to make of that however if it works then this team could win the comp. the backline is dynamite with one of the best organising halves in the comp in Reynolds, Latrell, the very underrated but excellent Burns, possibly the most exciting rookie back in the comp in Crichton and of course the one and only (and 3rd best fullback In the NRL) Roger Tuivasa-Sheck. In the forwards you have the best running hooker in the NRL, Cook, and one of the hardest working, Arrow, combining with a strong second row of Sims and Nikora. What’s not to like!

My verdict (excl. my Cowboys)
Grand final between Sharks and Rabbits with Shaun Johnson combining with Xerri for the win on the final play.

Most improved team - Knights

Most innovative team - Raiders

Most astute trader - Defence
 
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Defence

Defence

My verdict (excl. my Cowboys)
Grand final between Sharks and Rabbits with Shaun Johnson combining with Xerri for the win on the final play.

This game highlighted for me how few players I would actually trade Shaun Johnson for. For all his faults there is a lot of upside.
Within this game only can smith or turbo could’ve got him away from me.
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Pearce and dce would’ve been tempting but I didn’t really want to trade any actual sharks players unless it was a definite upgrade.
 
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Mr Brownstone

This game highlighted for me how few players I would actually trade Shaun Johnson for. For all his faults there is a lot of upside.
Within this game only can smith or turbo could’ve got him away from me.
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Pearce and dce would’ve been tempting but I didn’t really want to trade any actual sharks players unless it was a definite upgrade.
I thought the very top tier were Turbo, Shaun Johnson, DCE and Cleary amongst the backs and Smith, Lolo, Papa and Cook in the forwards. Still can’t believe that fuck knuckle Cameron George thought it was sensible to bag Shaun Johnson to the media.
 
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wrighty

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Here are my thoughts on the other teams:

Warriors
This is unquestionably a vastly improved side from what wrighty started with. CNK had a massive 2019 and, while perhaps not in the top tier of elite fullbacks, he can hold his own against any side. Curtis Scott is a quality centre while the Warriors have gone from the slowest half in the comp in Green to one of the best running halves in Cody Walker. Townsend is an upgrade however I thought he was disappointing last season and is the antithesis of a clutch play specialist. I’m actually not sold on the forward pack. McLean hasn’t been overly dominant since departing the Storm while I expect Ben Murdoch-Masila to be a disappointment when he rejoins the NRL. Granville has been shit for two seasons (sorry wrighty I sold you the dummy on that trade) and I don’t rate Ese’ese at lock. The bench is also a bit blah, with a rookie and three fringe first graders.

Sea Eagles
With Turbo, Jurbo, DCE and the two tanks at prop, I’ve thought for a couple of seasons that the Sea Eagles are very close to being serious contenders. With signings like Benji and Brett Morris, warriors55 has gone some way towards making Manly even more potent, however I’m not convinced by the combo of Coen Hess & Sironen in the second row and whileTurpin shows a lot of promise he isn’t in that top tier of hookers. Manly’s biggest problem has been their lack of depth across their squad and I think that this probably limited warriors55 a bit in his ability to trade in more guns across the course of the week.

Raiders
Well what can I say - wizards rage got off to a shocker, regrouped, and then devised the most unique recruitment strategy in history. I knew something was up when I managed to grab Whitehead & Papalii (JJJosh no less) off him for McGuire. Mansour & Asiata - someone with such obvious insight in normal circumstances would never have suggested such a trade. However, beyond a lockdown induced breakdown, I couldn’t work out what his game plan was. The reality is that this team of J’s would make the 8 and potentially still be a contender.

Dragons
I love the forward pack that PullinTeeth has assembled here. The hard nosed nucleus of the existing Dragons pack is taken to another level by the addition of the brilliant Cam Murray, while Cooper also brings some pace despite ageing legs. One thing I’d suggest however is that Murray is a much better lock than edge forward and Cooper much better suited to an edge. Unfortunately I can’t get that positive on the backline. Williams is untested at NRL level and Foran has stunk it up for half a decade. Whare is a strong defender however lacks flair, this version of the Morris twins is well past his best and Dugan tried his best to be medically retired during the off season - that either points to his body being fucked, his attitude being fucked, or most likely a combination of both. The positive is out wide where there is some blistering pace.

Sharks
I commented early in the week that I thought the Sharks were possibly favourites and following a lot of trading, nothing has really changed my view. Shaun Johnson and Hunt‘s skill sets are hugely complimentary and this is the best halves combo across the teams. There is pace across the centres and wings while a fit Moylan (a rare thing) presents danger to opposing sides. For mine the forward pack is all about Graham and Kikau, brilliant players. Perhaps controversially, I don’t rate Bromwich in the top tier of props in the game, while Blair and Passi are weak points within the side. However the bench is awesome and far stronger than the other sides.

Panthers
Nathan Cleary is perhaps the only true star of this team, however that doesn’t mean it isn’t a strong one. Simonson and To’o are future stars and while Norman and Roberts can both run cold, they can also run very hot as well. The front row is strong and Weno wisely held on to his hugely underrated back rowers Yeo and JFH... but why why why did you trade out Kikau to the devious Defence ? The bench has grunt although I’m not entirely sold on Luai or Sipley.

Knights
This side has great balance with the brilliant Ponga at the back, a strong and complimentary halves combo of Pearce and Milford, Fitzgibbon running great lines in the second row, grunt up front in Klemmer and Fifita and the experienced Jake Friend controlling the ruck. I also think Horsburgh has a high ceiling of potential. There are however pockets of weakness - wings and centres are no better than average while Guerra and the bench are either getting on in age or just a bit underwhelming. Still I think the pluses easily outweigh the negatives and this team has top 8 written all over it.

Rabbits
Wow! Latrell in the halves!! I’m not sure what to make of that however if it works then this team could win the comp. the backline is dynamite with one of the best organising halves in the comp in Reynolds, Latrell, the very underrated but excellent Burns, possibly the most exciting rookie back in the comp in Crichton and of course the one and only (and 3rd best fullback In the NRL) Roger Tuivasa-Sheck. In the forwards you have the best running hooker in the NRL, Cook, and one of the hardest working, Arrow, combining with a strong second row of Sims and Nikora. What’s not to like!

My verdict (excl. my Cowboys)
Grand final between Sharks and Rabbits with Shaun Johnson combining with Xerri for the win on the final play.

Most improved team - Knights

Most innovative team - Raiders

Most astute trader - Defence
Happy enough with the Warriors evaluation except for two points

An out of sortsJake Granville would get the Warriors around better than Egan or Lawton. The trade was still an upgrade for me and although I gave up E Katoa to get Granville, Katoa has only played two games and it gained me a starter for a bench guy.

Secondly regarding my bench having three fringe first graders...Josh Kerr is not a fringe first grader by any means. I forked out $450,000 for him to Sir Isaac and wasn't trading him away for anybody. This year will be his break through season. He also showed as a star in the making at the nines competition. He is a massive 6 foot 5 agile prop forward. And there are very few props who are both 6 foot 5 and also fleet of foot and agile. Probably only he came to mind. I have massive raps on Josh Kerr and was thrilled St George didn't counter my bid for him. The other nuance to my answer is that my strategy was to have a strong 13, and a very strong 14 guy off the bench, but that I wasn't going to really put much effort into my players 15-17. You simply can't have great players from 1 to 17 and I wanted to focus on my starting 13.

Finally finally, I am high on all my forwards. Mclean is a better prop than what I started with. I wanted him more than James Graham who is past it, and Tamou who is 33 now and just starting to play like a journeyman. I knew Bromwich would be over priced so avoided that bid war.
Esse'see is also a player I personally rate. He is apprarently a weak defender but really turned up for the Knights and put his body on the line last year from a hit ups point of view. And that is a view that learned by scouring the Knights fan forum when the warriors were targeting him as a recruit.
Hope you are wrong about Ben Murdoch-Masila being a dud for all our sakes as Warriors fans.

Cheers - loved your feedback.
 
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Regarding the nomination of Defence as most astute trader: Happy with that.

He seemed to more quickly understand the game than some of the other GMs and this put him on the front foot early.

He offered me a deal I was happy with and would make again of Chad Townsend and Jack Williams for Nikorima and Paasi. The deal was a win win and he didn't need Townsend as his extra half.

As the weeks and months go by the "Woods for Kikau trade" will become more infamous and regarded as something of a rort. So I don't know if that example adds to his astute award or loses him some brownie points.
 
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Most improved probably has to go to the cowboys considering their starting team list. Signing King Cam will do that

Sorry Manly, I see basically the same team with an old Brett Morris and Jake Turpin added in.

Knights would get my vote as best on paper, all that really matters is spine and go forward and they have both, sneaking Milford capped them off.

I had Morris, Turpin, Benji, Hess, Capewell, Welch and Taunoa-Brown as new recruits.

In my starting team I had new players - Morris, Turpin, Benji and Hess which is more than the 2 players you mentioned.
 
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Most improved probably has to go to the cowboys considering their starting team list. Signing King Cam will do that

Sorry Manly, I see basically the same team with an old Brett Morris and Jake Turpin added in.

Knights would get my vote as best on paper, all that really matters is spine and go forward and they have both, sneaking Milford capped them off.

Sorry guys I have been occupied with work today.

Will try and give a run down of my team. I had a clear strategy from the start. I had a decent team with a couple of weaknesses and not many good players on the bench and the wider squad. I knew I needed to make some good purchases with my relatively small war chest. Firstly I saw Walker at 6 and moved him to centre which is his best position. I then targeted a better half, hooker and wing and got Benji, Morris and Turpin. Then I needed to make a small number of smart trades. I always wanted Morris and Garrick (partly because he is a good goalkicker) on the wings and planned to shop Garrick around knowing there would not being many takers and if there was (Wrighty nearly wanted him) that would have been fine. At the same time I did not shop Taufua around as I wanted to build up his value. The trade I did with Canberra for Taufua and Thompson for Hess and Welch was perfect as I could get a good prop for my bench while losing a player that I did not need in Taufua. Getting Capewell and Taunoa-Brown without losing anyone critical was a bonus. The only part that could have gone better was getting Nikorima for my bench which nearly happened but not quite. I was really happy with how my team turned out. Because of the structure of my starting squad my strategy was to add a few key additions so there are no weaknesses anywhere while keeping as many elite players as possible rather than making lots of trades which I would be keen to explore next time. I wanted to have the best possible team at the end and knew I couldn't do it by trading willy nilly because of the squad I had. My fringe squad players had very little value.

I really enjoyed trading with you guys. Canberra's news articles were always enjoyable and the Warriors newspaper reply was one of the funniest things I have read for a while :)

Will post my run down of the other teams later today.
 
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PullinTeeth

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St George Illawarra Dragons

After having to lose Frizzel for 700k then having to pay 600k for Evan's, I decided that age, injuries and mental problems wouldnt be an issue in my team.

My backline is pretty much a make up of players I've loved watching play and what could of been
Duggan's always a beast on field until he pulls up lame
Cotric will be a main stay in the Aussie and NSW teams for the next decade,pace and power
Fidow was just a throw away trade but thought of the saying that there's no substitute for pace, so he gets a start
Whare and Morris will have their knockers but you'll be hard pressed to find faults in their game (please refer to my 1st paragaph), Morris is still the starting NSW origin centre.
William's and Foran, would agree not the strongest halves pairing with an unknown quantity in William's, but I love Forans mongrel.

Actually love my forward pack
Cant find fault in my front row
Vaughn, Kangaroo and NSW origin starting prop
McInnis, Mr consistant who's help this team together
Graham no nonsense prop who lays the platfom
My dream second row
Frizzel and Murray, will be NSW and Kangaroo reps for years
Cooper, moved him to do the grunt work in the middle, wont let a team down

My interchange
Went for size
Mago, big big boy who will be in a Kiwi jumper by the end of next year.
Evan's, another big body who does his job.
Merrin, middle forward with an offload
Lomax, big raps on this kid, strong and speedy outside back who I expect big things of this year.

Will post more soon, just having to spend time with the missus WTF
 
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Some reflections on the rules:

Am happy enough with the $1.4M plus 125K calculation
The other alternative could have been $2M plus 100K but I think that would have put too much money in circulation.

Am pleased with the rule of no money compensation in trades. There were plenty of trades to be had, and ,money would have disadvantaged the teams not involved in the trade.

Despite some controversy pleased we ended free agency bidding on Sunday night. Would have been chaos otherwise.

My major unresolved issue for next time is the length of the rules. Even though in my mind once you know them they are easy peesy. Scared off people from signing up.

Overall this was the most successful edition ever of general manager. The addition of free agency bidding turned out brilliantly. It was super fun to be given a war chest and to be completely in control of how you spent it. Sir Isaac exceeded my wildest dreams for how he played his role. Hope Sir Isaac does post the bidding PMs in this thread. That would be a fantastic read.
 
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My major unresolved issue for next time is the length of the rules. Even though in my mind once you know them they are easy peesy. Scared off people from signing up.
I would recommend starting with a very basic rundown, get people signed up then announce the full rules in blocks - ie how to purchase; how to trade, etc. Easier to take in.

Am happy enough with the $1.4M plus 125K calculation
The other alternative could have been $2M plus 100K but I think that would have put too much money in circulation.
I think the money allocation was good, but what got me was the market didn’t reflect reality. The price of Smith and Bromwich was astronomical. I had plans of getting a $800k star and 2x 3decent mid level players and the pricing killed that as there wasn’t enough quality players to choose - I ended up with a bench prop and a few fill ins.

On reflection I would consider allowing buying anyone in the non GM teams to create a bigger pool and put all players in the game. The more you can purchase and the more top level players in the game the better.

The other inter related issue was the loss of players - it is a random event that can kill a squad and I would still consider the team losing the player gets compensated by the same amount as it frees up cap to sign a replacement - again I lost 2 top starting team players and got a bench player.

I think the war chest should be to increase your squad size, create an abundance of first grade players and to allow plentiful trades to happen.

I will do a round up later, still catching up up stuff after overcommitting to this game 😆
 
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I will do a round up later, still catching up up stuff after overcommitting to this game 😆

LOL. At this comment. I am a bit tired today from the epic adventure.

Good idea about releasing the rules in blocks at a time. The way the rules were released this time was sub optimal.
 
tajhay

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Good game boys. You all did well and made the game what it was. I'll do a writeup prob Monday when I got time. Thank you wrighty for organising and all the GMs for participating.
 
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Defence

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I thought the very top tier were Turbo, Shaun Johnson, DCE and Cleary amongst the backs and Smith, Lolo, Papa and Cook in the forwards. Still can’t believe that fuck knuckle Cameron George thought it was sensible to bag Shaun Johnson to the media.

Forgot about cleary.
Not a big cook fan- bit off a one trick pony- mind u it is a hell of a trick and he’s lethal when his pack dominates but when the boots on the other foot (ie aust v Tonga) he’s kinda neutralized and just becomes a target in the line.
Good player but I’d have him behind smith and even hodgson.
 
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Some reflections on the rules:

Am happy enough with the $1.4M plus 125K calculation
The other alternative could have been $2M plus 100K but I think that would have put too much money in circulation.

Am pleased with the rule of no money compensation in trades. There were plenty of trades to be had, and ,money would have disadvantaged the teams not involved in the trade.

Despite some controversy pleased we ended free agency bidding on Sunday night. Would have been chaos otherwise.

My major unresolved issue for next time is the length of the rules. Even though in my mind once you know them they are easy peesy. Scared off people from signing up.

Overall this was the most successful edition ever of general manager. The addition of free agency bidding turned out brilliantly. It was super fun to be given a war chest and to be completely in control of how you spent it. Sir Isaac exceeded my wildest dreams for how he played his role. Hope Sir Isaac does post the bidding PMs in this thread. That would be a fantastic read.

As soon as u mentioned the 1.4m I thought it was a bit high- doing the maths in my head it seemed there would be more money than talent and big overs would be required which is why I had no hesitation forking out a million for bromwhich.
In the end I don’t think it was too far off the Mark- maybe a 1M allowance would be the sweet spot.
 
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Forgot about cleary.
Not a big cook fan- bit off a one trick pony- mind u it is a hell of a trick and he’s lethal when his pack dominates but when the boots on the other foot (ie aust v Tonga) he’s kinda neutralized and just becomes a target in the line.
Good player but I’d have him behind smith and even hodgson.
I forgot about Hodgson, superb hooker!
 
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