General NRL Expansion

What is the ideal number of teams?


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Mr Dragon

Mr Dragon

I don't see how this proposed expansion can be fair when you have 9 Sydney Clubs having no travel, while the other 9 are in constant travel in a triangle from Townsville to Melbourne to Auckland.
It's all about making money for the NRL
 
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kabkram

Have no problem with expansion I actually think its a good thing. Can live with a conference style round robin but seriously feel the Sydney clubs/conference should operate with a salary cap 10-15% lower than the rest. My reasoning being in a 25 game season a Sydney team will only face 4-5 games away from Sydney probably a grand total 10-12 nights not spent in their own beds. Compare that to the 30-50 nights the Warriors will have to spend away and you start to see a clear bias. Then we get to the tranfer market (e.g.Adam Reynolds) and the ability to change clubs without changing cities, a huge advantage.
In fact maybe they should be operating on a 20% smaller cap.
 
Rizzah

Rizzah

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I don't see how this proposed expansion can be fair when you have 9 Sydney Clubs having no travel, while the other 9 are in constant travel in a triangle from Townsville to Melbourne to Auckland.
The regional teams already travel every second week, so what will change?
I don't mind the idea. but I don't like the split conference finals, should be top 4 from each conference stacked into the current 8 team finals system.

If the comp is heading this way, even more reason to pile the cash into a top class development system.
 
Gizzyfan

Gizzyfan

Have no problem with expansion I actually think its a good thing. Can live with a conference style round robin but seriously feel the Sydney clubs/conference should operate with a salary cap 10-15% lower than the rest. My reasoning being in a 25 game season a Sydney team will only face 4-5 games away from Sydney probably a grand total 10-12 nights not spent in their own beds. Compare that to the 30-50 nights the Warriors will have to spend away and you start to see a clear bias. Then we get to the tranfer market (e.g.Adam Reynolds) and the ability to change clubs without changing cities, a huge advantage.
In fact maybe they should be operating on a 20% smaller cap.

All 9 will be brought under the Roosters sombrero
 
The Falcon

The Falcon

Paul Kent raised a good point on NRL 360 about a conference system of Sydney teams and Regional in that 2 Sydney teams could never meet in a GF. I think conference is the way but how that is drafted will be important to keep the integrity of the comp.
Interesting about the talk of a 2nd NZ team in expansion discussions. I would have thought another Queensland team would take off quicker but if it was NZ surely it would need to be another Auckland based side to succeed.
 
Miket12

Miket12

NRL: Warriors coach Nathan Brown backs expansion plans to include second New Zealand team​


Warriors coach Nathan Brown has cautiously backed the NRL's expansion plans, which include a second franchise in New Zealand and a conference system, as long as the emphasis is put squarely on player development.

Brown said while there were a lot of details to be ironed out – including perceived advantages for Sydney clubs in the proposed new model – it could only be good for the game.

After the announcement of a $26.6 million loss for 2020 last week, which was a better financial result that anticipated, NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo put the expansion idea firmly back on the agenda this week.

Abdo's first priority is a second Brisbane team, but it wouldn't stop there.

"Moving to 17 teams wouldn't be an end point. It gets you closer to 18 teams and obviously 18 teams gives you a few different options," he told NRL.com.

"An 18th team allows you to think about what we might want to do about expanding in New Zealand. Having two teams in New Zealand creates a tribalism and a new rivalry in New Zealand."

Abdo also mooted the idea of splitting the NRL into two groups, similar to the NBA's Western and Eastern Conference.

"It gives you options around pools because you can have two pools of nine teams. As you see with some of the big US sports, as you grow your competition and the scale of the number of teams, you can create a dynamic around who plays who and ultimately create more rivalries in regional areas and have competitions within competitions."

According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the model would see the nine Sydney teams grouped in one pool (and play each other twice), with the three Queensland clubs, Warriors, Storm, Knights, Raiders and two expansion teams in the other.

Critics have suggested that it would make the competition even more inequitable, given the perceived travel advantages the Sydney clubs already have, but Brown has an open mind.

"Travel is a part of sport, all over the world," said Brown. "No doubt that teams not travelling get some kind of advantage. That was proven last year during Covid, some sides didn't travel at all and it was no coincidence that their injury tolls and performance were certainly helped by that.

"It certainly makes it a little different for sides that have to travel a lot, there's no doubt about that but it's about getting the right squad together and belief amongst them and you can overcome all sorts of things.

"[We] certainly don't want to use the travel as a reason not to perform, because I don't think New Zealand is going to pick up and move the country any closer. I would just want to make sure we manage it the best we do."

Brown said the key was enhancing the grassroots, both in New Zealand and across the broader game, saying that the Warriors couldn't be expected to carry the development burden in this country, because "everyone else only pinches the players".

He added that the mooted increased funding for NRL clubs would allow the talent pool to match what was available in the 1980s and 1990s, when there was much more depth with a reserve grade competition and an under-21 system.

"There's been a lot of clubs in the past 10 years that have tried to save on their bottom line and put less time into developing players [by] just cherry picking, which I understand," said Brown. "But if the game is going to provide the funding for the clubs to put into development, I only see that as a real benefit long-term."

 
brightman

brightman

NRL: Warriors coach Nathan Brown backs expansion plans to include second New Zealand team​


Warriors coach Nathan Brown has cautiously backed the NRL's expansion plans, which include a second franchise in New Zealand and a conference system, as long as the emphasis is put squarely on player development.

Brown said while there were a lot of details to be ironed out – including perceived advantages for Sydney clubs in the proposed new model – it could only be good for the game.

After the announcement of a $26.6 million loss for 2020 last week, which was a better financial result that anticipated, NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo put the expansion idea firmly back on the agenda this week.

Abdo's first priority is a second Brisbane team, but it wouldn't stop there.

"Moving to 17 teams wouldn't be an end point. It gets you closer to 18 teams and obviously 18 teams gives you a few different options," he told NRL.com.

"An 18th team allows you to think about what we might want to do about expanding in New Zealand. Having two teams in New Zealand creates a tribalism and a new rivalry in New Zealand."

Abdo also mooted the idea of splitting the NRL into two groups, similar to the NBA's Western and Eastern Conference.

"It gives you options around pools because you can have two pools of nine teams. As you see with some of the big US sports, as you grow your competition and the scale of the number of teams, you can create a dynamic around who plays who and ultimately create more rivalries in regional areas and have competitions within competitions."

According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the model would see the nine Sydney teams grouped in one pool (and play each other twice), with the three Queensland clubs, Warriors, Storm, Knights, Raiders and two expansion teams in the other.

Critics have suggested that it would make the competition even more inequitable, given the perceived travel advantages the Sydney clubs already have, but Brown has an open mind.

"Travel is a part of sport, all over the world," said Brown. "No doubt that teams not travelling get some kind of advantage. That was proven last year during Covid, some sides didn't travel at all and it was no coincidence that their injury tolls and performance were certainly helped by that.

"It certainly makes it a little different for sides that have to travel a lot, there's no doubt about that but it's about getting the right squad together and belief amongst them and you can overcome all sorts of things.

"[We] certainly don't want to use the travel as a reason not to perform, because I don't think New Zealand is going to pick up and move the country any closer. I would just want to make sure we manage it the best we do."

Brown said the key was enhancing the grassroots, both in New Zealand and across the broader game, saying that the Warriors couldn't be expected to carry the development burden in this country, because "everyone else only pinches the players".

He added that the mooted increased funding for NRL clubs would allow the talent pool to match what was available in the 1980s and 1990s, when there was much more depth with a reserve grade competition and an under-21 system.

"There's been a lot of clubs in the past 10 years that have tried to save on their bottom line and put less time into developing players [by] just cherry picking, which I understand," said Brown. "But if the game is going to provide the funding for the clubs to put into development, I only see that as a real benefit long-term."

Brownie's thoughts virtually echo Gould's on expansion and development, which does show vision and direction for our club and the NZRL. Gould really is a boon for league in NZ..
 
Sup42

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It has always annoyed me this idea that a second NRL Franchise should not be allowed in NZ till the Warriors succeed.

Such narrow minded thinking by Warriors fans.

A second Franchise might very well outstrip the Warriors miserable track record....I mean the bar is pretty low already.

The idea of a second Franchise should have nothing to do with the Warriors, let the new side create their own legend.

They would certainly have my support and I would give at least equal support to the Wellington Orcas as I do the Auckland Warriors..

Love to see it happen. Two teams to discuss every week wow. Go the Orcas.
 
wizards rage

wizards rage

It has always annoyed me this idea that a second NRL Franchise should not be allowed in NZ till the Warriors succeed.

Such narrow minded thinking by Warriors fans.

A second Franchise might very well outstrip the Warriors miserable track record....I mean the bar is pretty low already.

The idea of a second Franchise should have nothing to do with the Warriors, let the new side create their own legend.

They would certainly have my support and I would give at least equal support to the Wellington Orcas as I do the Auckland Warriors..

Love to see it happen. Two teams to discuss every week wow. Go the Orcas.
I don’t think the Warriors need to win the competition but we have to be competitive. Our competitiveness showcases our local school pathways, junior talent, community and corporate support, etc.

If we can’t support a team developmentally we have limited capacity to expand. If the plan is to only recruit like the Storm, it will end badly for the same reasons the Warriors can’t import top level talent.

Realistically prior to the second team, NZRL needs to grow the code in the country and pathways need to be developed properly and then we have the required developmental platform to grow from. V’landys sees all this and that is why Gould has been bought in. He is bigger than helping the Warriors - he’s here to set the country up for a second team...
 
gREVUS

gREVUS

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all the advantages are with sydney if they go this system. i honestly cant see anyway to make this equitable except by having all sydney clubs play all interconference games as away games to make up for their local travel, sponsership and recruiting advantages. and this doesnt include that the game is run from sydney, with sydney refs, and a sydney judiciary already.
 
Hardyman's Yugo

Hardyman's Yugo

all the advantages are with sydney if they go this system. i honestly cant see anyway to make this equitable except by having all sydney clubs play all interconference games as away games to make up for their local travel, sponsership and recruiting advantages. and this doesnt include that the game is run from sydney, with sydney refs, and a sydney judiciary already.
Not all the advantages. If a quarter of the players in NRL come from NZ doesn’t a second NZ club help stem the loss of players to Australia and encourage more youngsters to play the game? Playing RL beats standing with your hands in your pockets in a rahrah team
 
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Worried2Death

Worried2Death

Probably about time for a poll:

How many Warriors fans would move to being Orcas fans and have the Warriors as their second team or not support them at all?

They would, of course, go back to being Auckland, which would put a few fans off.

#genuinedayone here. :p But, no, I don't have a signed shirt like Roger Tuivasa-Sheck did.
Petty sure most of us would support both clubs against Aussie teams. A South Island team would be a better rivalry with the Warriors for tribalism, but southern league's in sad state these days, big risk to try to turn that around unless the Canterbury Rugby Union took a stake in the franchise as was vaguely floated years ago.

Cantabrians are no more likely to support a Wellington based NRL team than the Auckland Warriors, most of them hate the Blues and Hurricanes equally. Waste of time trying to sell the Orcas to the southerners, theyd be better setting it up in Chch and doing a deal with the CRU for pathways and shared resources, it could take off down there if the one eyed inbreds had a successful league team to compliment their religious union fanaticism, you can't convert them from Wellington. Just my opinion as an old Chch boy and diehard Worrier.
 
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