General NRL Concussion Thread/Head High Tackle

Do you agree with the new high contact rule?

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eudebrito

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The 18th man seems like an easy fix for those ruled out from head knocks.

But you KNOW that coaches will just try and rort that for free interchange. Outside back pulls a hamstring? Just hold your head son, we’ll get you off for a specialist replacement.

Would it really be so bad to just increase the size of the bench with no ifs, buts or maybes attached?

Would certainly help us, as we can't go a week without someone playing out of position
 
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Great to see the action being taken on this. Fines are one deterrent, but in addition, I'd like to see at least a 1 point docking for anyone seen to be flouting the rules either way. That way, the cute clubs will think twice about any advantage they may gain.
 
gREVUS

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I wonder if the players will be made to stand down for next weeks games by the NRL. Also if they dont does this give the players ammunition to sue after they stop playing?
 
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mt.wellington

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Parallels between the sports are obvious. Future of both codes will be changed by the ever increasing knowledge about concussions...

Charlie Ngatai: Rugby needs more concussion awareness
5:25 PM Saturday Apr 29, 2017
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Charlie Ngatai. Photo / Photosport.co.nz

Charlie Ngatai has admitted he contemplated quitting rugby as a result of his battle with concussion symptoms.

Ngatai played for the first time in 11 months last Saturday for University in Waikato club rugby, after concussion issues that left the one-cap All Black fearing his career was over.

The Chiefs midfielder told Tony Veitch on Newstalk ZB that the mental toll from his time away from the game had him thinking about hanging up his boots.

"I thought about it really hard at one stage," said Ngatai. "With the concussion, you just ask yourself 'Can you keep taking knocks each week and go through that again?'

"I had a lot of headaches, dizziness; you just don't feel like yourself. There was a lot of anxiety, worry, frustration - a lot of symptoms that you couldn't control. You ask yourself 'Why you? How does this go away?' I guess that was the hardest - knowing when you're going to come right, or if you're going to come right.

"You just don't know because it is frustrating. You put your body through so much physical change in a rugby career and you just can't keep doing it to yourself."

Listen to the full interview here:

Ngatai said life took a sharp turn after his concussion injury and life on the sidelines caused some depression.

"My partner noticed a big change in my personality. I was just really grumpy at home and depressed, wanted to be alone. I just wasn't myself, but she stuck strong and helped me through it all and I'm really thankful for that."

With former All Black James Broadhurst being the latest of several New Zealand rugby players to recently retire due to the lingering effects of concussion, Ngatai knows how important it is to raise awareness, urging the rugby community to 'wise up' about the risks of concussion concerns in the New Zealand game.

"I was at a rugby game the other day - a First XV game - watching and overhearing people talking about a player that had made a massive tackle," Ngatai said.

"I happened to look over and he just looked dazed and wobbling around the field. I was sitting there watching and five minutes later no one said or did anything. So I ended up walking on the field and told him to get off and told the ref he was concussed. So it's not just the players, it's the supporters, coaches and fans that have to notice these things too.

"It's a matter of life and death really; everyone has to do a little bit of homework on concussion."

Ngatai has now played three games in the past week, including a game at first five for University yesterday. He is not aiming to be rushed back into the Chiefs, nor is he thinking about the All Blacks. Instead, a preferable pathway is to regain match fitness at club level before transitioning back into the Chiefs later in May. If all goes well, then the Maori All Blacks and Chiefs' clashes with the Lions in June could be realistic goals.

Chiefs coach Dave Rennie is excited and relieved about Ngatai's return to the field.

"There was a lot of self-doubt about whether he would play again; it's been a long process. He's been doing contact work for about a month just to make sure he's really confident and getting his body back in the right sort of shape," Rennie told Radio Sport.

"For me, he was one of the best players in Super Rugby last year until he got injured; he's got a massive amount to offer New Zealand rugby so [it's] hugely exciting for us if we can get him back for the second half of the comp."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11847670
 
MurrayTD

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Probably the cynic in me, but their will be a coach that will see an opportunity to take out a pivotal player in the hope of a failed HIA, at the expense of quilty player at worst being placed on report.
If a HIA is needed because of foul play, both players should go off, and if HIA is failed both stay off. Because as it stands the offending team is rewarded, and that is just plain BS.
 
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Probably the cynic in me, but their will be a coach that will see an opportunity to take out a pivotal player in the hope of a failed HIA, at the expense of quilty player at worst being placed on report.
If a HIA is needed because of foul play, both players should go off, and if HIA is failed both stay off. Because as it stands the offending team is rewarded, and that is just plain BS.

Just happened this very weekend, maloney throws his arm as high as he can to get tedesco in the head and off of the field. no in game punishment. unlikely to receive a suspension.
 
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Just happened this very weekend, maloney throws his arm as high as he can to get tedesco in the head and off of the field. no in game punishment. unlikely to receive a suspension.
Spot on.

The HIA is a great concept and unfortunately for 99% of past players too late.

Sadly there is a real chance that this rule will actually add to concussions and injury via said circumstances. This is one element of the NRL that completely underwhelms me, the unspoken ruthlessness that winning at all costs brings. NRL head office facilities this by a complete lack of commonsense in its shortsightedness at not seeing the potential that such a rule would be flouted by teams unless a deterrent is applied to the offender of equal or harsher sentencing (where foul play is involved)

As it stands HIA protects the player after the fact (when foul play and accidental contact to the head is involved) surely part of the rule should be to stamp out the foul play element. Player protection should paramount to ALL involved.

Hopefully the NRL take a deeper look at the current situation and amend accordingly.
 
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gREVUS

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Spot on. The HIA is a great concept and unfortunately for 99% of past players too late. Sadly there is a real chance that this rule will actually add to concussions and injury via said circumstances. This is one element of the NRL that completely underwhelms me, the unspoken ruthlessness that winning at all costs brings. NRL head office facilities this by a complete lack of commonsense in its shortsightedness at not seeing the potential that such a rule would be flouted by teams unless a deterrent is applied to the offender of equal or harsher sentencing (where foul play is involved)

As it stands HIA protects the player after the fact (when foul play and accidental contact to the head is involved) surely part of the rule should be to stamp out the foul play element. Player protection should paramount to ALL involved.

Hopefully the NRL take a deeper look at the current situation and amend accordingly.
i dont get this. Isnt it already illegal to contact someone to the head?

Arent you looking at the exception where it was missed and treating that as the norm? Put it another way - A high hit is made and the guy goes on report. Next week he cant play, maybe for the next 3 weeks he cant play. That is the punishment for the high hit. No team is going to coach players to hit high to take out someone and then not have their player available for weeks after. Also a trend where one team was taking out all the playmakers of another team would be noticed real quick.
 
Blain

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I was thinking the exact same thing. Maloney should have been subbed off for the same amount of time Tedesco was off the field - Which was the rest of the game.

Guys who have a history of knocks, such as S Matautia will be targeted. He took a high one, and due to his history had to go off for assessment. If it takes a good player out of the game for 10 - 15 minutes, teams will target them 100%. A penalty is worth it.

There are often several HIA's a game, it's becoming a problem. If someone needs a HIA due to a DANGEROUS tackle, there needs to be more protection in place to even out the playing field.
 
fizurg

fizurg

As much as I don't think it's actually happening there is room for the rules the exploited.
We could easily put someone like one of the Sipley brothers into Sau's bench spot. Tell him to target a key play maker he gives away a penalty in the process then get suspended for three matches. Sau comes back into his spot next week and things return to normal.
 
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As much as I don't think it's actually happening there is room for the rules the exploited.
We could easily put someone like one of the Sipley brothers into Sau's bench spot. Tell him to target a key play maker he gives away a penalty in the process then get suspended for three matches. Sau comes back into his spot next week and things return to normal.
This has happened in the past in NFL and Ice Hockey. I remember when the rules could be used to allow shit like this, but i think you would find that all sports including those have learnt from them. If it is a blatant attempt to hurt another player there are rules to cover that, including sending them off for the rest of the game. I think the term is "dismiss the player".
https://www.nrl.com/portals/nrl/RadEditor/Documents/2014NRLLawsandInterpretation.pdf <page 8>

Also if a player is hurt in an illegal act then the courts can come into play with lawsuits or even criminal charges. Although this is very rare it has been enacted in the past. Alex McKinnon most recently sued in civil court and in 1978, R v Billinghurst11 a Rugby player who punched his opponent causing a fractured jaw was convicted of inflicting grievous bodily harm. There are some more recent than that but contrary to most peoples opinion a rugby league game is not a place to hold a boxing match. Including a really wierd one involving 2 boys under 10 which ive included just cause its a wierd one
"On 5th July 1993, the A.C.T. Supreme Court allowed an appeal from The Registrar under the Criminal Injuries Compensation Act 1983 where a Year 7 boy was spear-tackled in a unsupervised school game by a Year 9 boy.14 It was held the tackle was outside the safety rules of the game and well-known as a dangerous tackle in all football codes. Such a tackle did not lose its character as an unlawful assault."
 
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fizurg

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The tackle on Manu that busted his knee comes to mind. I doubt it was intentional but watching it you just can help thinking maybe.
 
gREVUS

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The tackle on Manu that busted his knee comes to mind. I doubt it was intentional but watching it you just can help thinking maybe.
the one that always made me wonder was the hit on Stacey that broke his arm.
 
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mt.wellington

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Ex-Parramatta Player Takes Legal Action Against NRL
Landmark case.
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Retired NRL forward Brett Horsnell is taking legal action against former club Parramatta reportedly over post-playing career mental health problems.

Horsnell argues concussions suffered during his 154-game NRL career has contributed to his ill health, according to reports.

It's understood he was diagnosed with a brain tumour in 2004, as well as previously undergoing back surgery.

Last year, he spoke of having suicidal thoughts in his retirement.

His case comes as Newcastle is sued by ex-player James McManus in the Supreme Court over the club's treatment of head knocks throughout his career.

Horsnell played for the Eels, South Queensland Crushers and the Gold Coast Giants and Seagulls between 1989 and 1998.

His matter against Parramatta is set down for a directions hearing in the Supreme Court in Sydney for May 22.

The NRL has been contacted for comment

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/nr...legal-action-against-nrl-over-health-concerns
 
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new study on concussion has been released from Monash Uni saying that 12 days is not long enough for a player to recover after a concussion. the afl picked that time frame as a mandatory stand down and might have to review their policies. i am not sure what or if the nrl have a mandatory stand down, but based on Tohu Harris not being allowed to play last week they may have similar.

if these results pan out there is a real chance that nrl limits of 30 players isnt going to be enough to get through a season.

also the article talks about a bloodtest or a syliva test they have developed as a way of knowing if your concussed or not. imo this would be massive, especially for the amateur version of the game, with any player concussed having to get a blood test rather than an mri before being allowed to play on.

 
wizards rage

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new study on concussion has been released from Monash Uni saying that 12 days is not long enough for a player to recover after a concussion. the afl picked that time frame as a mandatory stand down and might have to review their policies. i am not sure what or if the nrl have a mandatory stand down, but based on Tohu Harris not being allowed to play last week they may have similar.

if these results pan out there is a real chance that nrl limits of 30 players isnt going to be enough to get through a season.

also the article talks about a bloodtest or a syliva test they have developed as a way of knowing if your concussed or not. imo this would be massive, especially for the amateur version of the game, with any player concussed having to get a blood test rather than an mri before being allowed to play on.

You can see the long term impact on collision sports as we slowly eliminate the physicality.

The Storm are leaders in conditioning their players lighter and faster. This is conditioning for the new rules. Their game plan is about getting around the team rather than through them. They physically look like a bunch of touch rugby players built for speed. They don’t carry excess weight for a physical contest. They don’t have as many impact injuries as they go around rather than through (except for Jennings who got smashed by Curren🤯)

That is the future and what the rule changes are trying to force. A speedy version, styled on touch rugby.
 
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As a rugby player in my teens back in the 80s before I discovered league there was a mandatory 3 week stand down before you could play again if you were concussed.
 
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gREVUS

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As a rugby player in my teens back in the 80s before I discovered league there was a mandatory 3 week stand down before you could play again if you were concussed.
i didnt know that. its interesting to me that the AFL picked a number that was just shy of two weeks, i assume so that they would be back on the park the week after, whereas 14 days would in some or most instances mean your out for 3. Seemed more a commercial decision to me rather than a player welfare one.
i hope the blood test could be used to give real accuracy, because there is no way two different people hitting their heads gets exactly the same amount of damage, or that it takes an identical amount of time to heal.
 
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