Post Match NRL 2018 - Round 8 - Storm vs Warriors Post Match Discussion

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MarkW

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mtsmart

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Agree about Maumalo - yes he does does make those metres from hit ups but that seems about it - he seems to be like a child at school trying to fit in with the other kids but not really sure how to - a few times tonite he looks kind of lost. Maybe he misses Kata. :rolleyes:
Making meters on kick returns - that was all Manu Vatuvai was offering in his last couple of seasons. Maumalo is just a continuation of that and he doesn't even have Manu's ability to score tries from bombs. He does have Manu's butterfingers when dealing with the rolling ball though.
 
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snake77

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Quite a lot of contrasting viewpoints on this game in the media.

NZ Herald.
Not the end of the world according to Dale Budge: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12039694
One of their other League reporters that it is reminiscent of the last few years: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12039602

Stuff
Duncan Johnstone Forget title talk: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opini...s-can-forget-about-dreaming-of-2018-nrl-title

I know Budge rubbed a few people on here the wrong way. At least with him and Burgess you know the watch more of the NRL than just the Warriors games. He does raise some good points to consider.

Johnstone is more of a sensationalist article. I agree title talk has always been premature as wee need to make the finals first. I treat his viewpoint on league with a bit of skepticism remembering he wanted Mark Graham sacked as he needed to have our inexperienced centre playing inside the more experienced one like the All Blacks do with new players. That would be fine but the two players he was arguing were playing on opposite sides of the field not beside each other.

The NRL have done well treating ANZAC Day as a special event. We need to be involved as it is Australia New Zealand. We do have a tough assignment playing the Storm over there. A shame with the big crowd and all of the build up that we often get blasted off the park.

The Storm have shown the last two weeks that any thought of writing them off due to the early season form is premature. They have sorted their issues out and will be hard to beat.
 
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WellingtonOrca

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how did Vuna go ??

what was SK's reason for playing a 19 year old debutant against the storm ?

I thought he went alright. Looks like he got named because he and Sao are our last forwards that aren't broken and he can cover centre as well.
 
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Super Freak

Super Freak

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Losing Luke and Harris, both have been big parts of the Warriors resurgence.

The inexperience of Lino.

The 5 day turnaround traveling across the ditch to play an in-form Storm side at their home ground.

It was never going to be a good night for the Warriors. I didn't think they would win, but I thought it would have been more competitive. But unfortunately, there aren't any sides that could beat Storm when they are in that kind of mood. They are a level above everyone else at their best.

Take the loss, move on. This game showed the Warriors still have a lot of work to do. Work on the weaknesses that were exploited so they can't get exploited again. There is still a long way to go in the season, better to cop the floggings now then just before the finals.
 
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Can’t recall a game of Nrl from memory where a side was scored on from the kickoff four times in succession.

We were exposed on our edges by the ball being shifted wide early and then back through the middle, we weren’t prepared for it and we lacked a plan to mitigate against it. Our line was stretched, holes appeared and we were cut to pieces by a ruthless Melbourne side.

With returning players and a 10 day turnaround we’ll be better prepared for the Tigers I have no doubt about that but they are equally capable of using the same tactic against us, they’ve been shifting the ball wide in a similar vein and exposing sides all season so unless the coaches can come up with a fix I don’t see a win there such was the unresponsive nature of our performance for such a sustained period, in short we lacked a pulse and make no mistake other coaches will be putting their tip sheets together in a similar fashion until the problem is sorted.

A lot of credit goes to the Storm but it was the Warriors failure to respond which was most alarming, it was as if the players went mentally blank which was the polar opposite of what we saw last week against the Dragons for sustained periods.

It really was Jekyll & Hyde stuff and I’m sure the mental skills coach who we occasionally glimpse lurking in the back of the coaches box will have his work cut out over the next 10 days because to me those demons weren’t brought on through fatigue, it looked to me like they lost all belief in themselves for a while, a blip on the radar I’m not so sure.

There’s been plenty of hype around for a while now (too much imo) so it’s easy to forget that this side is still very much a work in progress, we saw at the back end of last year after key injuries how much our junior players struggled when they made up the balance of the side and I think we caught sight of that again, they looked shell shocked which given the occasion isn’t so surprising when you think about it.

Tohu Harris, Gavet, Shaun Johnson, Bully and Kata need to get back soon to restore balance back into the side.
 
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Aman

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Not a big deal. Any team in the comp would have struggled with 6 starters out injured against a nearly fully fit surging Storm team at home. TBH I'm happy the boys came out and played the way they did in the second half. Hiku deff has some serious defensive deficiencies and they were on full display without Harris but he's very solid on attack so not fussed with whatever Kearney does with him. My concerns are Vete and Lison. Both offer very little of the bench in terms of punch and are faar to slow and have really poor reads on defense. You gotta be good at least one thing. So in mind they gotta go and you have to start blooding the likes of Sipley, Sate and Sao. Keep Tevaga is does a ok job without anything spectacular and offers a ok back up to hooker. Im fne with Papa as a starter - the guy has to learn somehow and has shown enough to be a genuine star in the future. I would love to see Maumalo replace Mannering on the edge even if its just a experiment.
 
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Stone

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The next week & a half will be crucially important for this team & hugely revealing for Stephen Kearney's true coaching abilities & leadership qualities

A loss like this can only go one of two ways, it will either draw the group closer together & help to build a deep seeded resolve to seek drastic immediate improvement or it will become a confidence killing moment from which they never truly recover

St George basically went through the exact same sequence of events last season & it was a defining moment from which they never truly recovered

It is up to Kearney his coaching staff & the senior players leadership group to make sure that doesn't happen

The entire team must use this next week & a half to seek total accountability through brutal honesty, break it all down & then rebuild accordingly ... it's the only way forward

Adversity reveals character & real character can only be built through adversity, it's easy to feel confident & look great when everything just seems to be going your way

But it takes real character to get up & go again & again when you've been knocked down

That can only be achieved by total honesty, accountability & genuine willingness to embrace adversity, learn from it & push through it at all costs

Does this current version of the Warriors truly have that in them ???

Only they will know the answer to that & all we can do as fans is hope to see a distinctly improved performance in our next match against the Tigers
 
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Run_it_str8

Run_it_str8

Losing Luke and Harris, both have been big parts of the Warriors resurgence.

The inexperience of Lino.

The 5 day turnaround traveling across the ditch to play an in-form Storm side at their home ground.

It was never going to be a good night for the Warriors. I didn't think they would win, but I thought it would have been more competitive. But unfortunately, there aren't any sides that could beat Storm when they are in that kind of mood. They are a level above everyone else at their best.

Take the loss, move on. This game showed the Warriors still have a lot of work to do. Work on the weaknesses that were exploited so they can't get exploited again. There is still a long way to go in the season, better to cop the floggings now then just before the finals.

It was Wayne that I heard a couple seasons back when the Broncos has a slow start to the year saying "it's not about winning and playing our best at the start of the season, it's about doing it and the end." Loosely paraphrased.
 
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DavidMcKay1974

DavidMcKay1974

I didn't know if I could get back on here after last nights slaughter straight away.

It's mostly positive than being entirely negative. That's a big plus right there.

They never turned up in the first half, which was a shock to see. I thought they started good, but then the Storm got going and we made the mistakes.

Onto the Tigers. We need to hit them with everything we have got, because of our 10 day turnaround.

Let's get back on the bike.
 
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Raurimu Massive

Raurimu Massive

I don't know if it's all the pre-match fuckaboutery, but we never seem to do too well when we don't just run out onto the paddock and play footy eh? Having said that, no amount of build up can explain Jazz Tevaga's amazing ability to hit the ground with 25% of his passes from dummy half.
 
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Run_it_str8

Run_it_str8

Having said that, no amount of build up can explain Jazz Tevaga's amazing ability to hit the ground with 25% of his passes from dummy half.

It's called being a utility without the specialist skills necessary. Fuck there needs to be some remedial classes for things such as;

- passing from dummy half when you've been shat on by champions
- passing from dummy half when you're physically and mentally destroyed.
- playing your best from the start of the game.
- diving on grubber kicks.
- one on one tackles.
- running faster than we can right now
- kicking 40/20's from our own tryline (that would fuck with every team's defence).
- defence practice with attack team having 2 more players than the defensive team.
- passing while you're running at top speed
- picking up your balls when you've dropped them so shamefully.
 
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Mr Frank White

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watching the replay, every one has pretty much nailed the various reason that contributed to the thrashing we saw last night.

The team has still come a long way from last year, we will soon find out how far.

Finally thing I noticed on the ground was how easily the Storm penetrated the line especially both inside and outside the centre.
Most of the breaks weren't overlaps but simply a storm player beating his man.
 
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Chief

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watching the replay, every one has pretty much nailed the various reason that contributed to the thrashing we saw last night.

The team has still come a long way from last year, we will soon find out how far.

Finally thing I noticed on the ground was how easily the Storm penetrated the line especially both inside and outside the centre.
Most of the breaks weren't overlaps but simply a storm player beating his man.

I was at the game and the backs came out and did their warm up and they just looked off. Didn't have the best feeling after watching them warm up. But it was pretty brutal watching easy line breaks with no real passion in the defense that we have become used to over the past few weeks. However we missed 60 (??) or so tackles last week. So have we just been masking a problem.

The one game i get to go to every year and it was that one. And i had to listen to the Storm dickhead supporter behind me.

10 days to force the boys to watch the game over and over and realise how poor effort equals arse kickings
 
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gREVUS

gREVUS

Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies
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So many people giving love to Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, fer fuck sake he butchered an absolute sitter right at the start of the game and the difference would have been massive if after they got in a quick one, the warriors had fired straight back and evened the score. There was another point in the first half where he again held the ball when he should have passed, but to be fair that one only had about a 70% chance of coming off.
Look he ran the ball back hard and he never gave in, but moments like those change games and he blew it.
 
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gREVUS

gREVUS

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Nah that's crap, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck ran for almost 200 meters, had a game high 7 tackle breaks (more than anyone else on the field), came within centimeters of scoring twice, tried his heart out and was easily our best player.
Lino got targeted and carved up like a xmas turkey.
ANd Roger Tuivasa-Sheck screwed up big time, right at the start so of course he worked his arse off. His nearly scoring when we could have scored was so bad, and being our best player, i would have said that was Adam Blair. But hey its only my opinion.
 
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gREVUS

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I actually thought it was the other way around they moved Lino out to try hide him.
Either way both Hiku and Lino are terrible defenders- the storm knew it and done what they do- target weaknesses.
that must be why they ran at mannering , oh i mean past mannering all night. Seriously if hes there on the spot - yea boy, but otherwise he looked slow and on attack. OMG how many attacking plays break down with him, terrible offloads, no speed. Comon, it always starts further infield and Mannering was the weak link.
 
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