Post Match NRL 2018 - FINALS Week 1 - Panthers vs Warriors Post Match Discussion

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bruce

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Yep it is shitty, you don’t need an organising half when you have some extra bloke calling the shots who isn’t affected by fatigue, particulatly ex players who have heaps of wisdom but bodies are past it. mentioned it in the week 1 final thread but it is a blight on the game.

They should only be on field for a stoppage.

Imagine next year if JT is doing this behind the cows... or you have Cam smith walking along behind the storm.
I didn't realise it is Wallace. I posted about him live during the Panthers game at MSS. It was a fucking disgrace. Stacey is a water boy, Wallace was lining up the defensive patterns. The NRL is a fucking joke and after watching the half wit chairman on NRL 360 last night I am not surprised.
 
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Fearmuss

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I know Jones is the trainer, but there’s no way he’s as blatant or involved as Wallace or Langer, they’ve taken it to another level.

Also a big difference between giving direction and directing traffic.
 
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Fearmuss

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I didn't realise it is Wallace. I posted about him live during the Panthers game at MSS. It was a fucking disgrace. Stacey is a water boy, Wallace was lining up the defensive patterns. The NRL is a fucking joke and after watching the half wit chairman on NRL 360 last night I am not surprised.

Yeah, he is blatantly coaching, not taking messages. But they’ll probably get a small fine, will be interesting to see how early Penrith kicked too considering the supposed rules for the trainers.

Don’t have the heart to watch the game again yet so won’t be able to check.
 
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gREVUS

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Yeah, he is blatantly coaching, not taking messages. But they’ll probably get a small fine, will be interesting to see how early Penrith kicked too considering the supposed rules for the trainers.

Don’t have the heart to watch the game again yet so won’t be able to check.
i remember lots of early kicks, also the 2(?) 40/20s would have been a lot easier when the guy behind you doesnt have any pressure on him can just yell 40/20 right side their open.
 

Fazz

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Apr 12, 2012
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Just another reason to hate Penrith tbh. This year has seen them and the Sharks leapfrog the Storm in the hatable wanker stakes. Can't wait to see them bash the shit out of each other tonight and then watch the winner get victimised next week.
 
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snake77

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Been away on holiday and been away from a lot of the post match analysis. I did notice the usual suspects have taken shots at the club. Chris Rattue is either all over the club or digging the boot in there is no middle ground with that dude. Duncan Johnstone from Stuff seems to think we should win the NRL as we are good at union, different games. He also has some pretty stupid arguments like when the club was hosting its awards dinner, pretty sure its held at the same time every year similar to the other clubs.

The media like to bring up the top 8 out of a 16 team competition but at the start of the year most of the sides have a decent argument they will make the 8.

The result was disappointing but we have come a long way from the previous few years. I'd rather be reviewing our season during or after the semi finals then after round 26.

The start was good and looked like they could pull it off. The Blair offload and the minutes following were where the game turned. We just couldn't turn the momentum shift.

Our captain going off was another big blow.

The key thing for me was with all of the breathing circles and things to calm the side down we finished the year making similar mistakes or getting stuck in hole like we have previously. A good example round 1 starts with the left side being unorganised on defense with Kata rushing out, our last game and that issue reappears. A month or so ago there were articles about how much they had worked on their defense. It seems when the spotlight goes on our issues get magnified.

A big improvement from recent seasons but it needs to be built on. Remember the buzz of making the finals as next year it shouldn't be a hope it should be expected.
 

bruce

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Duncan Johnstone from Stuff seems to think we should win the NRL as we are good at union, different games.
Duncan Johnston doesn't know shite and if the NZRFU keep losing $7 million a year for the forseeable future they won't be winning much either.
 

Fearmuss

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Duncan Johnston doesn't know shite and if the NZRFU keep losing $7 million a year for the forseeable future they won't be winning much either.

I also don’t think they understand a healthy comp with free player movement either.
 

bruce

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I also don’t think they understand a healthy comp with free player movement.
Apologies if this is off topic but here goes:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12125211
The truth about New Zealand rugby's financial problems
These are confusing as much as they are compromised financial times for New Zealand Rugby.

Earlier this year the national body unveiled an annual profit of $33 million on the back of record revenue of $257 million.

Boom times indeed, except in the same breath NZR chief executive Steve Tew warned of troubled times ahead.

Much of the $33m profit has already been invested and the giant hike in revenue was mostly attributable to the British & Irish Lions tour.


But the fight never stops and the pressure point changes. NZR has managed to tie in Rieko Ioane beyond next year's World Cup and is likely to be able to persuade the likes of Beauden Barrett, Brodie Retallick and Sam Cane to lock in to the 2023 World Cup.

The money will be there to keep the best but the question will then become how much further does the available budget spread?

That's the issue – once the top players have been kept, the financial projections suggest there will only be a limited pool left to retain others.

And this is effectively what Tew was referring to about unsustainable spending. NZR can't keep investing more than it has and so the middle-tier of New Zealand's talent base is going to feel the financial squeeze ever more tightly in the next few years.

Compounding the budgetary dramas for NZR is the need to keep investing in and
developing women's rugby.

Everyone is hopeful that at some stage in the not too distant future the elite level of women's rugby will start generating revenue to fund and sustain itself but in the meantime, NZR is having to split its existing pie between more mouths as it were.

Somehow the financial picture needs to be altered before 2021 and NZR can't gamble everything on the next broadcast deal being the sole instrument of change. It has to find other means to replace the missing millions.

Agreement has been reached to change the June test window to July in 2021 which will allow Super Rugby to be played in one continuous bloc and, if the format reverts to a traditional round-robin as has been suggested, then that competition could become more of a revenue earner.

There's a long way to go, though, before anything is agreed about the future of Super Rugby and as NZR knows painfully well, the prospect of unanimity between the partners is slim and they can't bank on that particular competition making a financial recovery.

While shifting June to July has been agreed, there is still no clarity on what the test structure will look like in November post 2020 and hope is fading, if indeed it was ever developing at all, that World Rugby will be able to create a new model for sharing revenue from test matches.

There is, to no one's surprise, internecine warfare in Europe between club and country over the proposed changes to the season structure in 2021.

Such is the stalemate and exasperation, that World Rugby deputy chairman Gus Pichot suggested earlier this week that executives from the major nations have to be prepared to meet again next month to see if they can agree a way to organise and divvy up the revenue generated from the November tests in a more sustainable way.

"If you ask me as a businessman, the business side of it is not working," said Pichot. "If you ask me as the playing side, it's not working. Is the international game under threat? I think it is. Look at the balance sheets of some nations and you can see exactly where we stand.

"By the 2019 World Cup we need to have a blueprint for the next 10 years. On a scale of one to 10, I think we're four out of 10 now [in terms of finding a solution] but before we were not even on the chart. We need to push that needle from four to at least six or seven. I'm not going to be an accomplice to rugby's ruin."

If agreement can be reached, New Zealand may see more future revenue from playing tests, but that is a big if as the Northern Hemispheres have all straddled themselves with burdensome debt by investing heavily in the bricks and mortar of their respective national stadia.

Everywhere NZR looks there is both opportunity and threat; there is optimism and wariness and hence the reason there is some angst about what sort of financial future the game here is facing.
So the true financial picture is less buoyant. Worse, the true picture is one where NZR is spending between $5 million and $7 million a year more than it has, which is why Tew said: "Post 2020 we've got a deficit projected which we can't live with.

"That means we either change the expenditure model or find ways to generate more money. We have to diversify revenue streams but also work very hard to ensure the next broadcast negotiations are fruitful."

These aren't desperate times, but there is a creeping angst about how the books will balance after next year's World Cup.

There is a foreboding sense that all is not well in the Southern Hemisphere set-up and that the weakness of the Sanzaar alliance will soon have a material impact on the financial standing of New Zealand which has, to date, managed to immunise itself from the dramas afflicting both Australia and South Africa.

The biggest worry for NZR, as always, is that it won't be able to garner the war chest it needs to retain key playing personnel.

This has been the perennial battle for NZR since the dawn of the professional age and while it hasn't won every war to keep the best here, it has comfortably won the battle."

With figures like that Rahrah reporters like Duncan Johnstone need to look at their own belly buttons first.

 
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snake77

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I didn't realise it is Wallace. I posted about him live during the Panthers game at MSS. It was a fucking disgrace. Stacey is a water boy, Wallace was lining up the defensive patterns. The NRL is a fucking joke and after watching the half wit chairman on NRL 360 last night I am not surprised.
When they were talking about this on NRL 360 and the advantage of Wallace being a recent retiree and also trains with the side got me thinking. What a ridiculous situation we have. Like Paul Kent said what other sports have professional players being coached on the field like 7 year olds? It's getting to the point where clubs should get their blue shirt trainer who is essentially a water boy and giving them a pre season to get them in shape.
 
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