General NRL 2017 Round 22 - General Discussion

[Worried2Death]

SIZE and JUNGLE FOOTY

Every team is stacked with huge South Auckland Polys now so it's not our point of difference anymore.

So I can't see how we'll still be the best at Jungle Footy either.

 

[Mr Frank White]

Our offloads were dying in the Cleary era, don't put that on SK

 

[Beastmode]

It's been jungle ball before - no premiership yet...

Closest we ever came without fluking it was our first GF back in 2003

Ali Lautiti and Stacey - what a magic period that was before Anderson lost the plot

 

[Beastmode]

Every team is stacked with huge South Auckland Polys now so it's not our point of difference anymore.

So I can't see how we'll still be the best at Jungle Footy either.

Fair point

The aussies have taken our best polynesian stock land developed them for their own

Its the same with rugby

 

[bruce]

if you're going to hire another coach who is simply going to take the same approach as prior coaches, then whats the point right?

our strength has and always will be SIZE and JUNGLE FOOTY.

Bullshit, total bullshit. Back in the day Kiwis were known for guts and determination. WTF does jungle footy mean anyway? Being brilliant for 5 minutes then going to sleep for 15? Rugby league is an 80 minute game based on defence. If jungle footy doesn't include defence then it is just Warrior ball. Newcastle beat a team that didn't want to tackle, simple as that.

 

[bruce]

Fair point

The aussies have taken our best polynesian stock land developed them for their own

Its the same with rugby

What the Aussies have done is sort the wheat from the chaff. They have plenty of lazy slack bastards there, but they get sorted well before FG because they have to compete with the country boys for FG.

 

[bruce]

No in fact participation numbers are down due to the influx of big islander kids.
When I was playing in NZ there were always the restricted weight groups and then I think when you got
to about 15 it was open weight. Not hard to do but the decision making at the NSWRL moves at a snails pace

They had restricted weight when I was a kid as well. Even had flying squads going to grounds to do spot checks. Back then there were NO Polynesian kids playing, and surprisingly few Maori in Auckland, it was a white town. So it had nothing to do with race, it was just common sense.

 

[Pozza]

They had restricted weight when I was a kid as well. Even had flying squads going to grounds to do spot checks. Back then there were NO Polynesian kids playing, and surprisingly few Maori in Auckland, it was a white town. So it had nothing to do with race, it was just common sense.

I played from 1964-1977 we have a couple of Island boys and Maori boys in our teams most notably the younger brother of Olsen Filipania, Alfred a real good player. Sam & Lloyds Perretts uncles Mike & Guy were also in my team. Mike outstanding player could have been anything, had a run in with
the Ken Kiwi coach Cec Mountford while in a Kiwi training camp and never played again

 

[Beastmode]

Bullshit, total bullshit. Back in the day Kiwis were known for guts and determination. WTF does jungle footy mean anyway? Being brilliant for 5 minutes then going to sleep for 15? Rugby league is an 80 minute game based on defence. If jungle footy doesn't include defence then it is just Warrior ball. Newcastle beat a team that didn't want to tackle, simple as that.

2003

Jungle footy and size

End of story

 

[bruce]

I played from 1964-1977 we have a couple of Island boys and Maori boys in our teams most notably the younger brother of Olsen Filipania, Alfred a real good player. Sam & Lloyds Perretts uncles Mike & Guy were also in my team. Mike outstanding player could have been anything, had a run in with
the Ken Kiwi coach Cec Mountford while in a Kiwi training camp and never played again

Yep, I knew Alf. I knew Ces as well, he was a very strict coach. He coached in England so was used to dealing with hard bastards. He would turn in his grave thinking of what SK has to deal with. If you recall the first Island kids started arriving about 1960 so it took quite a while for them to filter through the system.

 

[bruce]

2003

Jungle footy and size

End of story

Compare the team then to now, how many Maori, how many Pakeha, how many Ozzies?

 

[Sledge]

Is this the reason why the Warriors are so p*** poor?
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  “We thought when CEO Jim Doyle and coach Stephen Kearney went there we’d see something different.
  
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[Mr Brownstone]

Bullshit, total bullshit. Back in the day Kiwis were known for guts and determination. WTF does jungle footy mean anyway? Being brilliant for 5 minutes then going to sleep for 15? Rugby league is an 80 minute game based on defence. If jungle footy doesn't include defence then it is just Warrior ball. Newcastle beat a team that didn't want to tackle, simple as that.

Call it whatever you want, however our lame attempt at the Melbourne Storm model (Doyle's idea) is an absolute fucking disaster. As for the lack of offloads - Kearney has history of banning them, did it back with the Eels. He is risk averse and dim, not a good combination. All the apologists can say what they want, however I'm on board with BeastMode's views on this.

 

[Mr Frank White]

Call it whatever you want, however our lame attempt at the Melbourne Storm model (Doyle's idea) is an absolute fucking disaster. As for the lack of offloads - Kearney has history of banning them, did it back with the Eels. He is risk averse and dim, not a good combination. All the apologists can say what they want, however I'm on board with BeastMode's views on this.

Source for banning the offloads?

 

[Mr Brownstone]

Source for banning the offloads?

I can't be fucked looking for actual quotes from players back in 2011 (from memory disgruntled players were the source); however there's plenty of evidence in the stats. Season 2010 - Eels number 1 in comp for offloads with 413. Season 2011 - Kearney's first season in charge, 16th in the comp for offloads with 182. There's your evidence - from 1st in offloads to 16th all in the space of 1 year.

 

[Beastmode]

Compare the team then to now, how many Maori, how many Pakeha, how many Ozzies?

Why you always have to turn this into a race discussion bro?

Jungle footy is a metaphor for open expansive play

Ali lautiti was the michael jordon of rugby league. No one has come close to replicating his style of play because old conservatives deem it too reckless and high risk

 

[Tragic]

https://www.1eyedeel.com/forum/topi...s-into-robots?commentId=500401:Comment:868139

Sound Familiar.

 

[Beastmode]

https://www.1eyedeel.com/forum/topi...s-into-robots?commentId=500401:Comment:868139

Sound Familiar.

Wow

 

[Sledge]

https://www.1eyedeel.com/forum/topi...s-into-robots?commentId=500401:Comment:868139

Sound Familiar.

We are fucked, all is forgiven Ivan, please come back.........

 

[Mr Brownstone]

https://www.1eyedeel.com/forum/topi...s-into-robots?commentId=500401:Comment:868139

Sound Familiar.

Respond to that please Mr Frank White