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01 Jan 1970 12:00PM

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Boats n Hoes

1st Grade Fringe
May 14, 2012
1,778
Yeah that period after halftime we finally got some (Gubb inspired) line speed on D, stopped their yards, and built our attack off the back of that. Question is why we can't do that from the first minute? I know one of Gould's philosophies is if you want to gauge if a team is "up" for a match, check out their line speed on D early on. Unfortunately we seem to sit on our haunches a lot and wait for the attack to come to us and opposition's get an easy roll on. Seems to take a long time for the penny to drop.
 

Jordan G

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On a side note. What's up with Vete's running style when he takes hit ups? It looks like he's trying to get side on and drop the shoulder, but a couple of times he almost went ass first into the defensive line. Probably just a timing thing, but it was odd to see.
 

phil.kingston

1st Grade Fringe
Jun 15, 2013
744
On a side note. What's up with Vete's running style when he takes hit ups? It looks like he's trying to get side on and drop the shoulder, but a couple of times he almost went ass first into the defensive line. Probably just a timing thing, but it was odd to see.
thats what i mentioned in konrad hurell thread...i dont remeber him doing that last year....did he?..wonder if that is being coached into players...obviously not all of them, just if someone wants to modify their running to be more effective...
 
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Jordan G

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thats what i mentioned in konrad hurell thread...i dont remeber him doing that last year....did he?..wonder if that is being coached into players...obviously not all of them, just if someone wants to modify their running to be more effective...

Gubb drives into contact in a similar way, just not quite as side on. Vete seemed to be making more of a deliberate attempt to turn his body right before contact though.

Wondering if it has some effect on getting a quick play the ball. Maybe more difficult for the opposition to put them on their back?

Mannering/Matulino/Hoffman are more traditional, step before the line and try to push through two defenders,

It'll be interesting to watch and see if it's something he continues with.
 
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gREVUS

Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies
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May 8, 2012
8,730
Gubb drives into contact in a similar way, just not quite as side on. Vete seemed to be making more of a deliberate attempt to turn his body right before contact though.

Wondering if it has some effect on getting a quick play the ball. Maybe more difficult for the opposition to put them on their back?

Mannering/Matulino/Hoffman are more traditional, step before the line and try to push through two defenders,

It'll be interesting to watch and see if it's something he continues with.

Turnning ur body sideways would help a lot when lookin 4 an offload
 

Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 30, 2012
7,790
Vete, Lillyman and Hurrell are all now leading with the shoulder, which decreases the chances of driving the line back or breaking it but generally leads to a quicker play the ball.

Matalino, Mannering and Hoffman do a quick step before the line and then try to power through, which is great for making meters and getting offloads away but often ends in a messy tackle and slow play the ball.

Manu and Kata just shut their eyes and run like fuck which leads to big collisions, broken defenders and/or knock-ons.
 

diehard

1st Grade Fringe
Jan 27, 2016
1,787
Yeah that period after halftime we finally got some (Gubb inspired) line speed on D, stopped their yards, and built our attack off the back of that. Question is why we can't do that from the first minute? I know one of Gould's philosophies is if you want to gauge if a team is "up" for a match, check out their line speed on D early on. Unfortunately we seem to sit on our haunches a lot and wait for the attack to come to us and opposition's get an easy roll on. Seems to take a long time for the penny to drop.
But Why? Does Webster/Cappy tell the boyz to have good line speed and they don't? Is it a question of fitness or laziness?
 

6 Again

1st Grade Fringe
Sep 29, 2015
1,333
Vete, Lillyman and Hurrell are all now leading with the shoulder, which decreases the chances of driving the line back or breaking it but generally leads to a quicker play the ball.

Matalino, Mannering and Hoffman do a quick step before the line and then try to power through, which is great for making meters and getting offloads away but often ends in a messy tackle and slow play the ball.

Manu and Kata just shut their eyes and run like fuck which leads to big collisions, broken defenders and/or knock-ons.

Spot on, there are few things that aren't coached in the game these days so it wouldn't surprise if this is a tactic employed to speed up the play the ball. Vete more than others has changed his style, he was to upright coming into contact which was strange considering his union background, I don't recall seeing to many players going arse first into the line - that's a new one!
 
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Jordan G

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Lisone leads with one shoulder as well, although he still runs like Matagi when he has room to wind up. A bit of a hybrid.

He's one guy i'd prefer to see using a bit of a step though. He's got the extra skills needed for that.
 
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Sup42

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
22,856
But Why? Does Webster/Cappy tell the boyz to have good line speed and they don't? Is it a question of fitness or laziness?
They are reactive.
As Hayley Holt wisely said.

Play bad...ignore the game plan...sack the coach.

Now imagine being the coach and trying to tell these guys:

"Line speed "

The coach must say this every half of footy....before kick off and at half time.

The players must hear " blah blah blah blah " because they spend a season of footy drifting away from the message.

It's not really about fitness, they are reasonably fit...they are competing in the second forty of games.

They have the concentration span of a Gnat.

They don't have an organising brain on the field...they have a master of reaction time football as their go to guy....the best reactive player in the world.

They spent the last couple of seasons mastering some basic structured plays....change a few players....start a new season...and they take three rounds to remember how to run those plays properly.


All these points apply in defence. You want to have good organisation, good structures, and a preemptive mindset whereby the plan is to move up fast.

Line speed cuts down the oppositions options, it gives you more territory, it forces errors.

A simple equation that the Warriors have never understood is....the more effort you put in....the easier the game is to play....the fitter you get....the more patient you become....the blow torch shifts from you to your opponent.

Opposition teams use this against us....thousands of games we have been exploited in this way.....like I say.....attention span of a Gnat.
 
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diehard

1st Grade Fringe
Jan 27, 2016
1,787
So Hoffman, and everyone else, needs to say after each tackle when they line up: "line speed." And then do it. Hey, they say it for "process," whatever that means.

For something so fundamental to victory (line speed), you'd think they'd do it. Gubb does. Doesn't Cappy preach accountability? After each game, go to the video, and call people out, "hey Joe Smoe, why did you stand there and wait, and knock come off your line, hard?"
 

Sup42

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
22,856
Cappy has so many things to cover in a video session with these guys.

It is not helpful when you are revisiting the same basic stuff every week.

The other thing the Warriors are not good at is consistency. They may very well improve an aspect of their game, however it is not unheard of for them to drop off in another area that they were previously doing ok in.

Limited storage capacity.
 

mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Jun 21, 2012
22,810
Mt. Wellington, Auckland
Vete, Lillyman and Hurrell are all now leading with the shoulder, which decreases the chances of driving the line back or breaking it but generally leads to a quicker play the ball.
Jacob Lillyman has been leading in with the shoulder for as long as I can remember. Always leads in with the right shoulder and has the ball tucked under his left arm. PResenting less of you to the opposition means getting folded less but also helps with ball security. One of the key reasons Mal Meninga said he selects Jacob Lillyman is his very low error rate. Albert Vete was kept out of the team during the open rounds because of his high error rate during the trials. Maybe the young guys are learning a trick or two off Bull???
 

Navigator

Christchurch Born n bred white bait fed.
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May 19, 2012
2,314
Brisbane Queensland Australia
So Hoffman, and everyone else, needs to say after each tackle when they line up: "line speed." And then do it. Hey, they say it for "process," whatever that means.

For something so fundamental to victory (line speed), you'd think they'd do it. Gubb does. Doesn't Cappy preach accountability? After each game, go to the video, and call people out, "hey Joe Smoe, why did you stand there and wait, and knock come off your line, hard?"
Or the Warriors fan have to yell it out like they do at the basket ball.
DEFENSE..... DEFENSE....DEFENSE
May be we call out to remind them
LINE SPEED (clap clap clap)
LINE SPEED ( clap clap clap)
Then the players would go .
Oh thats right thats what cappy wanted from us.

:wideyed::wideyed:
 

enterthewarrior

1st Grade Fringe
Mar 9, 2013
423
Jacob Lillyman in fact has a very good running style for a prop, problem is he is too short for that running style to be effective. if he was taller lets say like James Tamou's height then he would be bending the line more and not getting stopped in his tracks. you can see that he runs as hard as any prop in the nrl. petero civoniceva also had a similar running style whereby he lead with the shoulder first but cause petero was taller so more effective.
 

diehard

1st Grade Fringe
Jan 27, 2016
1,787
Cappy has so many things to cover in a video session with these guys.

It is not helpful when you are revisiting the same basic stuff every week.

The other thing the Warriors are not good at is consistency. They may very well improve an aspect of their game, however it is not unheard of for them to drop off in another area that they were previously doing ok in.

Limited storage capacity.
I think I'd ask THEM what they need to do to improve their line speed, and the consequences if they don't. Can't just let it go. Too important.
 
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