Post Match NRL 2016 - Round 25 - Warriors vs Tigers Post Match Discussion

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01 Jan 1970 12:00
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Were you happy with the teams effort?

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Season was over by rnd 11 when we'd won 3 lost 7. Everything thats happened since has been meaningless.
For that long Cappys been a dead man walking, he's known it, the players have known it, it would seem the only ones not to know it are a few delusional fans here.
I'm just glad I had my Eureka moment during those golden point losses and realized it was all smoke and mirrors. And no matter how much you polish it a polished turd is still a turd.
 
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I'm not sure where to post this, but on the way back home I heard on the radio a Warriors fan died before the match after being hit by a train, anyone else know anything about this??

Was one of the first on the scene Wazzas. Bloody horrific to be honest. RIP to the poor guy. Made me not care in the slightest how terrible the boys played, puts things in perspective seeing that for sure. Chin up everybody
 
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Me and a mate were seriously considering a roadtrip from Wellington in the wee hours next Sunday had we won today and Titans lost again to the Cowboys. I guess I'm relieved I can sleepin that day now, so thanks Warriors, I've never been a morning person!

#silverlinings
 
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Oh one last thing, did anyone notice the Warriors were trying to emulate the Allblacks last nights game against the Wallabies? They did well, but...stamina not the same as the AB's, had no petrol left, Manu didnt know if he was coming or going, and thats where Cap has to work on for next season...stamina beyond the 80 minute pain and exhaustion.
 

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What a horrible team to have to support, both unlucky and incompetent at the same time.

Probably sounds crazy, but I reckon that first bunker try was only pulled back cos they knew there was a huge forward pass missed, and the 2nd one had to come back to be consistent. I was secretly hoping a Tiger would run behind his man while scoring, and they'd call it the other way. Final proof the conspiracy is real. Didn't happen.

But seriously, the teams attitude has been as shit as ever, maybe worse, at least they had injury woes and a weaker squad last year to point to, the coach outsmarts himself with weird selections and will make way for a new fall guy. Give the new bloke a year before he's sacked too?

Only a madman would take this job, half your senior players don't put in, and the other half are either one dimensional or washed up, and you often find yourself playing to a completely different rule book from week to week.

Not sure who deserves the most scorn, Lillyman shut up shop as soon as origin ended, Matulino is playing at about third of his ability, vats is washed up, Johnson cannot even show enough effort to dive on a loose ball, goes for a flash scoop, knock on. i struggle to think of a backrower who defends his edge worse than Hoffman some days. TL had mis read everything that came near him. Kata has a big grin before he's even close to putting the ball down. Spend big on Luke to add some direction, most important set of the game, sends 3 props ineffectively right into the middle.

Only SIGNIFICANT roster changes (and a coach, but figure that's a given) would give me hope that next year will be any different.
 
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Oh one last thing, did anyone notice the Warriors were trying to emulate the Allblacks last nights game against the Wallabies? They did well, but...stamina not the same as the AB's, had no petrol left, Manu didnt know if he was coming or going, and thats where Cap has to work on for next season...stamina beyond the 80 minute pain and exhaustion.
At this time of the year they should have the match fitness, they jut dont stay in the fight mentally.

That last 10 minutes was ridiculous, dropped ball, letting the ball bounce, a player skirting the edge of a scrum and running 80 metres, thats falling asleep
 
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Was one of the first on the scene Wazzas. Bloody horrific to be honest. RIP to the poor guy. Made me not care in the slightest how terrible the boys played, puts things in perspective seeing that for sure. Chin up everybody
Damn, I and a few million kiwis felt like committing suicide when we lost the 91 world cup, but not for the Warriors. RIP accidents sux.
 
At this time of the year they should have the match fitness, they jut dont stay in the fight mentally.

That last 10 minutes was ridiculous, dropped ball, letting the ball bounce, a player skirting the edge of a scrum and running 80 metres, thats
falling asleep
yep, need some uppers.
 
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Not at all what I'd expected especially after the Panthers had taken the Titans down and given us a lifeline. We might never had got to the eight in any event, if the Titans won next week, but I thought we'd take the chance to control what we could and bag this one, and this really wasn't the performance of a team in control of their own affairs. Especially on defence, where there was more softness than I would have expected from a team in a do-or-die situation (the Woods try around the 24th minute was a good example). You could see in flashes that the team had come to play - especially that wonderful passage after the first half hooter that resulted in the disallowed try - but it wasn't maintained. Easy to say from the sidelines, I know, but it looks as if we need a bit more mental toughness.

And so we start to think about what to improve for next season. I don't want to get into the pro or anti McFadden stuff in any big way, as I suspect a lot of us in the stands just don't see enough or hear enough of the internal workings of the club to make a good call on that, other than to say that the burden of proof now shifts to McFadden to show us why he should be kept on. I haven't done the stats yet, but there can't be many (any?) clubs who have missed the eight five years in a row: McFadden has only been there for part of that run, but on the other hand you'd have to say that part of his job was to turn the previous underperformance around. And I appreciate that sometimes turnarounds take time. But 'benefit of the doubt', for me, doesn't run McFadden's way from here on in.

Part of the story is obviously missing Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, and at various points having Shaun and Issac with assorted niggles and injuries - Shaun's still not right, though even at half-pace he's capable of terrific stuff as we saw today - so hopefully next year we will have the 1st class spine we'd planned on for this year. We probably need to stop arsing about, and just see if Lolohea cuts it at #6 - if he can (and I think so), train him up in the job and let's go. All purpose "we have to have Tui somewhere" super-sub isn't going to work as well.

Our back line has the potential to be very, very dangerous next year. I know there are mixed views on Manu, but I thought today that the Manu/Kata combo was looking good. They seem to have a good rapport with each other. With Roger Tuivasa-Sheck back, Fusitua goes to centre (where he has been excellent) and Maumalo on the other wing, and we're set.

The forwards - among the younger ones Vete, Lisone, Gavet, all decent, all need just that extra bit of coaching to lift a little and they could be very damaging. Lisone today at full tilt was pretty awesome. And there are more young guys coming through (remember Bunty Afoa a few games back running off Shaun?). Among the senior team, Mannering has had an outstanding season, a complete rock, one of the best players in the comp, couldn't ask for more, hope 2017 is just as good for him, and Bodene has been very good too. The others - Hoffman and Matulino, OK but not outstanding and I do wonder about Lillyman's low running metres (including today). I'd be tempted to take a hard look there and ask whether we don't need a real hard man with ball skills, and it wouldn't hurt if they were the likes of a James Graham or a Sam Burgess who won't be called up for SOO duty.

I know, I know, you won't make the eight or the Grand Final without solid defence (and as I said we could have done with more of it today, and I hope this is the last season we see two backs wondering which of them will field the high ball) but if there's anything missing in our kit box it's pre-planned attacking plays. Especially last year and the first half of this year we came to games with what looked like low stocks of prepared tactics, and were too reliant on improvisation. Which we're quite good at - it's the Warriors way - but you can't improvise your way through a 26 game season. So while there's a role for playing what's in front of you, and if we're in that spot we can do it as well as anyone, I'd like quite a lot more work on pre-arranged plays. You can't plan everything, but it doesn't look to me that at the moment all the players know that on play 2 we do this, play 3 we do that, play 4 is the money ball.
 
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I know this was far from the biggest problem today, but why the heck would you play Hingano at dummy half and Leuluai at 5/8. You're basically playing two players out of position for no reason. Fair enough you don't want to disrupt the spine midgame, but then why play Hingano in the first place when you have Roache or Tevaga?
 
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I know this was far from the biggest problem today, but why the heck would you play Hingano at dummy half and Leuluai at 5/8. You're basically playing two players out of position for no reason. Fair enough you don't want to disrupt the spine midgame, but then why play Hingano in the first place when you have Roache or Tevaga?

No idea, and unfortunately the whole disrupting the spine argument doesn't really fly when not long before that he switched Lolohea to fullback and Fusitua to the wing.
 
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And there she goes. Another wasted season. Its an all too common theme with this club.

They'll have another "thorough review" and bring in the so called "experts" to assess what went wrong, what needs to be improved.

Promises will be made, faith will be restored and we'll start another season next year believing in the hype.

The circus show continues...
 
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been away working the last couple of weeks.
Back home tonight and have the game recorded on Fox..just can't bring myself to watch it.
After our performances the past few weeks I finally accepted that we didn't deserve to make the finals, and even if by chance we did, we were gonna be straight out of there after one game anyway.
But, have to say, after seeing the final score today, reality REALLY set in.
That last tiny glimmer of hope most of us deep down held onto.
Fuck it's a mission loving this team.
Gutted.

Edit : Watched the the bad bunker calls on League Live..da fuck are they doing to our game?!
Fuck the bunker!
 
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And there she goes. Another wasted season. Its an all too common theme with this club.

They'll have another "thorough review" and bring in the so called "experts" to assess what went wrong, what needs to be improved.

Promises will be made, faith will be restored and we'll start another season next year believing in the hype.

The circus show continues...
yep.. let's see if Doyle's got any minerals to sack Cappy and some of the shite that permeates this Club.... same old same old.
Keep the Faith?
F**k the Warriors.
20 years cuz.... you get less for murder.
 
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On 10 June 1994, 9 months to day of first NZ Warriors match, David Bain killed his whole entire family.

Even then he knew ... ;)

Fuck this team. :(
 
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Mental toughness is a individual quality as well as a collective, very few Warriors players consistently show it.
The desire to turn up every week, tackle and run as hard as you can, pick yourself up when you make a mistake and just keep going.
The Warriors will continue to fail until more players with this quality come into the squad.

You can have all the talent and score some flash tries here and there but give me players who want to do nothing else in Rugby League except win, leave a legacy and will do whatever it takes to do so. Apart from a handful of players, the Warriors are just fill of showtime, glory boys who have talent but lack smarts. They're boys, not men!

It was clear and obvious to see and it's been clear as day all year, the desire of individuals in this team is not the same as in most NRL clubs.

Our playmaker has failed to lead this team to the playoffs in the last 5 years, he is too scared to take the ball to the line doesn't get his hands on the ball enough. Half his kicks in play are aimless and ineffective. Warriors also are last in the league in tries of kicks. Throw all his wonderful stats at me but it is irrelevant. 5 years in a row! Some of the legends of the game have every right to criticise him. He isn't playing to his potential and one has to question will he ever get there?

Our front row isn't tough enough, one dimensional and lacks size. The back row is one dimensional and plays too many minutes and there are too many players in our backs that are rocks and diamonds players.. They may score some flash tries but when the going gets tough the Warriors get weak, the head goes down and the hands on the knees.

The Warriors have lost there way, they are no longer the entertainers of the NRL. Truth is, they haven't been for years.

It is time again for some tough calls. I do have faith that JD is the right man to make them. Without major changes to the squad and management,
I do question Eric Watson's desire for this club. If it's Cappy they're gonna stick with then he needs players who can suit his coaching and style of play now. Or more likely they need a coach who can get the best out of the individuals and develop a style of play that suits the players in this team.

I've seen too many games over the last few years where players look clueless, dumb and lacking in desire to do what ever it takes to win!
This squad isn't a team that can compete in the "grind" they doesn't have the personal, so there for should be trying to do so.

My heart still aches and I wonder if it was only a dream when I attended the 2011 Grand Final to see all three Warriors teams playing on the big stage. We were promised of a building legacy, all we've had is a false
 
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Shaun proved something me in that match - he really just doesn't understand league. Whether he's had that coached out of him as a result of trying to turn him into something he isnt (ie, a organizational 7) or whether he never had it in the first place, is a matter of debate - regardless, he just doesn't get it:

Early in the first half we were making huge in roads, it was extremely obvious that momentum was building strongly, we were getting close to the line, everything was primed for an attacking foray. What happened? Shaun gets his hands for the ball, and when he should have been making a move to put the defense in two minds, he slows up the entire play and gives an inside ball to Matulino who ambles it into the line, allowing the defense to reset itself, no longer on the back foot, and all momentum is lost. Infuriating. It was staggering to me that our no. 7 couldn't recognise that.

Another example was when, again, we were beginning to build momentum in the second half, we had gone into Tigers territory, and after THREE tackles Shaun puts in an absolutely nothing kick that could NEVER have given us any kind of advantage... and all momentum is wrested away from us again.

It was staggering to me. It's as if he's thinking out there, "I need to do half back kinda stuff. I know, I'll put a kick in here."

We desperately need an organizational half, because Shaun simply is not it. He doesn't get it. If we were a smart club, we would have put him at fullback years ago, best place for his skillset.
 
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