Post Match NRL 2016 - Round 24 - Cowboys vs Warriors Post Match Discussion

[koolkat]

Simon mannering,what a legend only player that has the heart and desire to want to get dirty.fittler got it right when saying that stuff about Shaun.but instead of proving the prick wrong he was proven right

 

[snake77]

Basically too many errors coming out of our own half. Giving that much field possession and full sets of 6 on inside our own 20 against the defending premiers was never going to look pretty. Basically the perfect scenario for Thurston to move us around and do his thing.

It has to be asked where was the team that competed against Manly, Cronulla, Canberra and the Gold Coast away from home. There is some decent teams in that run. This is a 26 week competition, no use getting up for a short period of it. We should have a team performing close to or at it's best by now running into the finals.

Hingano showed some promise. Mannering his usual high workload.

 

[Waiting For Premiership]

Really still wish Hurrel and Paasi weren't released . Hurrell 206 metres today, Paasi 94 metres . Crappy has really fucked this team up. Might be a few years till we even get close to finals football, and if hes in charge NO HOPE

 

[surfin]

So if they go good in these next two will gloss over this one.

I friggin hope not, thinking like that makes us as fans as wishy washy as the half arse efforts that bring losses. "Oh it's alright that the team lost because it looks like they tried and apart from the actual result which was a loss we nearly won and we would have if we had scored a few more points."
Fuck that shit I expect this team to play in the finals and see no valid reason as to why they don't.

 

[snake77]

I don't watch much union but as things turned to shit at the start I turned it over for a little while. I turned it back and we scored. I might take one for the team and skip the Warriors and start watching union now. Do my bit to help.

 

[jonno]

Cappys gone unless there's a miracle.. Some senior players need to go with him.

I'm looking forward to the new coach.

JD didn't hire cappy. He's almost hired the world No1 kiwis spine tho, so I'm expecting him to hire an amazing coach as well. We're a great team, with loads of talent, who've been badly mis-handled by one failed coach after another. So we're perfect for a top coach to come in and be the guy who takes us to the top. That's a pretty big incentive right there.

I like Manu but he's done on the wing. Dropped balls aside, he cant defend that position. Allwood didn't help him tonight. But Manu isn't any better and neither of them should be on the edge in FG. Whether Manu decides to play super-league or move to the forwards, who really cares anymore? He's lost his one point of difference due to old age. His negatives now outweigh his positives as a winger.

Another mystifying loss of form when we needed to keep pushing for higher achievement. Cant blame cappy for that, cause it's been the Warriors since our inception as a club. But the coach still has to understand the fundamental factors affecting his team and create winning strategies to combat them and get us victories.

I hope the next coach has the balls to tell the team what they are going to do, and then watch them do it.

 

[ToiletDuck]

Then there's our propwings, which for me is the clincher. As long as Cappy is in charge Maumalo will always be considered a winger. Manu might be passed it as a winger, but no other coach would continue with Maumalo on the wing. The fact Cappy continues to put Maumalo on the wing despite multiple telltale signs that he isn't a winger is the one thing I can't wrap my head around.

Agree entirely.

For me the other aspect of his coaching I can no longer forgive, is the way he makes the same mistakes over and over, then repeats them in slightly different ways. And by that I am referring to his use (or misuse) of different backs on the bench. The way he just churns out different centre-wing combinations week after week. Chop and change the fullback role. Drop players with the view to them improving without actually giving them that opportunity.

Tonight was actually an almost comical farce. He has mis-managed someone like Tui so poorly, that he essentially ended up backing himself into a corner. In no way is someone like Allwood a better option at centre or wing than Tui, but because Cappy has fucked around so much Tui's position, he was essentially forced to give him a break in reserve grade and then once he knew Kata was unfit, his only option was to yet again shove Tui in the hole in the backline - or stick to his guns and let Tui play reserve grade. But all that did was expose our lack of depth in the outside backs and force him into promoting Allwood. But he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't with that decision, but he has to take the bulk of responsibility for that.

And it couldn't have been scripted any better with Maumalo's injury. Carry a back you don't use on the bench all year, then the week you don't you end up with an early injury to an outside back. What was the tactical response? To put your first line hooker into the outside backs and shift your 6 to hooker. In what world is that a solution that is likely to work in your favour? Most teams will shift their backrower to centre and their centre to wing. But what does Cappy always tell us? We're lucky we have 3 backrowers who can play 80 in the side, hence we don't need a backrower on the bench. Well you did tonight didn't you. You could have subbed him on as a routine sub like other sides do, so some players don't have to make 70 tackles, or you could've had him come on when you needed your starting backrower to fill in at centre. Yet that option wasn't available because there was no backrower on the bench. This sort of stuff I just find so amateur. It's almost like he's shutting his eyes and just HOPING it's gonna work out. What other side would have their only specialist hooker fill in at centre or wing? It's simply baffling, so many things are inexplicable. None of it is smart or revolutionary, it's all just amateur amateur rubbish.

 

[Maddog]

Well said.

Unfortunately the coach will always cope the blame when things turn sour.

McFadden has had shit luck with injuries the past few years, alot of which has forced his hand in terms of picking from the depth pool.

Being governed by the secondary cap means where limited to how many players we can bring up from the lower ranks - allowing the Manu's and Wrights of the world to be picked over Wells, Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad etc.

His time is probably up - but a lot of other factors have contributed to our downfalls. This cannot be attributed only to the coach but hes the scapegoat we can all let our frustrations out on.

I understand your opinion but its his team that has limped home at the end of every season he's been in charge. He's been involved in the club as assistant or head coach since 2013 and have they improved? Sure he's had some bad luck but what is clear is he can't get his team to step up at the business end of the season.

 

[eudebrito]

I friggin hope not, thinking like that makes us as fans as wishy washy as the half arse efforts that bring losses. "Oh it's alright that the team lost because it looks like they tried and apart from the actual result which was a loss we nearly won and we would have if we had scored a few more points."
Fuck that shit I expect this team to play in the finals and see no valid reason as to why they don't.

oh, I should support harder, and maybe they'll win better? Keep the faif. We have the best roster and all our players are awesome, we should be top 4 every year. I wrote my school essay about how the Warriors are the coolest and my teacher said it was really good.

its only that cappy guy holding us back from a glorious era of domination.

 

[Billy Teets James]

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Those are some pitiful stats!!! Manu the only one that ran over 100m.
Lillymans effort is embarrassing for a supposed origin player. I'd be axing the powderpuff!!

I'm sick of people pointing the finger at him after every game. Even when he plays well.
Every game he gives his all and runs as hard as anyone.
Worry about Ayshford & co. Did jack!
And what was he to do when he had his insides jamming in? Jam in too! Lol.
Our forwards were shit!(Bar Manno & Thompson) Lillyman offers sweet fuck all.
Johnson was on holiday.
Excited about Ata, Kid looks the goods.
Hope we pick a team geared towards next year.
We still have a chance to reach the 8. But i still want so see Lolo on the wing, Ata @6/7. Sipley & Afoa on the bench.

 

[Waiting For Premiership]

Any new coach that takes over this team SHOULD realise that S Johnson is not the playmaker that everyone thinks, he should really be played of the bench the way the Warriors did with Lance H... S J has had long enough as pin up boy, but really is not a 80 min player ? Reason ? Basically Freddy Fittler said it , he goes missing and wont take the line on, then has an amazing couple of mins and wins the game. If S J aint happy with it JUST FUCK OFF .

 

[jonno]

I'm sick of people pointing the finger at him after every game. Even when he plays well.
Every game he gives his all and runs as hard as anyone.

It takes more than just running hard to win footy games. They should all be doing that as the most basic efforts.

 

[snake77]

To put your first line hooker into the outside backs and shift your 6 to hooker. In what world is that a solution that is likely to work in your favour? Most teams will shift their backrower to centre and their centre to wing. But what does Cappy always tell us? We're lucky we have 3 backrowers who can play 80 in the side, hence we don't need a backrower on the bench.

I was expecting Ayshford to move out to the wing and Bodene out to centre. Not shift Roache out to the wing. The poor guy got punted out there against the Broncos earlier in the year. It seemed like that event plus a few other injuries kicked off the put a back on the bench thinking. Keeping him at dummy half to move us around the field surely would have been a better move.

Most sides like to rotate their middle players and it makes sense. But to me having a back rower to come on and play a bit wider makes sense. Some fresh legs out wide.

Cleary once when asked about replacing a specific player and the impact it would have on the line up got given a scenario of move player X to Y, Y to Z, and Z goes to position A etc. Cleary said that was changing too many positions to fix the one. A lot of the time when McFadden is faced with a similar scenario the change is usually pretty left field. Tonight's change of shifting your dummy half out to the wing goes against what all of the other clubs would have done.

 

[Beastmode]

I was expecting Ayshford to move out to the wing and Bodene out to centre. Not shift Roache out to the wing. The poor guy got punted out there against the Broncos earlier in the year. It seemed like that event plus a few other injuries kicked off the put a back on the bench thinking. Keeping him at dummy half to move us around the field surely would have been a better move.

Most sides like to rotate their middle players and it makes sense. But to me having a back rower to come on and play a bit wider makes sense. Some fresh legs out wide.

Cleary once when asked about replacing a specific player and the impact it would have on the line up got given a scenario of move player X to Y, Y to Z, and Z goes to position A etc. Cleary said that was changing too many positions to fix the one. A lot of the time when McFadden is faced with a similar scenario the change is usually pretty left field. Tonight's change of shifting your dummy half out to the wing goes against what all of the other clubs would have done.

I would have thought Mannering to centre made a lot more sense than Bodene given he's played there before and has experience. But fuck, what do i know, I'm just a armchair critic.

 

[snake77]

On a better note. I need to free up space on my MySky and I have a lot of the 20 year anniversary games recorded from last year. Been working through the Broncos game at ANZ from 2003.

Just finished it with the big over the head pass for the try at the end. I feel a lot better now.

If my work mates go on about the Warriors on Monday. We had a great win against the Broncos. Hey it was still in Queensland.

 

[InsideBall]

Well, there it is. I honestly felt that after the Raiders game, it was just going to be too much of a struggle...

We just never looked like troubling, ay? I think the biggest difference between the two teams was JT... of the Taumalolo variety. In him they've got a strike forward that just absolutely obliterated us. We just don't have anything like that. I will say though, no way were those two teams reffed the same - that 10 metres looked awfully flexible depending on who was defending...

 

[snake77]

I would have thought Mannering to centre made a lot more sense than Bodene given he's played there before and has experience. But fuck, what do i know, I'm just a armchair critic.

Well Mannering or Bodene would have been better than moving Roache in my opinion. If we moved Bodene someone would need to slot into where Bodene was.

Bodene has played centre on occasions for the Tigers and Titans. But that was a few years back.

 

[5tees]

Another disappointing performance. After beating the Panthers and Titans we have gone backwards while those two teams have improved. I'm not sure what would be worse; missing the eight or scraping into eighth place and getting pumped in the first week of the finals?

The primary reasons for the loss are blindingly obvious, too much dropped ball in our own end and a forward pack that got severely dominated. Other things like wingers who impersonate cement trucks stuck in first gear are simply follow on problems. However, having acknowledged the forward pack problem, I have severe reservations about Johnson and his absence when the shit hits the fan. During the pre-game show (which I rarely watch because I can almost feel the intelligence being sapped from me by Braith Anasta and co.) they made a (good) point that Thurston had been trying too hard in the last three games due to his forwards losing the battle in the middle. This in turn had led to mistakes and poor play from him. I don't know about anyone else but I don't think you could accuse Johnson of trying too hard tonight or any other time our forwards have been dominated.

The 9m from 2 runs is pathetic in its own right. When you compare it Hingano's 72m in his debut game, then Johnsons effort becomes worse (if possible). Personally I feel sorry for him, he is not the type of player who is going to go well behind a defeated forward pack (although there are not many halves who do) and the warriors forward pack is clearly not good enough and arguably hasn't been good enough most of the time Johnson has been in first grade. However I would be much happier if he made 5 errors trying his guts out, than tonights effort.

The other bewildering thing from the game was the excessive upheaval from Maumalo's injury. After that injury (which was unfortunate):
Roache moved to wing (a position he presumably hasn't trained in and is easily exposed in)
Leuluai is moved to hooker (a position he is familiar with but also hasn't played a lot of recently)
Hingano to five-eighth (his natural position and he played well but had to defend next to Allwood who was out of his depth in just about every way)
Would it not have been easier (and caused less disruption to a team struggling anyway) to shift everyone out one place in the defensive line i.e. Ayshford to wing, Thompson or Johnson to centre and one of the bench forwards to right edge back row.
I think this exhibits how much McFadden under/over thinks things. I don't know which it is but it suggests he is out of his depth.

On a positive note I thought Hingano looked really composed and was very solid in a well beaten team. Therefore I look forward to his develpment being continued on the wing and then golden point bench specialist.

 

[facefacts]

Another disappointing performance. After beating the Panthers and Titans we have gone backwards while those two teams have improved. I'm not sure what would be worse; missing the eight or scraping into eighth place and getting pumped in the first week of the finals?

The primary reasons for the loss are blindingly obvious, too much dropped ball in our own end and a forward pack that got severely dominated. Other things like wingers who impersonate cement trucks stuck in first gear are simply follow on problems. However, having acknowledged the forward pack problem, I have severe reservations about Johnson and his absence when the shit hits the fan. During the pre-game show (which I rarely watch because I can almost feel the intelligence being sapped from me by Braith Anasta and co.) they made a (good) point that Thurston had been trying too hard in the last three games due to his forwards losing the battle in the middle. This in turn had led to mistakes and poor play from him. I don't know about anyone else but I don't think you could accuse Johnson of trying too hard tonight or any other time our forwards have been dominated.

The 9m from 2 runs is pathetic in its own right. When you compare it Hingano's 72m in his debut game, then Johnsons effort becomes worse (if possible). Personally I feel sorry for him, he is not the type of player who is going to go well behind a defeated forward pack (although there are not many halves who do) and the warriors forward pack is clearly not good enough and arguably hasn't been good enough most of the time Johnson has been in first grade. However I would be much happier if he made 5 errors trying his guts out, than tonights effort.

The other bewildering thing from the game was the excessive upheaval from Maumalo's injury. After that injury (which was unfortunate):
Roache moved to wing (a position he presumably hasn't trained in and is easily exposed in)
Leuluai is moved to hooker (a position he is familiar with but also hasn't played a lot of recently)
Hingano to five-eighth (his natural position and he played well but had to defend next to Allwood who was out of his depth in just about every way)
Would it not have been easier (and caused less disruption to a team struggling anyway) to shift everyone out one place in the defensive line i.e. Ayshford to wing, Thompson or Johnson to centre and one of the bench forwards to right edge back row.
I think this exhibits how much McFadden under/over thinks things. I don't know which it is but it suggests he is out of his depth.

On a positive note I thought Hingano looked really composed and was very solid in a well beaten team. Therefore I look forward to his develpment being continued on the wing and then golden point bench specialist.

So does Thurstons 1 run for 3 meters mean Johnson was actually trying harder than him?

 

[bruce]

I missed the game. Was out of town in yawnion territory.

I had to follow the stats on nrl.com.au while watching the AB match on the box.

One thing I noticed about the ABs was their desperation in defence. This was even later in the game.

Right from the start of this season the Warriors have not shown consistent desperation in defence. Oh and the stats say our forwards were owned again. I didn't need TV to tell me that.
So sorry JD, and I am sure you know already but we need two monster forwards, not one, and not another halfback.
Cappy has to go now. He is yesterday's man
I am just waiting for the press release.