Post Match NRL 2016 - Round 24 - Cowboys vs Warriors Post Match Discussion

[Waiting For Premiership]

9 metres for Johnson.......oh fuck off surely it was 8

 

[Johnnyray]

Thats the season in my mind. A few players didnt show up and Shaun Johnson was top of that list. Forwards got owned again. Great game from Simon Mannering with some 69 tackles and Bodene Thompson. Ata Hingano didnt look too much out of place and the futures really bright for him. Must place higher than Tuimoala Lolohea for halves pairing now. We need a little General, not another hot stepper.

Pretty disappointed really. Another season full of promise but turned to shit...

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[Alexthewormking]

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Those are some pitiful stats!!! Manu the only one that ran over 100m.
Lillymans effort is embarrassing for a supposed origin player. I'd be axing the powderpuff!!

For mine, Manu's day is done as a winger. But the problem is, we don't have a single player that runs with anywhere near the amount of force he does. Ken doesn't have the same impact.

None of our forwards do. Vete runs hard but doesn't seem to make much of an impact, I have faith he'll get there though. Lillyman and Matulino on the other hand are pathetic and have been for some time now. Has Matulino had a good game since they outlawed the shoulder charge? Hard to think he was arguably the best prop in the game a few years back..

 

[surfin]

But at least we looked good losing there for a couple of weeks. Thanks McFadden.
Can't comment on the game didn't waste anytime watching, speaking of watching, I watched 22 Bullets on Netflix, even though it was in French with subtitles I think I made the right choice.

 

[Play The Ball]

So for all the Cappy haters - what did he do wrong with the team tonight? He picked his best forward pack didn't he? They dropped the ball, failed to have any line speed, got totally out-played by their opposites. His hand was forced with Kata. His hand was forced with the Maumalo injury. He made the call re Tevaga and most people seem to think Hingano went ok. Cappy certainly didn't do much that worked but not sure he can be blamed for that can he? I mean yea it is looking more and more likely he is gone at the end of the year but not sure it is all on him for tonight's performance.

 

[Afakasi247]

Shaun Johnson - 2 runs, 9m in 80 mins.

Ata - 8 runs, 72m in 63 minutes.

 

[6 Again]

Shaun Johnson really showed the way for his young halves partner tonight didn't he, you'd be mistaken for thinking Shaun Johnson was on debut and Hingano was the senior player. He may have been carrying an injury but he didn't pick that up until well into the second half. Not blaming him for the loss that lays at the feet of our forwards yet again but he's got to be one of the worst halves in the comp behind a struggling pack.

Just vanishes.

 

[ToiletDuck]

We made 13 errors, and at least half of those were within our own half. Manu, Lillyman, Shaun Johnson all within the first 20 minutes or whatever it was...that was the ball game right there. Manu especially is just the definition of a spent force. I don't care if he runs 300m a game, those dropped balls in our own half EVERY game, and i have watched him...EVERY game, they result in either points or a repeat set. On paper it looks like just an error, but in the context of the game it is unforgivable as it results in points or an increased defensive workload, or both. He needs to go and go now.

But overall not solely his fault. Ending the season as we have done the past few years. Whatever improvements JD described surely have been completely undone by these past 2 weeks. What well coached squad surrenders their season in that sort of fashion? The only difference between this year and last is that Shaun Johnson is still running around.

The club is sorely lacking in smart footballers who can turn up consistently. There's a lot of players who excel in some things, rubbish at others. Some who have mental fortitude, many who don't. I said earlier that this game would show us whether the squad had one eye on mad monday and I think the acceptance of mediocrity has just meant that turning up and going through the motions is considered good enough. Make an error, put your hand up, get a pat on the head....sort of typifies the club and it's recent spate of results. Turn up for a season, fail, put your hand up and say 'my bad'...but I don't get the impression anyone actually thinks it's their bad, or whether anyone actually cares? The club is so used to being an also-ran that they're about to continue with a coach who hasn't succeeded after 3 years in charge, simply because at some point in the season there was the perception of improvement - that right there is exactly why this club won't ever be a force in the NRL. The players, management, coaches, and even the fans to a degree - all accept mediocrity. It's a sad state of affairs, and anyone who thinks that RTVS and Luke added to this mix of players and coaches will be the difference between a club that is well off the pace, and a club that is a contender, well I suggest you take a second close look at the side of the past 2 weeks - because that was a side with their own destiny in their hands, and they have yet again failed absolutely miserably.

 

[mt.wellington]

not sure it is all on him for tonight's performance.

Not tonight no. But the last 3 years YEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP...

 

[Johnnyray]

So for all the Cappy haters - what did he do wrong with the team tonight? He picked his best forward pack didn't he? They dropped the ball, failed to have any line speed, got totally out-played by their opposites. His hand was forced with Kata. His hand was forced with the Maumalo injury. He made the call re Tevaga and most people seem to think Hingano went ok. Cappy certainly didn't do much that worked but not sure he can be blamed for that can he? I mean yea it is looking more and more likely he is gone at the end of the year but not sure it is all on him for tonight's performance.

Players win games, coaches loses them. It's always going to be Cappy's fault if we lost this game. Fuck him ...

 

[Afakasi247]

So for all the Cappy haters - what did he do wrong with the team tonight? He picked his best forward pack didn't he? They dropped the ball, failed to have any line speed, got totally out-played by their opposites. His hand was forced with Kata. His hand was forced with the Maumalo injury. He made the call re Tevaga and most people seem to think Hingano went ok. Cappy certainly didn't do much that worked but not sure he can be blamed for that can he? I mean yea it is looking more and more likely he is gone at the end of the year but not sure it is all on him for tonight's performance.

Well said.

Unfortunately the coach will always cope the blame when things turn sour.

McFadden has had shit luck with injuries the past few years, alot of which has forced his hand in terms of picking from the depth pool.

Being governed by the secondary cap means where limited to how many players we can bring up from the lower ranks - allowing the Manu's and Wrights of the world to be picked over Wells, Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad etc.

His time is probably up - but a lot of other factors have contributed to our downfalls. This cannot be attributed only to the coach but hes the scapegoat we can all let our frustrations out on.

 

[Alexthewormking]

Serious question, how does Hoffman consistently make so little tackles? Not only do bodene & mannering make 3-5 times as many, they also miss less than he does. His centre outside him makes almost the same amount of tackles. Is mannering stealing all his tackles or something?

 

[Tragic]

So for all the Cappy haters - what did he do wrong with the team tonight? He picked his best forward pack didn't he? They dropped the ball, failed to have any line speed, got totally out-played by their opposites. His hand was forced with Kata. His hand was forced with the Maumalo injury. He made the call re Tevaga and most people seem to think Hingano went ok. Cappy certainly didn't do much that worked but not sure he can be blamed for that can he? I mean yea it is looking more and more likely he is gone at the end of the year but not sure it is all on him for tonight's performance.

At the end of the day he has to take some of the blame for the team not being up for these games and not being able to stay in the grind. Today was tough on him because none of them could hold the ball but this team is not playing well together and the buck has to stop somewhere and it's probably on the coach. Maybe the players deserve more blame than him but it's really hard to argue that he is a great coach. We can't win, we keep him and it might keep going the same way, we dump him and we roll the dice on another rookie coach probably.

 

[Beastmode]

So for all the Cappy haters - what did he do wrong with the team tonight? He picked his best forward pack didn't he? They dropped the ball, failed to have any line speed, got totally out-played by their opposites. His hand was forced with Kata. His hand was forced with the Maumalo injury. He made the call re Tevaga and most people seem to think Hingano went ok. Cappy certainly didn't do much that worked but not sure he can be blamed for that can he? I mean yea it is looking more and more likely he is gone at the end of the year but not sure it is all on him for tonight's performance.

They werent switch on.

Thats on the coach, who cant get through to this team HE ASSEMBLED.

 

[eric]

Shoulders were slumped in defence 10 minutes in. They just weren't up for it.

Honestly thought we would make the 8 this year. Fucking shithouse

 

[Waiting For Premiership]

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Please tell me to stop slapping it fuckin hurts now

 

[surfin]

So for all the Cappy haters - what did he do wrong with the team tonight? He picked his best forward pack didn't he? They dropped the ball, failed to have any line speed, got totally out-played by their opposites. His hand was forced with Kata. His hand was forced with the Maumalo injury. He made the call re Tevaga and most people seem to think Hingano went ok. Cappy certainly didn't do much that worked but not sure he can be blamed for that can he? I mean yea it is looking more and more likely he is gone at the end of the year but not sure it is all on him for tonight's performance.

Oddly the two blokes that seem to have gone the best aren't normally coached by McFadden, and lets not forget his "best" forward pack is the forward pack he signed and trained over the last three years. Getting players right mentally is just as important as making sure they can tackle and catch and work as a unit, unfortunately it looks like this team can't do any of that.

 

[eudebrito]

Apologies if This has all been said already, don't want to read back through - but not too outraged, maybe just in a good mood from the all blacks, Warriors couldn't get a bounce of the ball, couldn't get a call from the refs (I know our ball security was terrible, but how many of those were helped out) and loosing by 1 or loosing by 50 don't really affect our chase for 8th, it's still reliant on the Titans loosing to the Panthers and cows.

You can always rely on Shaun Johnson to go missing in a backs against the wall game, but no one really emerges in credit, dropping it left and right. mannering some good d as always, Hingano looks natural in the halves in a way that Lolohea never has.

Allwood is no better than wright, people just hate him less cos they've seen him play less, he's not very good. Will rag on fusitua for that try before halftime, having a nice wee jog behind the goalline, make a half assed dive at least mate.

And taumalolo is a monster, fuck it's annoying in 21 years of the Warriors franchise based in Auckland they can't develop a blockbusting forward? Mr effective probably comes the closest but still. And Ali I guess. Specialists in churning out undersized fumblers though, had plenty of them.

All in all a regulation defeat, loosing on the road in tough place just dosent feel as bad as rolling over at home. So if they go good in these next two will gloss over this one.

 

[Jordan G]

So for all the Cappy haters - what did he do wrong with the team tonight? He picked his best forward pack didn't he? They dropped the ball, failed to have any line speed, got totally out-played by their opposites. His hand was forced with Kata. His hand was forced with the Maumalo injury. He made the call re Tevaga and most people seem to think Hingano went ok. Cappy certainly didn't do much that worked but not sure he can be blamed for that can he? I mean yea it is looking more and more likely he is gone at the end of the year but not sure it is all on him for tonight's performance.

The game in isolation I don't blame him for, but there's certain patterns that for me are highly unlikely to change as long as he remains in charge.

In 2015 our attack was very sideways, we ran our plays with everyone running on a 45 degree angle. That was mainly to take advantage of the Shaun Johnson/Tomkins connection. When we signed Luke and Roger Tuivasa-Sheck I assumed that we would alter our attacking plan to go more direct. with Shaun Johnson, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Luke, Lolo in the side it made sense to attack the middle, suck the defense in, and allow those guys to use their footwork to break down the defense in the middle of the field.

Instead we continued to do exactly what we were doing in 2015. We changed players, brought in new players with different styles, but we didn't change anything. This to me says that in attack Cappy is simply relying on the defense to get it wrong. Games aren't won against quality opposition because the opposition fuck up, they're won because you create the opportunities yourself.

Then there's our propwings, which for me is the clincher. As long as Cappy is in charge Maumalo will always be considered a winger. Manu might be passed it as a winger, but no other coach would continue with Maumalo on the wing. The fact Cappy continues to put Maumalo on the wing despite multiple telltale signs that he isn't a winger is the one thing I can't wrap my head around.

Unfortunately too much of Cappy's game plan relies on the opposition getting it wrong, not us getting it right.

 

[Zarjaz]

Mannering 69 tackles …and no missed tackles. Epic. Poor bugger.