Post Match NRL 2016 - Round 21 - Warriors vs Panthers Post Match Discussion

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

Ex-Capt. Mannering: 58 tackles including three 1 on 1's + 114m = Legend!!!

He played like a man possessed. I saw him coming up with demon tackles from hell to shut them down.

 

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

Cappy's use of the bench continues to baffle me. He didn't use Blake at all and, if it wasn't for the concussion test for Issac, Jazz would only have played 8 minutes. What is the man thinking?

I wonder whether the reduction of interchanges has limited who to bring on. Say you rate an extra prop to play two shifts, there's two interchanges gone. Perhaps it is better to have more flexibility on the bench rather than just throw on big boppers ad nauseum.

 

[Far North Forever]

I wonder whether the reduction of interchanges has limited who to bring on. Say you rate an extra prop to play two shifts, there's two interchanges gone. Perhaps it is better to have more flexibility on the bench rather than just throw on big boppers ad nauseum.

Very insightful bro.

 

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

I've got to say Crazy Eyes is playing bloody well at five eighth at the moment. Don't think he's played better in the NRL. Mannering, incredible again. Thought Hoff was good. Matulino outstanding. Vete aside from one very poor effort on Mansauce was very good. SJs kicking was pin point most game. Fusitua is an amazing athlete. Must lock him down long term.

It looks to me we are playing good constructive footy and playing to a good plan. They seem confident. And the edge defence is the best it's been in donkeys years. In a sense, I hope they do make the eight, maybe, just maybe, Doyle and the like backing Cappy is founded.

 

[Tragic]

Yeah, but why not put Manu there? He doesn't get the ball on the edge, and he can cover the backs. He's essentially a forward anyway.

Coz other than fusitua he is our best winger, benching him would be a mistake in my opinion, he ran hard and caught the ball in difficult conditions without a mistake that I can remember.

 

[Tragic]

Theory time, because it's Sunday, and you know - been thinking and stuff.

While we're talking about field goals,....

Ur right something definitely needs to change with the setup. How many opportunities to shoot a FG have we had lately and not once have we ever looked likely. Shaun Johnson's try was awesome but it only came off because we couldn't set up for the FG (nice planned move Cappy).
Having another option for FG might be part of the answer but everyone knows Thurston is the main FG option for Cowboys\Qld\Australia but dont see him missing many or under the same pressure.

 

[eudebrito]

There’s gotta be someone at training who shows a natural ability for it, Johnson seems to take an age to get the ball to his foot.

Someone relatively talentless like Trent Hodkinson is ruthless with the FG, gets nice and deep, bang.

And if Johnson is sitting the pocket the whole set, we can’t spread the ball, opposition can rush the one out runner without fear.

I think someone else (not sam lisone) might need to put their hand up for the job.

 

[Jay M]

There’s gotta be someone at training who shows a natural ability for it, Johnson seems to take an age to get the ball to his foot.

Someone relatively talentless like Trent Hodkinson is ruthless with the FG, gets nice and deep, bang.

And if Johnson is sitting the pocket the whole set, we can’t spread the ball, opposition can rush the one out runner without fear.

I think someone else (not sam lisone) might need to put their hand up for the job.

I also don't know why they kept positioning Shaun Johnson out to the right as well... put him on the left side of the posts. As a right footer you get the kick away faster there...

 

[Dixpat]

I...Thought Hoff was good. ...

Hoff's 1 on 1 defense is shite!

Examples - miss on Rapana in GP last week
Poor grab at Mansour when he scored his first try this week

 

[Miket12]

I can only image if someone like Campion was still playing - he'd stand between the PTB and SJ7 and deck anyone offside trying to charge the ball down. If he gets penalised, ask the refs why they're cheating by allowing the defenders offside in the first place.

 

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

Hoff's 1 on 1 defense is shite!

Examples - miss on Rapana in GP last week
Poor grab at Mansour when he scored his first try this week

Hoff was second tackler onto Mansauce. He was covering the outside line and tried at the last second to fix it. Let's not coat that one with sugar, that was a really shithouse miss from Albert Vete.

 

[diehard]

Coz other than fusitua he is our best winger, benching him would be a mistake in my opinion, he ran hard and caught the ball in difficult conditions without a mistake that I can remember.

Don't need an offensive player there, as he doesn't get the ball from Kata. Wasted. No more high ball either. Need to put the best defensive winger there.

 

[Marshthedarsh]

I also don't know why they kept positioning Shaun Johnson out to the right as well... put him on the left side of the posts. As a right footer you get the kick away faster there...

Any time Cooper Cronk nails a Field Goal, the commentators go on about how the player gets tackled on the left hand post, then the ball goes to Cronk who's in the perfect position. Nails it every time.

I saw Mannering keep heading to that left post to get tackled so at least someone knows what they're doing. Other times Mannering gets in position as a blocker but Luke passes flat to him for a run instead... -.-

 

[WellingtonOrca]

I wonder whether the reduction of interchanges has limited who to bring on. Say you rate an extra prop to play two shifts, there's two interchanges gone. Perhaps it is better to have more flexibility on the bench rather than just throw on big boppers ad nauseum.

It seems to me that there's little value in carrying 3 props when one is Matulino who will play for close to 60 minutes. So you'd have 2 other props get 10 minutes each costing an extra interchange vs just one prop putting in 20. It might have made more sense with 10 interchanges, but with 8 there's less to play with. So with 3 80 minute back-rowers and an 80 minute hooker, I can see the reasoning for carrying versatility. Sharks also did it early in the season since their forwards are all high minutes and Ennis plays 80

If we had an second rower that could provide impact out wide for 15-20m I could see the value in spelling Hoffman, but do we have that player on the roster? Lane has been average in reserve grade, Palavi is a tacklebot, not impact, maybe Afoa, can he play on the left?

 

[Run_it_str8]

We're lucky we have Shaun Johnson to pull out those plays, but what we're doing in general setting up field goals isn't working, and it doesn't work too well for most teams.

Refs aren't suddenly going to start penalising offside in these situations. Only way is to find a way to negate the defense as much as possible, offside or not.

Our pack get dominated in golden point because the refs won't penalise holding down extra long.

And the way we are perceived and reffed, if we go offside in gold point like penrith did we would get penalised and someone would go to the naughty chair.

 

[Weno]

I wonder whether the reduction of interchanges has limited who to bring on. Say you rate an extra prop to play two shifts, there's two interchanges gone. Perhaps it is better to have more flexibility on the bench rather than just throw on big boppers ad nauseum.

I think The Bunnies have found that out.
Not sure if they will change though

 

[Khaboom]

Someone needs to do the Campion-shielding AND Shaun Johnson needs to go left for the FGs.

 

[Boats n Hoes]

Theory time, because it's Sunday, and you know - been thinking and stuff.

While we're talking about field goals, I've been thinking about them the last couple of weeks and the more I think about it the more sure I am that the way we currently set up for a field goal is flawed.

"Flawed" is being kind I reckon.

That set where Penrith had the 3 markers we had a full set of 6 in Penrith half to set up for it, so plenty of time, yet for the most part still looked like headless chickens.

- Personally I'd prefer taking the shot on the 4th rather than last.
- As you say making sure the kickers are on the right side of the park (right footer just left of the post's etc) but most importantly the kicker having an "out" (back up kicker to throw it to if under too much pressure)
- a quick ptb when we're taking the shot (for some reason our runners on the play preceding the shot are running far too upright getting held, then turned on their back, taking an age to ptb which just gives the opposition far too much time to put pressure on our kicker, we saw this with Hoffman the other week, and Vete this game)
- stop taking the ball close to the line for the shot. If the kicker's standing 10 metres back, and we play the ball 1 metre from the goal line, theoretically that means the defense is only 11 metres from the kicker.....play the ball 10 out from the line, means there's 20 metres (dummy markers not withstanding) between the d and our kicker, far better option (that run that Vete made before the markers swamped Luke, while impressive that he was carrying defenders to the tryline in the end did us no favours as it took an age to ptb and gave defence time to set, far better just to hit the ground asap on the play preceding the shot, use some smarts!)
- blockers either side of the ruck so offside marker defence at least lose some time having to run around them (and if you can manage it another "floating" blocker ready to run interference)

However my biggest gripe with extra time field goals is the offside markers never getting penalized. Its absolutely farcical. Everybody does it (Mannering was a mile offside in the Manly game when Cherry Evans missed his first attempt) Weak refereeing has allowed it to become the norm (in much the same way that players aren't supposed to break from a scrum until the ball is out.....yet the backrow has broken before the halfback has even picked up the ball) The team thatfinally does get penalized for this can feel rightfully pissed given what's gone on since golden point inception.....i bet it's us.

 

[Boats n Hoes]

Hoff was second tackler onto Mansauce. He was covering the outside line and tried at the last second to fix it. Let's not coat that one with sugar, that was a really shithouse miss from Albert Vete.

Tbh i thought Hoff could have made a better attempt as well in that tackle as Mansour had already run past Hoffs man, so he should have been free to put a hit on ( if you watch the front on replay it almost looks like he steps out of the way)

As you say though Vete was the main culprit here and the "front rowers club" pride would've taken a dent seeing a winger run over a prop (although Manu's been doing it for years)

 

[Mr Brownstone]

Tbh i thought Hoff could have made a better attempt as well in that tackle as Mansour had already run past Hoffs man, so he should have been free to put a hit on ( if you watch the front on replay it almost looks like he steps out of the way)

As you say though Vete was the main culprit here and the "front rowers club" pride would've taken a dent seeing a winger run over a prop (although Manu's been doing it for years)

Tevaga missed the initial tackle however Vete's was probably the easiest to make