Post Match NRL 2016 - Round 15 - Warriors vs Roosters Post Match Discussion

[Jay M]

2 Points

+2 for/against

 

[eudebrito]

Secondly - wtf was up with McFadden's use of the bench? Vete - 34 mins, Gubb - 23 mins, Lisone - 25 mins, Sipley 21 mins. Basically one of those guys subbed Matulino, and the other three split 80 minutes between them. If he tries that shit against the Sharks - their pack will destroy ours.

Thought the bench usage was alright, having Roache chucked in straight away, meant he could cycle the young props on and off, which got good performances out of them, maybe Lisone could have gone longer.

But those guys’s defence gets real sloppy when left out there too long, i.e. Vete running a block on his own backline as he was retreating on the big SKD bust.

Cappy gets in most trouble with his 17th man, hooker cover, wing cover, Hurrell cover, it always seems random. He might be better with 3 props, 1 injury utility. Its an Orgin bench! Mentor Lozza knows what works.

 

[Jay M]

Thought the bench usage was alright, having Roache chucked in straight away, meant he could cycle the young props on and off, which got good performances out of them, maybe Lisone could have gone longer.

But those guys’s defence gets real sloppy when left out there too long, i.e. Vete running a block on his own backline as he was retreating on the big SKD bust.

Cappy gets in most trouble with his 17th man, hooker cover, wing cover, Hurrell cover, it always seems random. He might be better with 3 props, 1 injury utility. Its an Orgin bench! Mentor Lozza knows what works.

I thought given that some of our players were doing more work than they would usually (Luke, Roache, Matulino), that maybe he could have got 5-10 more mins out of the likes of Lisone/Vete/Gubb. They really should be able to play at least 30 mins from the bench (or 40 from starting).

 

[Danpatmac]

Maumalo was sinbinned because he got burned and dropped the best ball he got.

I am nowhere near convinced he is a winger at all.

He did do a good job running out of our own end but that is the icing... I want more winger cake

 

[Jay M]

Maumalo was sinbinned because he got burned

I agree that he's not a winger. The other thing I'd like to note, Manu would have been burned too .

 

[Leaguegod]

We will have the best chance to roll the sharks this week, coming straight after (boring) origin, the boys will have to step up this is our litmus test, if we deserve to be in the 8. These last 3 games are ones that we 'Should win' and we did, did we look good doing that? honestly not really, BUT we got the job done, no bullshit from now on, boys have to step up.
Thank goodness for Mutts grass cutting cover tackle that right there saved us the game! that showed me he is nearly back to his best, he is our key to a finals run, sure he got out muscled in some areas by JWH but we stood up and took it, good work!!
Has Vete had that defensive weakness for his whole career? where he ducks his head and waits for contact in the tackle? I was shocked as it seemed so obvious last night, it is not good against light footed forwards.
Bully is just getting better, he is another key to our success.
Also what did everyone think of the (useless) commentators calling the loss of TL early on as a weakness in our game?? for fucks sake the way those fools were going on it was like TL was in the room listening! TL would being doing this and that, Shaun Johnson looks lost without him! come on, no way, once we hung in there we didn't even miss him at all, it was as if they thought we had lost Jon Thurston. Idiots.

 

[pantera nhl]

Sure he beat Ken to the ball but it's easy to overlook a turn and chase, even the quickest aren't going to turn and get there compared to a straight runner.

Wells wouldn't give us 190m like mamalo, that is absolute madness, the team won so why change, Fusitua is special on wing, mamalo and beast other wing depending who is fit

Wells wouldn't give us 190m like mamalo, that is absolute madness, the team won so why change, Fusitua is special on wing, mamalo and beast other wing depending who is fit

Maumalo had a fair game but he is not a winger now thats the problem hes If he gets his defence right he will be better suited in the forward pack

 

[Sup42]

Yep, you sell it best "Dave". Obviously our defence was good enough to take home the 2 points.

Yet the obvious is the most frequently ignored or more so 'downed played.

Actually in in the false economony of attacking flair that is the Warriors, ...the truism that is the last four years is points coneeded....the for and against....forget the for....its the against.

Cappy gets it in the neck, so its timely after a crude game like that to ask the question, was it our recent shift in adjusting to the players preferred second phase game that got the result ? Or was it simple buy in to basic Aussie coaching style tennents (like kick penalties, make your tackles, do the boring stuff well).

I wager the difference between this game and the last two blow outs, is that when the Warriors have a defensive line in their faces (whether illegally like last night, or quassi Legally by the line speed of the better sides or the shallow ten meters granted to home teams) ....in such pressured conditions.....having 'out score the opposition mentality....is limiting this club.

The line in the sand, the foundation stone, has to be a bed Rock of defence.

No matter how many exciting players we throw into this team, no matter how rejigged the coaches plans are adapted to suit our so called Warrior ball, even seriously weakened teams can cynically disrupt a team that is so heavily reliant on second phase and running.

We won because the Roosters could only scrape together ten points.

Really looking forward to seeing what they do against the Sharks.

 

[Paleaaesina2the20]

To the people that gave Maumalo either "passable" or "below average" tell me what game you watched, because I don't want to miss a Warriors game. Young buck, who made the most meters in the game, up and down the middle, he wasn't getting garbage meters out wide, against a big Roosters pack that were looking to intimidate for 80 minutes. The play when he got smashed on tackle 1 then stuck his hand straight back up and took tackle 3 and earned us a penalty was massive.

 

[Jay M]

To the people that gave Maumalo either "passable" or "below average" tell me what game you watched, because I don't want to miss a Warriors game. Young buck, who made the most meters in the game, up and down the middle, he wasn't getting garbage meters out wide, against a big Roosters pack that were looking to intimidate for 80 minutes. The play when he got smashed on tackle 1 then stuck his hand straight back up and took tackle 3 and earned us a penalty was massive.

I gave him passable. Because a) he got binned which put us under pressure and ultimately led to them getting more ball, and a try and the lead. And b) he dropped a ball which granted was a long one, but was right in the bread basket and would have got us the lead back.

For me - yes his metres and runs were great. But the thing is he NEEDED to put his hand up and do those runs because he'd already made two major stuff ups.

He's still not suited to the wing IMO. Although he did look better there last night than the other times I've seen him play there in first grade. Well, for 70 minutes anyway.

 

[eudebrito]

To the people that gave Maumalo either "passable" or "below average" tell me what game you watched, because I don't want to miss a Warriors game. Young buck, who made the most meters in the game, up and down the middle, he wasn't getting garbage meters out wide, against a big Roosters pack that were looking to intimidate for 80 minutes. The play when he got smashed on tackle 1 then stuck his hand straight back up and took tackle 3 and earned us a penalty was massive.

He did, but had Liu run away from him pretty easily to set up a try as well, won’t bag him for the turn and chase on the sin binning, he tried to get back.

He is absolutely the poor mans Manu Vatuvei, not really a dig, Manu has been a great winger all things considered, but Ken has the carries and the slow turns, without the finishing. His ball security was very good trucking it up though.

Happy for him to caddy for Manu when injured, better than Wright.

 

[ryno]

To the people that gave Maumalo either "passable" or "below average" tell me what game you watched, because I don't want to miss a Warriors game. Young buck, who made the most meters in the game, up and down the middle, he wasn't getting garbage meters out wide, against a big Roosters pack that were looking to intimidate for 80 minutes. The play when he got smashed on tackle 1 then stuck his hand straight back up and took tackle 3 and earned us a penalty was massive.

Why the hell is a winger getting the most meters in the game up the middle? We are so stuck on Vatuvei mode where we rely on our wingers to get us up the field.

I gave him below average, loved his runs but when it came to wing play I gave him a 3 / 10. Took a nice high ball, dropped a pass, got sent off.

 

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

I think 3 out of 10 is massively harsh. He made one poor error, but it was certainly no guarantee he was going to score, they'd slid across easily because of the lob pass. The sin bin - he turned slowly, but once he had, he did exactly the right thing, ensure your opponent doesn't score. He kept charging it when we needed energy, he worked his backside off.

There's more to being a winger other than scoring tries. Sure, Fusitua is well ahead of him, but Ken is a young kid who wasn't overawed. Often you see these young kids come in and sit back a bit, in fact I thought Ken did that a lot last year. Here when the going got tough he got amongst it.

I need to see him with a shot at the line to see how that part of his game has evolved. He's been scoring well in reserve grade and in that NSW rep game.

 

[Inruin]

Yet the obvious is the most frequently ignored or more so 'downed played.

Actually in in the false economony of attacking flair that is the Warriors, ...the truism that is the last four years is points coneeded....the for and against....forget the for....its the against.

Cappy gets it in the neck, so its timely after a crude game like that to ask the question, was it our recent shift in adjusting to the players preferred second phase game that got the result ? Or was it simple buy in to basic Aussie coaching style tennents (like kick penalties, make your tackles, do the boring stuff well).

I wager the difference between this game and the last two blow outs, is that when the Warriors have a defensive line in their faces (whether illegally like last night, or quassi Legally by the line speed of the better sides or the shallow ten meters granted to home teams) ....in such pressured conditions.....having 'out score the opposition mentality....is limiting this club.

The line in the sand, the foundation stone, has to be a bed Rock of defence.

No matter how many exciting players we throw into this team, no matter how rejigged the coaches plans are adapted to suit our so called Warrior ball, even seriously weakened teams can cynically disrupt a team that is so heavily reliant on second phase and running.

We won because the Roosters could only scrape together ten points.

Really looking forward to seeing what they do against the Sharks.

How much energy does it sap out of the opposition when we are offloading and getting second phase play? While it might not lead directly to a line break or points the effect of continually having to be on guard against us is just as big. More effort in defence also means less energy in attack. Perhaps this also contributed to a number of Roosters players not being able to get back onside and us gaining penalties and also possession/position from it.

I see a renewed focus from the players and the club in the last 3 weeks. Whether Origin time inspired or not, I am liking it. Better attitude and working for each other - in defence and attack

 

[Trugoy]

The play when he got smashed on tackle 1 then stuck his hand straight back up and took tackle 3 and earned us a penalty was massive.

Yeah man glad you pointed that out, that was impressive from Ken.

 

[Jay M]

There's more to being a winger other than scoring tries. Sure, Fusitua is well ahead of him, but Ken is a young kid who wasn't overawed. Often you see these young kids come in and sit back a bit, in fact I thought Ken did that a lot last year. Here when the going got tough he got amongst it.

Just thought it worth pointing out here on the "young kid" bit, that Ken is 3 months older than Fusitua. Not having a stab or anything there, people develop at different rates and they're obviously at very different stages of their development and bring different skill sets to the table.

I still think Fusitua is a natural wing, with potential to become a fullback or centre long term. Maumalo for me - is still a converted edge forward. He might have the temperament and ability to make it in first grade, but I still question whether or not wing is the most suitable position for him.

 

[Jordan G]

To the people that gave Maumalo either "passable" or "below average" tell me what game you watched, because I don't want to miss a Warriors game. Young buck, who made the most meters in the game, up and down the middle, he wasn't getting garbage meters out wide, against a big Roosters pack that were looking to intimidate for 80 minutes. The play when he got smashed on tackle 1 then stuck his hand straight back up and took tackle 3 and earned us a penalty was massive.

He was outstanding in a few areas, unfortunately a lot of those areas didn't involve being a winger. It's painfully obvious he's not a winger. Doesn't have the speed, doesn't have the positioning, this can directly relate to his struggle to catch a long ball. Quite surprised the Roosters spent all their time bombing Fusitua when Maumalo was right there on the other side.

Maumalo has the raw ingredients to be a fantastic backrower. He will never be a first class winger. At best it will be a slower Manu without the same try scoring ability.

He's got the mentality, determination and raw physical gifts to be a first grader, but not as a winger.

 

[Gizzyfan]

Yet the obvious is the most frequently ignored or more so 'downed played.

Actually in in the false economony of attacking flair that is the Warriors, ...the truism that is the last four years is points coneeded....the for and against....forget the for....its the against.

Cappy gets it in the neck, so its timely after a crude game like that to ask the question, was it our recent shift in adjusting to the players preferred second phase game that got the result ? Or was it simple buy in to basic Aussie coaching style tennents (like kick penalties, make your tackles, do the boring stuff well).

I wager the difference between this game and the last two blow outs, is that when the Warriors have a defensive line in their faces (whether illegally like last night, or quassi Legally by the line speed of the better sides or the shallow ten meters granted to home teams) ....in such pressured conditions.....having 'out score the opposition mentality....is limiting this club.

The line in the sand, the foundation stone, has to be a bed Rock of defence.

No matter how many exciting players we throw into this team, no matter how rejigged the coaches plans are adapted to suit our so called Warrior ball, even seriously weakened teams can cynically disrupt a team that is so heavily reliant on second phase and running.

We won because the Roosters could only scrape together ten points.

Really looking forward to seeing what they do against the Sharks.

Mate. you are talking my language, could not agree more. When you go though the squad and look at them from a defensive view you get a different picture. Wins like yesterday are gold because the whole squad has to play together and communicate while under pressure.

Defence is the benchmark because it takes attitude, Discipline, commitment and teamwork. All factors that are the foundations of a good team.

 

[Dunedin warrior]

I liked Maumolos attitude from what I saw of the game. In the past he has copped a but of criticism for being a little gun shy in contact despite his size. It looks like he has sorted that out and his carries were impressive. Like others I am unconvinced that he has the gas to be a true winger. Like to see him get another crack to see of he can build on yesterday's performance. Long term I would like to see him as primarily backrow bench and covering the backs as cover, I think Luke showed he can go 80 and at the rate our backs go down we need an outside back as cover on the bench.

 

[mode81]

Gutsy win boys. Proud of the heart and effort. Everyone had to man up to them and they did that. Was always going to be a slog fest and it proved to be just that.

Pleased with the ongoing development of Vete, Lisone and now Sipley. All three coming along nicely. A win for all the young fellas, this will help their development more then giving teams hidings in under 20's. Fusitua was solid, this kid gets it now. Maumalo looks like that power forward everyone wanted with Manu, looks like he enjoys the physicality.

Sipley played exceptionally well, courageous of the coaches to throw him in straight away when Vete went down but he stood his ground against JWH & Napa every hit up, solid as a rock.

Warriors can be proud of their defensive effort, this was a grind, this was a throwback type game and I thoroughly enjoyed every moment. Classic rugby league. Had to earn every crucial moment.

Mannering put some thunderous hits on them especially that first few sets he rocked JWH & Moa.. Making a statement type hits. Simon was brutal in this game.

The pack stood up to them. Luke's 5th tackle options were erratic but his but running game dynamic. Gubb's low tackles were great he really chopped them hard, new crowd favourite by the sounds.

Clutch play, who better then Shaun Johnson?.. cometh the hour type stuff, brilliant Shaun. Clearly see he's playing through injury, same as Tui but that's what makes these guys NRL players, all the greats played with injuries at stages.

Backs to the wall type win.. reshuffling, readjusting, refusing to give in. Battling and scraping your way to victory is probably the most satisfying win I've witnessed in McFadden's reign so I salute the coaches too. Holding them to 10 points in 80 minutes is a mighty effort by our players.

Keeping cool heads at the end. One SKD offload for a try but it went out. The guy who knocked it on near the end for them in a way symbolised victory to us, almost like a battle won moment. Thought the refs weren't too bad they officiated fairly. All in all very satisfied.

Heritage Jerseys looked bloody awesome too, they should be our main jerseys every week, every year, players looked slick.