Post Match NRL 2016 - Rnd 6 - Warriors vs Manly Post Match Discussion

[STEEDEN]

Has anyone seen any improvement from week 1 to week 6?

I think after 2 wins in a row I had talked myself into thinking that the Warriors were starting to finally click

and that good things were to come, but in fact we are still just playing as shitty as we have been all year and

we just happened to beat an equally poor team in the Knights on the day and were very lucky in the end to beat the Roosters.

So from week 1 to 6 I haven't any positive changes in our performances at all.

 

[surfin]

Apparently this was over heard in the sheds after the game.





I don't really like mocking the players but that's all I got left.

 

[Sup42]

I have avoided this thread for ground hog day reasons, I feel like I'm slowly dementing following these Warriors...I swear they make repetitive naggers out of us all.

Manly have the recipe on how to beat us.

They literally do. Step by step they know the exact template to beat the Warriors.

Before the ball is even Kicked, they understand the full picture, from the broad brush strokes, to the careful attention to detail.

My frustration is that they know how we play....while we seem to not understand ourselves (see Lillymans inane comments about I dunno why we didn't show up....he sounds like a donkey from an AA Milne classic when he talks....said exactly the same thing after the Tigers game).

Lillyman has been scratching his head since he first came here.

Broad picture stuff (wot Manly know and our players are too ignorant to accept) :

The Warriors can't defend for extended periods. Therefore, if you have the ball more often than them, they will not be able to keep you out. They will panic. They will lose.

It really is that simple.

No matter what the coach preps the Warriors for....broadly they can't stay in the game mentally when the other team has the ball...their attention waivers.

The Warriors are a confidence side who rely on a couple or three individuals to carry them in the donkey work. If you concentrate all your efforts of stopping those few select players....the rest are parasites....kill the host.....I think you know where this is going....tis why our lack of off the ball work sees us a soft target.

Perfect example, as mt.wellington pointed out....Manly chose to drive Ben Mutts back on tackle one. The rest of the game became about their territorial dominance.

When Manu is playing....Brisbane use the same tactic on him.

So...where we should have support runners for our forwards we do not move up in numbers. Where we should have a mindset to soak up the early dominance of Manly's aggression...and dig in....get into the grind with them.....we are too reactive to get the need to be patient.

Another broad stroke Manly understand, is that the Warriors kicking options are very limited. Pressure Johnson, force him to make long range field kicks....and he will struggle.

I call that the brains part of the machine....the playmakers.....when their forwards (the brawn) are struggling....it is up to the brain to find territory with their boot.


As a fan you are willing the forwards to run even harder....as if somehow that will magically make them bust Manlys three man gang tackles.

It won't.

Albert Vete made ground by virtue of avoiding the middle.

His best runs were on the edges.

So how do you overcome Manly's gang tackling ?

Offloading.

The Warriors unfortunately do not have enough off the ball drive to be there in support of the offloading runner...which leads to errors.

In fact our players are so far behind the lead runner, that when an offload is fired.....it lands on the grass....at about where the runner started his run in the first place....so yeah our offloads are so shit they lose us ground and the ball.

The other way to deal against being driven back is to surrender in the tackle, go low on contact, get yourself to the ground on your front.....fight in the play the ball (Hold the ball tight, no body resistance....bobble your head and kick feet....we all know the action)....put pressure on the Refs to call it....

Credit to some Warriors at least they tried to find a way around Manly's legendary wall.....credit to Manly....they are the best in the comp at it.

What needs to happen is that the off the ball work needs to go up a gear.

This is an individual responsibility....and where Players....not coaches....need shoulder the blame for our predicament.

Manly players get it....they have had several changes of coach in the time they have played us....yet the player understanding of how easy the Warriors are to 'out effort' is only matched by the obviousness of our own ignorance of our weakness.

We could learn a lot from Manly....not about how to be more like them....but how to be less like ourselves.

 

[Leaguegod]

We could have signed Matai. I don't understand the reluctance of the warriors to sign multiple year deals for senior players! we lost Tate because he wanted 3 years instead of 2 crikey quality centres deserve every penny. Kata will get there but he is twice the player when along side the beast! we could have got Chase Stanley I think our recruitment is all over the place and we don't offer enough in Job security. I will get shot down but are we sniffing around Benji? he is 3 years younger than JT surely we could snare him to 3 year deal! Vete should be front row and who would have thought Ligi Sao would so important to us. Our forwards got manhandled just showing how ineffective our back row is, Hoffman is very disappointing and Lillyman is clueless and now a liability on defence!! poor Issac is carrying an injury but I feel he should have been made captain and make ALL our calls when rucking it out then feeding Shaun Johnson on attack, all I can see to help us now is pushing Shaun Johnson in one and moving Lolo to 6 with TL on the bench and just sticking with it. that's it and one last thing that Wright is useless having 12 players is just the same as playing with him on the park.

 

[mt.wellington]

We could have signed Matai.

He was never going to come. Was just using us as a bargaining chip with Manly...

 

[Rick O'Shay]

Missing Persons;

Warriors;

Attitude
Commitment
Smarts

 

[Freddie Futler]

We could have signed Matai.

Sorry to piss on your parade LG but Matai's Manager used the Warriors TWICE to get a better deal at Manly.
Matai was never ever going to join the Warriors he just wanted more money at Manly.

If the Warriors had succeeded in getting him on their books he would have been a liability as the shit he gets away with playing for Manly would not have been tolerated if he was playing for us. He is a dirty cu**.

 

[Brother Faisal]

Gavin Reynolds was the lead ref
Maxwell was the ref's rep in the bunker
General Patton was the main bunker "ref"

Maxwell is corrupt, same with patton. its a reality that we just have to live with. these refs are untouchable so theres nothing we can do. we have to be so superior to are opposition or are opposition have to be so bad (knights and roosters) for us to win. so we need other teams to lose games for themselves as opposed to us winning games from them.

 

[KiwiWarrior]

The whole thing is bent
I don't know exactly why or who's paying who but NRL refereeing has been beyond inept for a long time now .
If nothing else it ruins good games for the sake of contriving the result

Who would want to come to the Warriors?
The wtf look on Hoffmans face spoke volumes
I actually think the team put in a good effort last nite under the circumstances

The press will read the result and belittle the warriors as usual

I love Kiwi league and the warriors but
In my opinion the NRL is a disgrace and they can all go and get fucked

 

[Eccawarrior]

Got back from the game grumpy - why

Mannering - jogging at the line while Manly forwards smash into it, honestly I don't think Mannering is much good anymore, Totally ineffective with ball in hand
Luke destroyed our ruck momentum, refused to run up the middle and created no platform for the forwards to run onto. He sucked big time.
Shaun Johnson - He wasnt on the park except for a couple of atrocious kicks. Disgusting first grade performance, simply put the most overrated non-performer in the game
Robson - Awful and predictable, real life performance of Jurassic park
Hurrell - why is he on the bench? what does he add with 25 mins left in the game. This proves Cappy cant coach and is a retard
Robson, Johnson, Luke and Johnson all on the field at the same time - Cappy cant coach
Lillyman - would of been a great player in the 80's. Sucks these days.
Wright - Made me realize how lucky the Warriors are to have a prop on the wing in vatuvei doing our forwards jobs for them.

Albert Vete, Kata and Lisone (a couple of times) were the only players to run hard up the guts.

Conclusion

Warriors actually suck HARD - they are indeed a shit team with shit players. They wont win shit this year.

Yeah Vatuvei gets way too many negative responses from our fans, at least he puts 100% effort into every single game, I can't remember any other player on our squad do what he does, no fear at all!

 

[olek_skillgannon]

manly with a new coach and a new halves pairing and they still beat the warriors
get rid of hoffman the guy sucks no skill no power no heart just soft hit ups soft tackles and lots of these its a shame he cant put that into his tackles or his running
why is robson still the halfback? let alone still in the playing 17?
the warriors can still get somewhere this season they just gotta sack crappy mcfappy is all

 

[noel1944]

Warriors overall are more worried about events away from the game, rather than earning their huge salaries, not worth watching consistent LOSERS!

 

[JoeyJohns]

Fucking retard Mcfadden and his use of the bench.
How many different fucking players played at 13 tonight ?
Why the fuck is Leuluai taking hit ups like a forward ?
Cant fucking have Robson, TL, and Luke on at the same time moron.

The only reason hookers take a hit up:
1. They receive quick 'play-the-ball' which we all know gives them easy metres.
2. No communication from the halves, therefore the hooker has no option but to take one for the team, which makes him look like a retard (not by choice).

 

[brightman]

I have avoided this thread for ground hog day reasons, I feel like I'm slowly dementing following these Warriors...I swear they make repetitive naggers out of us all.

yeah you already said that on the other page Grandad

 

[Sup42]

yeah you already said that on the other page Grandad

who came up with your nic ?

 

[jonno]

Our guys need to harden up and understand that the refs love to fuck us. That's just an ordinary every day part of our challenge. Who cares if Manly get an easy ride. That just makes them cowards for accepting it.

We need to accept the challenge the NRL is throwing at us and do the best we can to win with it.

If we had better ball security, better composure when the refs were fucking us, and given away less penalties we could have beaten Manly.

Then how does Manly feel. With all the help in the world from the refs and they still lose.


And we need to start speaking in code to the media about the refs fucking us.

ie: "It didn't matter which way the wind was blowing tonight, Manly always had it behind them."

or: "If Manly are afraid they can't beat us in a fair contest then they don't have to worry too much."

Can't get fined for those statement now can we. Much cheaper.

And if a cheeky reporter asks: "What did you mean by those statement, just give them some classic WB response. "I think anyone with half a brain knows what I meant."

 

[MarkW]

Well, that had to be one of the most frustrating and annoying Warriors games I have ever witnessed. The continous bungling on attack and lacklustre defence combined with some absolutely disgraceful officiating just made the whole affair painful to watch.

There were a couple of lights in the darkness though... one being Kata and his improving efforts and it was of course good to see Thomas L attack the line with some success (even if he isn't completely match fit yet). Hoffman tried to drive his team forward but to no avail.

Otherwise, pathetic.

 

[gREVUS]

Our guys need to harden up and understand that the refs love to fuck us. That's just an ordinary every day part of our challenge. Who cares if Manly get an easy ride. That just makes them cowards for accepting it.

We need to accept the challenge the NRL is throwing at us and do the best we can to win with it.

If we had better ball security, better composure when the refs were fucking us, and given away less penalties we could have beaten Manly.

Then how does Manly feel. With all the help in the world from the refs and they still lose.


And we need to start speaking in code to the media about the refs fucking us.

ie: "It didn't matter which way the wind was blowing tonight, Manly always had it behind them."

or: "If Manly are afraid they can't beat us in a fair contest then they don't have to worry too much."

Can't get fined for those statement now can we. Much cheaper.

And if a cheeky reporter asks: "What did you mean by those statement, just give them some classic WB response. "I think anyone with half a brain knows what I meant."

the thing is they didnt play well enough that complaining about the refs would come off as anything other than whinging. If it had been close they would have had a platform to stand on, but the reality was far from it.

Also unless your prepared to look at every play of the ball and check the distance on all of them, for both teams there is no way you can make a statement like you have about bias. The Bunker on the other hand was obviously shit and needs to be dealt with.

 

[jonno]

the thing is they didnt play well enough that complaining about the refs would come off as anything other than whinging. If it had been close they would have had a platform to stand on, but the reality was far from it.

Also unless your prepared to look at every play of the ball and check the distance on all of them, for both teams there is no way you can make a statement like you have about bias. The Bunker on the other hand was obviously shit and needs to be dealt with.

What that says to me is if the warriors start a game poorly the refs are free to take it away from us with 14 mtr retreats on every tackle...

But you're right. Someone would have to take a camera to each game and photo every play the ball.. Still I couldn't find one in the first half, of the ten or more shown by fox, that had the ref running us back the correct ten. It matches with freedys personal eye witness account from the stands of ref bias...

 

[gREVUS]

What that says to me is if the warriors start a game poorly the refs are free to take it away from us with 14 mtr retreats on every tackle...

But you're right. Someone would have to take a camera to each game and photo every play the ball.. Still I couldn't find one in the first half, of the ten or more shown by fox, that had the ref running us back the correct ten. It matches with freedys personal eye witness account from the stands of ref bias...

I dont deny thay they did us like a dinner, but you need every play to look at the numbers, taking a subset will never work.