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01 Jan 1970 12:00
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ToiletDuck

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As a very basic example of what I was talking about Sammy's depth with those set plays...

Look at where he is receiving the ball against the Titans, he's not as deep and gets it just just before he's about to hit the first defenders. Admittedly the defensive line is staggered but there's no time for them to adjust and with their lateral movement he's able to hit a hard running RFM who straightens and goes over. Look where he is in the bottom shot in comparison, he's much deeper and hence even though the defenders are moving laterally there is ample time to adjust to that play. If Choker was a competent defender, it achieves nothing.

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ToiletDuck

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I still can't work out what Konrad is doing here either. He rushes out of the line, but doesn't go after Soliola, certainly has no clue Wighton is about to receive the ball, and is miles away from his opposite number in Choker. So what exactly is he doing? That was a well worked play and it wasn't his fault as such, but it still baffles me.

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Inruin

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As a very basic example of what I was talking about Sammy's depth with those set plays...

Look at where he is receiving the ball against the Titans, he's not as deep and gets it just just before he's about to hit the first defenders. Admittedly the defensive line is staggered but there's no time for them to adjust and with their lateral movement he's able to hit a hard running RFM who straightens and goes over. Look where he is in the bottom shot in comparison, he's much deeper and hence even though the defenders are moving laterally there is ample time to adjust to that play. If Choker was a competent defender, it achieves nothing.

looks to me like ST is receiving the ball in about the same spot in both frames. Its a well worked play IMO. If a defender rushes up as in the Titans example he gets exploited, if they don't then ST has time to pick his spot. I think our attack is just about clicking and getting it right now. Our right edge defence is the biggest concern we have at present with Shaun Johnson and Konrad next to each other.
 
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Inruin

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I still can't work out what Konrad is doing here either. He rushes out of the line, but doesn't go after Soliola, certainly has no clue Wighton is about to receive the ball, and is miles away from his opposite number in Choker. So what exactly is he doing? That was a well worked play and it wasn't his fault as such, but it still baffles me.

Konrad takes no one. His opposite centre is outside him forcing Lolohea to come in creating an overlap and Shaun Johnson is having to take the second rower creating big man on small. I'm baffled too.
 
I still can't work out what Konrad is doing here either. He rushes out of the line, but doesn't go after Soliola, certainly has no clue Wighton is about to receive the ball, and is miles away from his opposite number in Choker. So what exactly is he doing? That was a well worked play and it wasn't his fault as such, but it still baffles me.


For mine if you watch the live footage looks like Konnie's anticipating Wighton to get it on an out the back play and is rushing up early to cut it off. However Wighton ends up (probably because of Konnie already being up in the line, or maybe it was a pre determined move who knows) takes an inside ball off the front runner instead and scores. Unfortunately its Bodene who comes up with a pretty bad miss on this occasion. Nice quick hands from the Raiders to be fair.
 
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As a very basic example of what I was talking about Sammy's depth with those set plays...

Look at where he is receiving the ball against the Titans, he's not as deep and gets it just just before he's about to hit the first defenders. Admittedly the defensive line is staggered but there's no time for them to adjust and with their lateral movement he's able to hit a hard running RFM who straightens and goes over. Look where he is in the bottom shot in comparison, he's much deeper and hence even though the defenders are moving laterally there is ample time to adjust to that play. If Choker was a competent defender, it achieves nothing.
Just looking at the bottom pic, if ST cuts left there, Warriors are 8 on 6 on the other side of the field
 
Thank fuck we've still got something to complain about... Was looking like two long weeks of dulldrums for a minute....shocking positional play...

On another note... Out and about in Auckland and I've never seen so many warriors jersies....
 
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Thank fuck we've still got something to complain about... Was looking like two long weeks of dulldrums for a minute....shocking positional play...

On another note... Out and about in Auckland and I've never seen so many warriors jersies....
Don't forget Manu's two errors - otherwise I'd be really concerned for your safety ;)
 
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Thank fuck we've still got something to complain about... Was looking like two long weeks of dulldrums for a minute....shocking positional play...

On another note... Out and about in Auckland and I've never seen so many warriors jersies....
A good thing to complain about though little intricacies in our set plays instead of missed tackles and poor handling.;)

Besides last week we spent the week debating an offside ruling after winning the game quite convincingly. The rest of the league community or media had moved on with "he went back 10 metres; a bit of an odd ruling that one" and moved on. I would have liked Tony Archer quizzed on the out of play point from the rule book. If it had cost us the game I'd have written a letter to the NRL; well I'm lazy so I'd at least consider writing a letter or complain about it on here.:D
 
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A good thing to complain about though little intricacies in our set plays instead of missed tackles and poor handling.;)

Besides last week we spent the week debating an offside ruling after winning the game quite convincingly. The rest of the league community or media had moved on with "he went back 10 metres; a bit of an odd ruling that one" and moved on. I would have liked Tony Archer quizzed on the out of play point from the rule book. If it had cost us the game I'd have written a letter to the NRL; well I'm lazy so I'd at least consider writing a letter or complain about it on here.:D

Damn right there, only six pages this week. Amazing what a constructive win will do. What strikes me is the statement from Cappy that all of a sudden they've figured out what works for them (pressure, in goal kicks etc) Would have thought that's league 101 and what most on here have been screaming about for the last 12 months or so.
 
A few things I'm noticing, because as much as Cappy will talk about the penny dropping, which to me suggests a patience or attitude thing, there's been a definite change in strategy...

1) Less up and unders, more plugging the in goals and corners
2) The halves are going more direct. Earlier in the year if nothing was happening Shaun Johnson would travel across field and try to take a man on their outside. He still does it sometimes, but generally he's north to south at the moment
3) More drop offs to the backrowers to cart it back to the middle if nothing is on, previously they'd keep travelling outwards
4) More dummy half runs

Perhaps they're aligned with the fact we are controlling possession very well, but I sense a more rigid plan rather an expression of off the cuff footy which we saw earlier. Keep it going I say, because I think if we can keep it going there really aren't too many teams who can hang with us.
 
A few things I'm noticing, because as much as Cappy will talk about the penny dropping, which to me suggests a patience or attitude thing, there's been a definite change in strategy...

1) Less up and unders, more plugging the in goals and corners
2) The halves are going more direct. Earlier in the year if nothing was happening Shaun Johnson would travel across field and try to take a man on their outside. He still does it sometimes, but generally he's north to south at the moment
3) More drop offs to the backrowers to cart it back to the middle if nothing is on, previously they'd keep travelling outwards
4) More dummy half runs

Perhaps they're aligned with the fact we are controlling possession very well, but I sense a more rigid plan rather an expression of off the cuff footy which we saw earlier. Keep it going I say, because I think if we can keep it going there really aren't too many teams who can hang with us.
I think that's right. The structures they've spent last year and all off season are finally becoming second nature, and that's allowing more free thinking play off the back of it....

Its when the pressure comes on that we need the familiar structure to keep us in the grind. Then when the game opens up again we can play more freestyle....

Its not a matter of one or the other....
 
I still can't work out what Konrad is doing here either. He rushes out of the line, but doesn't go after Soliola, certainly has no clue Wighton is about to receive the ball, and is miles away from his opposite number in Choker. So what exactly is he doing? That was a well worked play and it wasn't his fault as such, but it still baffles me.

He was using the old vertical defense line technique.

It's an old technique that hasn't been in use in Rugby League for over 120 years now... Yes I'm pretty sure the last time it was used was before the game was invented over there in Northen England back in 1895... That's why we don't recognize it... I think Bluey McClennan wants to see the Warriors bring it back into their game plan... Inspired vision by Konrad really...

I still don't know how our line failed to hold on this occasion...