General New Zealand Politics

If there was an election today, who would you vote for?

  • National

    Votes: 7 10.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 24 37.5%
  • Greens

    Votes: 6 9.4%
  • NZ First

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Act

    Votes: 13 20.3%
  • New Conservative Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • None of then

    Votes: 10 15.6%

  • Total voters
    64

wizards rage

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Apr 18, 2016
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Do you think that Tenby Powell was the answer and how the fuck did he get elected when it was obvious that he was never going to succeed.
The council was pretty toxic with a real interesting spread of people. He wasn’t a leader to get everyone together. Lots of talk, little action. Tauranga has had a series of bad decisions combined with huge pressure from growth. To much growth for rates to handle.

Council decisions take years to run through. This council still went ahead with the Cameron road money pit, changing to the rubbish bins that I overflow every week (when I gets collected every 2 weeks 🤣). These are still all last councils decisions that the current council is rubber stamping. I haven’t seen much new stuff from them.
 
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john nick

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Mar 28, 2020
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The council was pretty toxic with a real interesting spread of people. He wasn’t a leader to get everyone together. Lots of talk, little action. Tauranga has had a series of bad decisions combined with huge pressure from growth. To much growth for rates to handle.

Council decisions take years to run through. This council still went ahead with the Cameron road money pit, changing to the rubbish bins that I overflow every week (when I gets collected every 2 weeks 🤣). These are still all last councils decisions that the current council is rubber stamping. I haven’t seen much the time and my
 

Geoff Public

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Dec 7, 2018
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Honest question but can anyone tell me when centralisation of anything in this country has ever been a success and provided savings to the population?
It hasn't been good. But I would argue that privatization of SOEs has been worse.
I don't believe this is the same. This is about the transfer of ownership of resources and the management of them by Govt. appointed groups
 
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Rick O'Shay

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May 1, 2013
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New Plymouth
It hasn't been good. But I would argue that privatization of SOEs has been worse.
I don't believe this is the same. This is about the transfer of ownership of resources and the management of them by Govt. appointed groups
Can't disagree with SOE's. The electricity industry is a good case in point. It seems very capitalist in a socialist govt (at any time) that the SOE has to make a profit for the govt instead of benefiting the people who paid for (and continue to maintain) the asset.

The second part of your reply is the killer. Govt appointed groups aka centralisation.

Thanks for coming Nanaia but we don't need you here

 

john nick

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Mar 28, 2020
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Can't disagree with SOE's. The electricity industry is a good case in point. It seems very capitalist in a socialist govt (at any time) that the SOE has to make a profit for the govt instead of benefiting the people who paid for (and continue to maintain) the asset.

The second part of your reply is the killer. Govt appointed groups aka centralisation.

Thanks for coming Nanaia but we don't need you here

Surely we can all see that we are over governed and have too many noses in the trough. Nothing has been spent or put aside for infrastructure over many years and the time has come for something to be done proactively to correct the problem. Councils have failed this country for years.
 

Rick O'Shay

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May 1, 2013
4,903
New Plymouth
Surely we can all see that we are over governed and have too many noses in the trough. Nothing has been spent or put aside for infrastructure over many years and the time has come for something to be done proactively to correct the problem. Councils have failed this country for years.
Yes we are over governed but only a small part of that is by councils. They are very restricted in what they can and can't do by govt.

Infrastructure is always a big cost and requires debt. Problem these days is that no one wants to pay.

Your council is a good example of how it can go wrong and the govt has to step in. Not sure how successful that's been either?

In my view, the major problems with councils are that they are becoming political animals and struggle to have an overarching unbiased view of what is good for all their constituents. Wellington council is one such entity where the greens in particular have a large bloc which influences policy. Hence, you may get another 20km of cyleways instead of a new sewage pump.

Ours here however, have been pretty good and I'm sure there are a few more in the 67 who are doing ok. The days of Joe the butcher going onto council because it's good for business are rapidly vanishing and still only exist in small localities

I live in the country so have a septic tank and rely on rainwater but have served a term on council many years ago. It ain't easy.
 

Geoff Public

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Dec 7, 2018
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Can't disagree with SOE's. The electricity industry is a good case in point. It seems very capitalist in a socialist govt (at any time) that the SOE has to make a profit for the govt instead of benefiting the people who paid for (and continue to maintain) the asset.

The second part of your reply is the killer. Govt appointed groups aka centralisation.

Thanks for coming Nanaia but we don't need you here

Nice try but I'm not interested in letting anyone scribble on my face. As for the rest , you misunderstood it all. I'm sure that happens a lot for you.
I stand by what I said which is its about the ownership. You're right that in a lot of cases communities will be worse off than they are now, but this Government is driven by ideology, so they don't care. And we will all suffer because of it.
 
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wizards rage

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Apr 18, 2016
5,084
Tauranga
‘A government working group has presented a new proposal for Auckland Light Rail at more than ten times the original cost and well-behind initial timeframes.’

Wow… and that’s before they even start and get the usual cost and time blowouts 😖 With record govt debt, is this the time to spend an exorbitant amount of money on a want not a need?

The $4.4b CRL (central rail line) has already pushed Auckland Councils debt limit to the max and putting pressure on its budget. Big Money!

 
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Rick O'Shay

Warriors 1st Grader
May 1, 2013
4,903
New Plymouth
Nice try but I'm not interested in letting anyone scribble on my face. As for the rest , you misunderstood it all. I'm sure that happens a lot for you.
I stand by what I said which is its about the ownership. You're right that in a lot of cases communities will be worse off than they are now, but this Government is driven by ideology, so they don't care. And we will all suffer because of it.
Haha, there seems to be a general misunderstanding and no it doesn't happen a lot to me.

The Nanaia comment wasn't directed at you. It was a reflection of her blase attitude to democracy in NZ.

As for the rest, I think you'll find I'm agreeing with you.

And lastly, it's called a Moko Kauae
 

Inruin

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May 19, 2012
10,530
Auckland
‘A government working group has presented a new proposal for Auckland Light Rail at more than ten times the original cost and well-behind initial timeframes.’

Wow… and that’s before they even start and get the usual cost and time blowouts 😖 With record govt debt, is this the time to spend an exorbitant amount of money on a want not a need?

The $4.4b CRL (central rail line) has already pushed Auckland Councils debt limit to the max and putting pressure on its budget. Big Money!

What was that? New hospital announcement? No, just light rail again.
 

snake77

Warriors 1st Grader
Jul 12, 2013
10,096
Auckland
‘A government working group has presented a new proposal for Auckland Light Rail at more than ten times the original cost and well-behind initial timeframes.’

Wow… and that’s before they even start and get the usual cost and time blowouts 😖 With record govt debt, is this the time to spend an exorbitant amount of money on a want not a need?

The $4.4b CRL (central rail line) has already pushed Auckland Councils debt limit to the max and putting pressure on its budget. Big Money!

You add all of the money wasted on this along with KiwiBuild and you have a serious amount of money wasted. Phil Twyford pretty much spent the previous term in government having meetings, getting things pitched to him, making big promises and wasting money.

Both of these election promises had no planning behind them on how they would work.

KiwiBuild went through as an election promise for about 2-3 election cycles. People say they tried to fix the high house prices. Try is something you say to your kids when they are trying to learn to ride a bike or learn to read. It doesn't cost millions of dollars.

The Light Rail was originally supposed to be finished in 2020. Then it was delayed due to covid. That would be logical as a lot of things have been delayed due to covid. Delayed would of been more if it was ready to go and the start of the build was moved, not still being planned.

The articles still have Light Rail to the airport. Labour came out saying it was never an air port transport but a potential stop even though they have previously sold it as that.

I know NZ First would of been a roadblock but it still hasn't got past any planning.

I do feel sorry for the ministers taking over from Twyford they have inherited a mess at least the other portfolios they can shift the blame on previous governments like they have been doing.
 

Inruin

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May 19, 2012
10,530
Auckland
You add all of the money wasted on this along with KiwiBuild and you have a serious amount of money wasted. Phil Twyford pretty much spent the previous term in government having meetings, getting things pitched to him, making big promises and wasting money.

Both of these election promises had no planning behind them on how they would work.

KiwiBuild went through as an election promise for about 2-3 election cycles. People say they tried to fix the high house prices. Try is something you say to your kids when they are trying to learn to ride a bike or learn to read. It doesn't cost millions of dollars.

The Light Rail was originally supposed to be finished in 2020. Then it was delayed due to covid. That would be logical as a lot of things have been delayed due to covid. Delayed would of been more if it was ready to go and the start of the build was moved, not still being planned.

The articles still have Light Rail to the airport. Labour came out saying it was never an air port transport but a potential stop even though they have previously sold it as that.

I know NZ First would of been a roadblock but it still hasn't got past any planning.

I do feel sorry for the ministers taking over from Twyford they have inherited a mess at least the other portfolios they can shift the blame on previous governments like they have been doing.
You forgot 'sky bridge'


Though if you say sky bridge really fast it sounds exactly like kiwi build.
 

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