General New Zealand Politics

[eudebrito]

It's a bit weird the blues keep coming up with God botherers to lead them, no offence to any Christians out there, but the media and the opinonated voting public are a very secular lot, Luxon would be quickly turned on if he can't bury the born again stuff.

Key was so popular not cos he was successful and rich, but he was successful, rich and normal

 

[Worried2Death]

It's a bit weird the blues keep coming up with God botherers to lead them, no offence to any Christians out there, but the media and the opinonated voting public are a very secular lot, Luxon would be quickly turned on if he can't bury the born again stuff.

Key was so popular not cos he was successful and rich, but he was successful rich and normal

He's not a fundamentalist born again type. He's Catholic, they have their own PR probs, main one being convincing voters it's not a pedo ring.

 

[PullinTeeth]

He's not a fundamentalist born again type. He's Catholic, they have their own PR probs, main one being convincing voters it's not a pedo ring.

We all know it's a pedo ring, but the problem is all blue voters dont give a fuck

 

[wrighty]

We all know it's a pedo ring, but the problem is all blue voters dont give a fuck

Jim Bolger was a Catholic and the country was ok with that.
ALL of the US presidents are religious...eg Barack Obama, Trump, Both Bush's

Ardern is raised Mormon but turned her back on it 2005 and now claims to be agnostic. Many observers feel her values are traceable to her religious roots.

Ardern felt a disconnect in part based on the religious condemnation of gay people.

On Arden was watching her past speeches today on Youtube and she is mesmorising as a speaker. Muller has no chance against the Ardern Juggernaut. Consensus amongst randoms I spoke to today is the woman, Kaye, could take Ardern down as she is a real survivor, having fought cancer successfully, and it translates into charisma and makes her inspirational to a degree. Muller is being seen as opportunistic and "wants-to-be-in-charge" rather than someone who wants to serve the National Party's best interests of winning.

 

[mrblonde]

You've got to wonder why the hell Muller didn't look at those poll results and give Bridges his undying support, then after the election roll the man. This looks like the political version of screaming "GIVE ME THE BALL!!" as you see the biggest, ugliest meanest prop line you up and start moving in your direction....

Arden could murder a cute labrador puppy in cold blood right now and most of the media would report it as "inspirational New Zealand leader saves neighbour from psychotic dog!" Of course, you could probably say the same thing about Muller and Mike Hosking...In general, most media outlets hang their political flags out quite plainly these days.

 

[Miket12]

Key was so popular not cos he was successful and rich, but he was successful rich and normal

Here’s the difference, as I see it, between Key and Bridges: Key went to a West Coast pub, had a drink with the locals and became a hero. If Bridges went to the same pub, he’d be out the back looking at it’s liquor license.

 

[wizards rage]

. Muller is being seen as opportunistic and "wants-to-be-in-charge" rather than someone who wants to serve the National Party's best interests of winning.

I wonder if Muller thinks he has a realistic chance or it is damage control, do what Labour did last election, bring in a fresh face with a new positive message and it could get them competitive.

Politics is a lot about cycles and timing. Traditionally parties are given more than one term in NZ.

The leader of the opposition is waiting for the government to make mistakes. Many good labour leaders ended up looking negative and getting rolled against Key; Bridges get the same result in the same role. Incumbents lose elections or the economy wipes them out... oppositions rarely win.

I actually wonder if it was the intention of Bridges to be leader at the election or if he was a place holder. We are in his electorate and met him at a school event with my kids just after he took over. I said to my kids in front of him, this man might one day be the Prime Minister and his response at the time made me think he knew he would never be...

 

[wizards rage]

Nobody wants it because it will be short term just so the election isn’t a landslide. Everybody knows luxon is being groomed to take over but they couldn’t put a leader in that hasn’t even been through an election yet. Once he takes the botany seat he will rise through the ranks.

He’s 3 years away yet. Will need to prove himself with portfolios and gain experience. Key did a term and fought an election as finance minister before taking the top job.

 

[Juju]

You've got to wonder why the hell Muller didn't look at those poll results and give Bridges his undying support, then after the election roll the man. This looks like the political version of screaming "GIVE ME THE BALL!!" as you see the biggest, ugliest meanest prop line you up and start moving in your direction....

Arden could murder a cute labrador puppy in cold blood right now and most of the media would report it as "inspirational New Zealand leader saves neighbour from psychotic dog!" Of course, you could probably say the same thing about Muller and Mike Hosking...In general, most media outlets hang their political flags out quite plainly these days.

I'm sure part of his motivation was opportunistic in that he knew there would be stronger contenders for the leadership after the election...

Also on those poll results lots of MPs were going to lose there jobs - basically because Bridges was so unlikable - something had to be done.

 

[Noitall]

Jim Bolger was a Catholic and the country was ok with that.
ALL of the US presidents are religious...eg Barack Obama, Trump, Both Bush's

Ardern is raised Mormon but turned her back on it 2005 and now claims to be agnostic. Many observers feel her values are traceable to her religious roots.

Ardern felt a disconnect in part based on the religious condemnation of gay people.

On Arden was watching her past speeches today on Youtube and she is mesmorising as a speaker. Muller has no chance against the Ardern Juggernaut. Consensus amongst randoms I spoke to today is the woman, Kaye, could take Ardern down as she is a real survivor, having fought cancer successfully, and it translates into charisma and makes her inspirational to a degree. Muller is being seen as opportunistic and "wants-to-be-in-charge" rather than someone who wants to serve the National Party's best interests of winning.

I read somewhere yesterday todd muller is anti abortion and supports a lot of trumps policies. Not sure how true this is. Also read Nikki Kaye was spotted out at a restaurant with destiny church leaders. If these are true could see a real religious undertone coming through.

 

[bruce]

He's not a fundamentalist born again type. He's Catholic, they have their own PR probs, main one being convincing voters it's not a pedo ring.

He doesn't spout it. A person is entitled to his beliefs. I have very good Catholic friends who still go to church every week, even though that is mainly the realm of Filipinos now. They are still my friends and I respect and value their friendship but I have to bite my lip to keep my strong dislike for Catholicism in check. I just write it off that they have been less able to recover from the brainwashing than I have. So Muller will get my vote.

 

[bruce]

I read somewhere yesterday todd muller is anti abortion and supports a lot of trumps policies. Not sure how true this is. Also read Nikki Kaye was spotted out at a restaurant with destiny church leaders. If these are true could see a real religious undertone coming through.

Mixing with wankers like Destiny is basically kissing baby stuff these days. They gotta go where the money is. However it was one thing that really pissed me off about Bridges sucking up to them as well. I cannot see Muller getting involved with that shite.

 

[wrighty]

Mixing with wankers like Destiny is basically kissing baby stuff these days. They gotta go where the money is. However it was one thing that really pissed me off about Bridges sucking up to them as well. I cannot see Muller getting involved with that shite.

FWIW yesterday Muller came across better than Bridges.

 

[Mr Brownstone]

It will be interesting to see how quickly Labour’s popularity mean reverts as public focus shifts from the Covid-19 pedestal that Ardern has used to full effect to the horrible economic outlook we face. Probably not quick enough to make a contest of the upcoming election however Muller seems to be making the right noises so far.

 

[defensivebomb]

I wouldn’t get too carried away with reading the polls. Look at how well they predicted the voting for brexit, trump and adern

 

[dean]

If Muller was the best person to lead National, they are opposition for a long time. A bland christian only slightly less geeky than Bridges. Waiting in the wings is Luxton, another bible basher salivating at the chance to impose his morals on us.
I am in my early 60's but I don't want a political leader who is a throw back to 1950's or 60's morality. Nikki Kaye looked the obvious choice.

 

[brightman]

If Muller was the best person to lead National, they are opposition for a long time. A bland christian only slightly less geeky than Bridges. Waiting in the wings is Luxton, another bible basher salivating at the chance to impose his morals on us.
I am in my early 60's but I don't want a political leader who is a throw back to 1950's or 60's morality. Nikki Kaye looked the obvious choice.

How ironic is it that in South Auckland where Labour dominate, the numbers of churches flourish and the constituency happily "donate" on sundays..

Practising religiously at church is a far cry from an having good morals from a sound upbringing. Also I never caught the name of the church Jesus attended in his time on earth..

 

[Noitall]

How ironic is it that in South Auckland where Labour dominate, the numbers of churches flourish and the constituency happily "donate" on sundays..

Practising religiously at church is a far cry from an having good morals from a sound upbringing. Also I never caught the name of the church Jesus attended in his time on earth..

Staggering that some people can beat their wives during the week and go to church on Sunday and think all is good in the world.

 

[surfin]

I've not paid any real attention to the leadership change, still have no idea who the new guy is and I won't bother trying to hard to do any homework on him. I've got a few months of actual performance to watch before I'm too worried about forming an opinion.

A few weeks ago I posted I thought Labour would win the next election due to the virus and it's handling and I don't know if that will change much, but as for current polls, like was pointed out earlier, is there anyone here that knows anyone that has been even asked their opinion. I would think there would be a pretty large cross section of opinions, political leanings and geographical areas on this site but if no one here has been asked I'm wondering who may have been.

What was National polling this week, 29% or something like that? Obviously not great but still actually higher than Labour polled to become the government, so I wouldn't be so sure this is a done deal in a few months. Winnie loves to get his baubles polished and doesn't really care who's got the chamois, especially now all the ones he didn't like in National have been moved on. Plus if we continue to see mass redundancies ala Fletchers and Air NZ etc people are going to want workable, achievable solutions, not outrageous unachievable plans like Kiwibuild . We are also seeing more and more stories in the media as the fear goes away, of peoples concerns about other things like their businesses, jobs and postponed medical treatments etc. Which potentially will cause a backlash.

Plus virtually everything that was an issue at the last election indicates Labour has made little headway, we don't have anywhere near the number of houses promised, homelessness is still a huge problem, poverty levels are as bad as they have ever been, domestic violence continues unabated and suicide is the highest its ever been, so without Covid to take away everyones attention the government in reality made little progress in any of their targeted issues. So again anyone capable of looking beyond Covid doesn't exactly see too much success on offer.

 

[surfin]

The issue with what you're saying is that it's not the Prime Ministers fault people lost their jobs.

No she is not, neither is the rest of the Labour party or anyone from National, but as PM she will be responsible for fixing it for them, so lets all hope shes as amazing as you believe.