jonno
I don't know why we'd want a covered roof. Our shit weather gives us an advantage over everyone who's used to the hot dry world that is Australia.
Maybe we should put in a snow machine...
Maybe we should put in a snow machine...
InsideBall
Suncorp is still the best stadium I've been to in the world, especially for league. The way the pitch almost feels elevated, and there's virtually no bad seats... If we came close to replicating that, it'd be the best stadium in the country for rectangle field codes.
surfin
bruce
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Bit of a hike from the bus terminal and railway station, suits the Shore boys though
Miket12
The fundamental problem with the old Waterfront proposal is that the most prime piece of real estate in the CBD was going to used, not for people to enjoy the view, but to have a structure whose main purpose is an internal view to the events taking place in it.
bruce
Contributor
Miket12
No, I'd try and have it as open as possible - pretty such as what has been proposed for the Tank Farm. IMO, the cloud has served it's function and it's time for it to move on.
STEEDEN
CBD stadium back on table
A new football stadium in downtown Auckland is back in play, a decade after the city's politicians and rugby establishment said no to a stadium on the waterfront.
The Warriors have secured their future at Mt Smart Stadium until 2028 and sometime after that Eden Park will need major investment with nothing set aside in the bank.
Chris Brooks, the council boss charged with salvaging the city's troubled stadiums strategy, says there is a view the city needs to decide whether to reinvest in Eden Park or build a new stadium.
Warriors managing director Jim Doyle wants a stadium as the home of rugby, league and football in the heart of the city.
The transport was really good and a stadium would create a vibrancy in the centre of town that Melbourne already enjoys, said Mr Doyle.
Eden Park Trust Board chairman Doug McKay was unaware of talk about a new stadium, but hoped to be part of any future conversation.
Eden Park, he said, could cover its interest bill and running costs but could not put aside depreciation funding of about $7 million to $8 million a year for future work.
"What that means in [10 or 20 years'] time when you need an upgrade is you have to go cap in hand to the Government and the council," he said.
Mr McKay said the board was hugely disappointed at being shut out of the stadium strategy, which has resulted in the Warriors staying at Mt Smart Stadium until 2028.
The first incarnation of the strategy in 2012 called for the Warriors to move to Eden Park, an unpopular choice with the club and fans. A proposal in 2014 to move to QBE Stadium in Albany, far from the league heartlands in West and South Auckland, was greeted with equal opposition.
Mr McKay said the stadium strategy was in tatters with surplus assets eating their heads off and nobody making the hard decisions to rationalise and make the city's stadiums fit for purpose.
Mr Brooks, the Regional Facilities Auckland boss who took over the stalled strategy from his predecessor Robert Domm, described the latest outcome as pragmatic.
The early plans, he said, were probably not achievable but a "refresh" and longer-term process would achieve the right outcome.
Other changes include an extension for speedway to remain at Western Springs until 2019, by which time an alternative site at Colin Dale motorsport park in South Auckland or an undisclosed site in the north is found.
About $12 million is budgeted for a new cricket ground at Western Springs and a $12 million makeover of QBE Stadium will proceed, but the original work programme has been put back from now until after the World Masters Games next year.
In 2006, Rugby World Cup Minister Trevor Mallard offered to pay $500 million for a national stadium on the waterfront.
The Eden Park rugby establishment campaigned against the idea and lobbied for an eventual $250 million worth of improvements for the 2011 Rugby World Cup. The city's regional council rejected the idea and the former Auckland City Council wanted the stadium on a different site.
The Eden Park rugby establishment campaigned against the idea and lobbied for an eventual $250 million worth of improvements for the 2011 Rugby World Cup. The city's regional council rejected the idea and the former Auckland City Council wanted the stadium on a different site.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11605561
A new football stadium in downtown Auckland is back in play, a decade after the city's politicians and rugby establishment said no to a stadium on the waterfront.
The Warriors have secured their future at Mt Smart Stadium until 2028 and sometime after that Eden Park will need major investment with nothing set aside in the bank.
Chris Brooks, the council boss charged with salvaging the city's troubled stadiums strategy, says there is a view the city needs to decide whether to reinvest in Eden Park or build a new stadium.
Warriors managing director Jim Doyle wants a stadium as the home of rugby, league and football in the heart of the city.
The transport was really good and a stadium would create a vibrancy in the centre of town that Melbourne already enjoys, said Mr Doyle.
Eden Park Trust Board chairman Doug McKay was unaware of talk about a new stadium, but hoped to be part of any future conversation.
Eden Park, he said, could cover its interest bill and running costs but could not put aside depreciation funding of about $7 million to $8 million a year for future work.
"What that means in [10 or 20 years'] time when you need an upgrade is you have to go cap in hand to the Government and the council," he said.
Mr McKay said the board was hugely disappointed at being shut out of the stadium strategy, which has resulted in the Warriors staying at Mt Smart Stadium until 2028.
The first incarnation of the strategy in 2012 called for the Warriors to move to Eden Park, an unpopular choice with the club and fans. A proposal in 2014 to move to QBE Stadium in Albany, far from the league heartlands in West and South Auckland, was greeted with equal opposition.
Mr McKay said the stadium strategy was in tatters with surplus assets eating their heads off and nobody making the hard decisions to rationalise and make the city's stadiums fit for purpose.
Mr Brooks, the Regional Facilities Auckland boss who took over the stalled strategy from his predecessor Robert Domm, described the latest outcome as pragmatic.
The early plans, he said, were probably not achievable but a "refresh" and longer-term process would achieve the right outcome.
Other changes include an extension for speedway to remain at Western Springs until 2019, by which time an alternative site at Colin Dale motorsport park in South Auckland or an undisclosed site in the north is found.
About $12 million is budgeted for a new cricket ground at Western Springs and a $12 million makeover of QBE Stadium will proceed, but the original work programme has been put back from now until after the World Masters Games next year.
In 2006, Rugby World Cup Minister Trevor Mallard offered to pay $500 million for a national stadium on the waterfront.
The Eden Park rugby establishment campaigned against the idea and lobbied for an eventual $250 million worth of improvements for the 2011 Rugby World Cup. The city's regional council rejected the idea and the former Auckland City Council wanted the stadium on a different site.
The Eden Park rugby establishment campaigned against the idea and lobbied for an eventual $250 million worth of improvements for the 2011 Rugby World Cup. The city's regional council rejected the idea and the former Auckland City Council wanted the stadium on a different site.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11605561
bruce
Contributor
They made it their problem in 2006, then they tried to lumber the Warriors with it. Thanks to JD it is their problem again and they have no option but to do something about it. Eden Park is history.
Lord Gnome of Howick MBE
Not sure what to make of all this......it was the Eden Park board who convinces the government not to build a waterfront stadium and now they are saying that they cannot afford to maintain Eden Park......do they want another bailout package?
bruce
Contributor
They have to have one, the ground isn't earning enough for the upkeep.
gREVUS
Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies
Contributor
Anuone remember what the final bill for eden park was? Pretty sure it was well over the 250 mill figure quoted.
mt.wellington
Warriors Orange Peeler
Lord Gnome of Howick MBE
bruce
Contributor
Yes
Certainly John Key seems lukewarm.
To be fair to the decision not to move to the waterfront back in 2006 was not as stupid as it might seem now. They were short of time and those hurried jobs tend to go way over budget, especially one off sports stadiums. It wasn't really a runner and Helen Clark should have thoughtof that when she promised government support to the IRB.
I am just glad the Warriors are off the hook.
snake77
This is exactly my thought on the debate back then. They won the bid on upgrading Eden Park but we had about a year and a half it seemed where no work was done but the designs got more elaborate to the point it was getting to expensive. Then we had another 6 months or so arguing about upgrading vs new. Our media loves to report on various countries struggling to get stadiums ready on time for big events like the Olympics. We would have pushing the deadline big time; especially as the IRB wanted the venue used for a game before the tournament.
Some of the quotes from the Chairman it sure sounds like it. They couldn't afford to upgrade it before the world cup now they have a huge debt and like the guy Chris Brooks said at some point it will need more work. It shouldn't be up to the government or the council to fun a privately owned stadium; especially when they can veto any proposed changes they don't like.
Doyle and this guy Chris Brooks from RFA speak a lot of sense. We are in a lot better position than we were last year where it seemed the club was being bullied into a deal that wouldn't work for the club and the RFA moving ahead with plans that most rate payers didn't like.
snake77
The last time the CBD stadium came up there was a cool design going around that looked like Suncorp but with maori designs on the outside.
The people promoting Eden Park were saying it was like Suncorp in-terms of location being in a residential area and being able to walk from the city. From what I can remember from walking from the Brisbane CBD to Suncorp it is a lot more pleasant of a walk and the weather it Brisbane is more reliable. In Auckland it's probably changed five or six times during your hike up Queen Street. Suncorp also didn't feel like it was in a residential area with all of the flat spaces around the stadium compared to Eden Park with houses right next to it.
Screw the location we want a purpose built stadium like Suncorp.
I know Doyle favours a 30-40 thousand seat stadium and bigger games could be played at Eden Park. That would still require maintenance etc on Eden Park. They need to decide on the capacity either 50k like Suncorp or bigger if they want to get the rugby world cup back here. A design like Suncorp allows for the top tiers to be shut off and only opened if the crowd requires it.
bruce
Contributor
I think Suncorp to the City is more like Carlaw Park. Also it was a league ground in the first place and therefore was sacred (don't mention the graveyard bit!!). Mount Wellington disagrees with me but they missed a chance with Carlaw Park. All this conjecture about a stadium on piles over the wharf sounds too expensive to me.
The places I reckon need to be on rock hard soil, so that is either railways land like in Wellington, Victoria Park or Tank Farm.
snake77
A lot of our game during Cleary's reign was Saturday night games on wet field where we took advantage of our conditions. Guys like Hohaia stepping guys. It seems we have gone to shit since we move to Sunday afternoons.
^ I'm not 100% on that as the end of Cleary's time here we probably started preferring Sunday afternoon games.
Personally I'd prefer a roof if possible. It would enable us to get more high profile games like Friday nights or even try and get an Origin game here as we'd be able to start the games later to reach the Australian market. As much as having the local conditions that suit us. Having the dry track under the roof could help replicate the conditions in Australia and might even help us out long term in winning over in Australia. If we win and draw big crowds we'd still get the advantage of being at home.
bruce
Contributor
It then means a boutique stadium like Dunedin. The problem is they will want something for All Black tests which are big money spinners so a Suncorp design it has to be.
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