General Mateo Makes Kangaroos Train On Squad

The Australians are just making sure he doesnt play for the Kiwis.
England or Tonga. It's like any global control scheme. why give the opposition any advantage. More importantly it's in line with the message NZ and Aus sell to all the Poly players on the margins , commit and we will name you in extended squads for a rainy day.
 

mt.wellington

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England or Tonga. It's like any global control scheme. why give the opposition any advantage. More importantly it's in line with the message NZ and Aus sell to all the Poly players on the margins , commit and we will name you in extended squads for a rainy day.
Sad really. Unfortunately League will never be a truly international game because of that mindset. Kiwis have slowly started to become a little more competitive with the Kangaroos but the playing field will never be level as long as players such as Tamou and maybe Kasiano are lured by the money and prestige of Origin Football. This will only get worse. Their was even word of Origin trying to name English player Sam Burgess! This sort of carry on is only diluting the honour of Origin and denies someone of 'true' eligibility a place in a team that they have probably been dreaming since day dot.
 
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Sad really. Unfortunately League will never be a truly international game because of that mindset. Kiwis have slowly started to become a little more competitive with the Kangaroos but the playing field will never be level as long as players such as Tamou and maybe Kasiano are lured by the money and prestige of Origin Football. This will only get worse. Their was even word of Origin trying to name English player Sam Burgess! This sort of carry on is only diluting the honour of Origin and denies someone of 'true' eligibility a place in a team that they have probably been dreaming since day dot.
it's rght across sport too , South African Netballers / Cricketers / European / African / Asian Olympic possibles.........Grab grab grab , no stopping it.
 
so there is 1 former Fijian international player Uate, 2 X former Tongan international players Matoe and Jennings, 1 X former Samoan International McGuire and a former JK in Te'o how greedy can ozzie be
 
England or Tonga. It's like any global control scheme. why give the opposition any advantage. More importantly it's in line with the message NZ and Aus sell to all the Poly players on the margins , commit and we will name you in extended squads for a rainy day.
So true.
 

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The Aussies have so many of their own to pick from why do they have to keep on poaching.
Its a very sad reality in this age of sport that a team or country can select a player based not on their true nationality but on their talent and ability to help that team win at all costs. Im not aware of any other sport or organisation that does it so callously or with such impunity of conscience as the ARL. Alot of these dubious selections are driven mainly by Origin eligibilty and possible selection. Afew points I'd like to make.
  • By selecting someone like Tamou, who is obviously a Kiwi, you deny a true blue dyed in the wool fair dinkum Aussie, New South Welshman or Queenslander an opportunity to represent there REAL country or state and fulfill a dream they may have had since they were a kid
  • You dilute the history and heritage of Origin. This is one of the true rivalries in the sporting world and its integrity should be maintained at all costs. As NZRL manager Tony Kemp rightly says when talking about the selection of Kiwis for Origin, "Thats not actually State of Oirgin, it becomes an All Star game and Arthur Beetson would be rolling in his grave". ts not just Kiwis. Uate is another classic example. The funny thing is, wasnt SoO created because of NSW always selecting Queenslands best?
  • By stripping other countries of their talent you undermine the international game and set back the development of League as a true international sport by years. The ARLC need to take a good hard look at what they want in terms of helping the game flourish worldwide. Origin will always be a major drawcard. Its now time to elevate international games to the same level both in terms of player skill, competitveness and financial rewards.
  • Speaking of financial rewards, Origin players are set to get a rumoured $50,000 per game next season! This compares with about $10,000 an Aussie gets and $7,500 a Kiwi gets for a test. Unless there is some pay parity of some sort then this one aspect of representative footy could kill the international game alone. This will only work with the help of the ARLC and the Rugby League International Federation (RLIF) plus the committee that negotiated the media deal agreeing on lifting the international game to its rightful place as the pinnacle of Rugby League. RLIF job is to, "foster, develop, extend, govern and administer the game of Rugby League throughout the world". Lets see this start to happen.
  • My last point is Danco's original post. Australia have the BIGGEST pool of players to choose from in the world. Is it really neccesary to poach other players?
 
Its a very sad reality in this age of sport that a team or country can select a player based not on their true nationality but on their talent and ability to help that team win at all costs. Im not aware of any other sport or organisation that does it so callously or with such impunity of conscience as the ARL. Alot of these dubious selections are driven mainly by Origin eligibilty and possible selection. Afew points I'd like to make.
  • By selecting someone like Tamou, who is obviously a Kiwi, you deny a true blue dyed in the wool fair dinkum Aussie, New South Welshman or Queenslander an opportunity to represent there REAL country or state and fulfill a dream they may have had since they were a kid
  • You dilute the history and heritage of Origin. This is one of the true rivalries in the sporting world and its integrity should be maintained at all costs. As NZRL manager Tony Kemp rightly says when talking about the selection of Kiwis for Origin, "Thats not actually State of Oirgin, it becomes an All Star game and Arthur Beetson would be rolling in his grave". ts not just Kiwis. Uate is another classic example. The funny thing is, wasnt SoO created because of NSW always selecting Queenslands best?
  • By stripping other countries of their talent you undermine the international game and set back the development of League as a true international sport by years. The ARLC need to take a good hard look at what they want in terms of helping the game flourish worldwide. Origin will always be a major drawcard. Its now time to elevate international games to the same level both in terms of player skill, competitveness and financial rewards.
  • Speaking of financial rewards, Origin players are set to get a rumoured $50,000 per game next season! This compares with about $10,000 an Aussie gets and $7,500 a Kiwi gets for a test. Unless there is some pay parity of some sort then this one aspect of representative footy could kill the international game alone. This will only work with the help of the ARLC and the Rugby League International Federation (RLIF) plus the committee that negotiated the media deal agreeing on lifting the international game to its rightful place as the pinnacle of Rugby League. RLIF job is to, "foster, develop, extend, govern and administer the game of Rugby League throughout the world". Lets see this start to happen.
  • My last point is Danco's original post. Australia have the BIGGEST pool of players to choose from in the world. Is it really neccesary to poach other players?

So true,
 

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Its a very sad reality in this age of sport that a team or country can select a player based not on their true nationality but on their talent and ability to help that team win at all costs. Im not aware of any other sport or organisation that does it so callously or with such impunity of conscience as the ARL. Alot of these dubious selections are driven mainly by Origin eligibilty and possible selection. Afew points I'd like to make.
  • By selecting someone like Tamou, who is obviously a Kiwi, you deny a true blue dyed in the wool fair dinkum Aussie, New South Welshman or Queenslander an opportunity to represent there REAL country or state and fulfill a dream they may have had since they were a kid
  • You dilute the history and heritage of Origin. This is one of the true rivalries in the sporting world and its integrity should be maintained at all costs. As NZRL manager Tony Kemp rightly says when talking about the selection of Kiwis for Origin, "Thats not actually State of Oirgin, it becomes an All Star game and Arthur Beetson would be rolling in his grave". ts not just Kiwis. Uate is another classic example. The funny thing is, wasnt SoO created because of NSW always selecting Queenslands best?
  • By stripping other countries of their talent you undermine the international game and set back the development of League as a true international sport by years. The ARLC need to take a good hard look at what they want in terms of helping the game flourish worldwide. Origin will always be a major drawcard. Its now time to elevate international games to the same level both in terms of player skill, competitveness and financial rewards.
  • Speaking of financial rewards, Origin players are set to get a rumoured $50,000 per game next season! This compares with about $10,000 an Aussie gets and $7,500 a Kiwi gets for a test. Unless there is some pay parity of some sort then this one aspect of representative footy could kill the international game alone. This will only work with the help of the ARLC and the Rugby League International Federation (RLIF) plus the committee that negotiated the media deal agreeing on lifting the international game to its rightful place as the pinnacle of Rugby League. RLIF job is to, "foster, develop, extend, govern and administer the game of Rugby League throughout the world". Lets see this start to happen.
  • My last point is Danco's original post. Australia have the BIGGEST pool of players to choose from in the world. Is it really neccesary to poach other players?

I agree with most of this, but my feelings wrt. State of Origin are very different. I'm sorry, but it doesn't have much in the way of integrity, IMO.

<rant> IMO State of Origin is a hyped up media-fest, which, sadly, most people who follow league sleep walk their way into. As if a team supposedly coming from one state on East Coast Australia has to win at all costs against a team supposedly coming from the other major adjacent state on East Coast Australia. I live in NSW, less than an hour from the Queensland border. It's not as though I hesitate before speaking to Queenslanders. We're not talking about deadly enemies here. The whole thing is ridiculous.

Then there's the "origin" element - a joke. Take Inglis, who as an Aboriginal kid grew up in Bowraville, which is not far from Kempsey NSW. Many hundreds of kms away from Queensland, but he most probably opted to play for Queensland because at that time he was one of the Big Four at the Storm and the other three are genuine Queenslanders and play for that state, so he got to carry on playing with his mates.

In the lead up to the State of Origin games, reading the media here you'd think that winning is more important than life itself. It's a game, guys! Yet a huge proportion of the population actually buys into this c**p.

Lastly, there are the State of Origin matches themselves. The players turn into animals. Pathetic. So hyped up themselves that fisticuffs / handbags at dawn are virtually inevitable. Skill there has to be to win, but being the big tough guy who doesn't give a s**t about his opponent is clearly far more important. Yawn. </rant>

[sorry to be a tad off topic there]
 
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I agree with most of this, but my feelings wrt. State of Origin are very different. I'm sorry, but it doesn't have much in the way of integrity, IMO.

<rant> IMO State of Origin is a hyped up media-fest, which, sadly, most people who follow league sleep walk their way into. As if a team supposedly coming from one state on East Coast Australia has to win at all costs against a team supposedly coming from the other major adjacent state on East Coast Australia. I live in NSW, less than an hour from the Queensland border. It's not as though I hesitate before speaking to Queenslanders. We're not talking about deadly enemies here. The whole thing is ridiculous.

Then there's the "origin" element - a joke. Take Inglis, who as an Aboriginal kid grew up in Bowraville, which is not far from Kempsey NSW. Many hundreds of kms away from Queensland, but he most probably opted to play for Queensland because at that time he was one of the Big Four at the Storm and the other three are genuine Queenslanders and play for that state, so he got to carry on playing with his mates.

In the lead up to the State of Origin games, reading the media here you'd think that winning is more important than life itself. It's a game, guys! Yet a huge proportion of the population actually buys into this c**p.

Lastly, there are the State of Origin matches themselves. The players turn into animals. Pathetic. So hyped up themselves that fisticuffs / handbags at dawn are virtually inevitable. Skill there has to be to win, but being the big tough guy who doesn't give a s**t about his opponent is clearly far more important. Yawn. </rant>

[sorry to be a tad off topic there]


Very true.