General Manu - signed sealed delivered until 2013

PB_old

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Great news. The team relies on him heavily, and we depend on him so much that our record without him is pretty dire (1 win from 11). When fit he's awesome so we need the big ol' tryscoring freak.

The one thing that always gets mentioned (by the Aussies especially) is how much his hands have improved.

2010 = 16 games/ 27 errors/1.68 per game
2009 = 19/31/1.63
2008 = 17/29/1.70
2007 = 23/31/1.34
2006 = 18/28/1.55
2005 = 12/17/1.41
2004 = 5/7/1.4

He's actually getting worse. The 'horror game' was in 2007 but, strangely enough, he averaged less errors then than in any other year. They were just really bad ones in the Parra game. Now it just seems to be loose carries or poor play the balls.

Can he break his personal best this year? I kid.

Just keep scoring tries and winding up when our forwards don't big fella.
 
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scottyb_old

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Absolutely stoked about this news, Manu adds so much more to our team than just tries
 

Jesbass_old

Guest
Great news. The team relies on him heavily, and we depend on him so much that our record without him is pretty dire (1 win from 11). When fit he's awesome so we need the big ol' tryscoring freak.

The one thing that always gets mentioned (by the Aussies especially) is how much his hands have improved.

2010 = 16 games/ 27 errors/1.68 per game
2009 = 19/31/1.63
2008 = 17/29/1.70
2007 = 23/31/1.34
2006 = 18/28/1.55
2005 = 12/17/1.41
2004 = 5/7/1.4

He's actually getting worse. The 'horror game' was in 2007 but, strangely enough, he averaged less errors then than in any other year. They were just really bad ones in the Parra game. Now it just seems to be loose carries or poor play the balls.

Can he break his personal best this year? I kid.

Just keep scoring tries and winding up when our forwards don't big fella.

I'm not going to put in the effort to find out, but how is he looking on an error per try basis? I suspect you'll find that in that regard he's getting better...which means (in my eyes) that he's a better player, because even though his weaknesses are similarly weak, his strengths are getting stronger.
 

DanKokoro_old

Guest
Great news. The team relies on him heavily, and we depend on him so much that our record without him is pretty dire (1 win from 11). When fit he's awesome so we need the big ol' tryscoring freak.

The one thing that always gets mentioned (by the Aussies especially) is how much his hands have improved.

2010 = 16 games/ 27 errors/1.68 per game
2009 = 19/31/1.63
2008 = 17/29/1.70
2007 = 23/31/1.34
2006 = 18/28/1.55
2005 = 12/17/1.41
2004 = 5/7/1.4

He's actually getting worse. The 'horror game' was in 2007 but, strangely enough, he averaged less errors then than in any other year. They were just really bad ones in the Parra game. Now it just seems to be loose carries or poor play the balls.

Can he break his personal best this year? I kid.

Just keep scoring tries and winding up when our forwards don't big fella.

IMO there's not much point in even looking at Manus error count. First reason is that he's so completely awesome that he makes up for any and all errors he makes.. second is a good percentage of those errors would be him knocking on from a cross-field kick, which don't actually put us under any pressure at all.
 

PB_old

Guest
I'm not going to put in the effort to find out, but how is he looking on an error per try basis? I suspect you'll find that in that regard he's getting better...which means (in my eyes) that he's a better player, because even though his weaknesses are similarly weak, his strengths are getting stronger.

Sir JB of BOP, I believe I made my view abundantly clear in my glowing and effusive praise regarding his value to the team. I had not overlooked one of The Beast's strengths simply due to his hands being as yet untamed.
 
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Spence_old

Guest
I'm not going to put in the effort to find out, but how is he looking on an error per try basis? I suspect you'll find that in that regard he's getting better...which means (in my eyes) that he's a better player, because even though his weaknesses are similarly weak, his strengths are getting stronger.

Jesbass turning down an opportunity to lay some stats on us? What is the world coming too?
 

PB_old

Guest
Anyway. Add Manu to this lot.

Inu
2010 = 19 games/24 errors
2009 = 21/25
2008 = 16/28
2007 = 20/31

Mateo
2010 = 22 games/24 errors
2009 = 16/16
2008 = 22/31
2007= 25/21

Maloney
2010 = 21 games/25 errors

Locke
2010 = 14 games/19 errors

Ropati
2010 = 17 games/18 errors
2009 = 17/21
2008 = 22/27
2007 = 12/15

The best players will normally make a lot of errors simple because they get the ball a lot or try a lot of things, and we are going to need all the BAM! clean-up power that Luck and Mannering can muster...

... because we are going on a tryscoring, offloading rampage!
 

Jesbass_old

Guest
Sir JB of BOP, I believe I made my view abundantly clear in my glowing and effusive praise regarding his value to the team. I had not overlooked one of The Beast's strengths simply due to his hands being as yet untamed.

I think it's pretty clear from your original post that you don't like Manu, you think he offers nothing, and you're angry at Scurrah for re-signing him. Me too.

But...can you just do it? Go on...work it out. I'm busy!
 

Jesbass_old

Guest
Business is good = Jesbass is getting some :)

...actually, where "some" = "sleep", you're right. Angie and Caitlin are out of town this week so there's actually some slumber going on. It's such an odd feeling to sleep for more than a few hours at a time!
 

PB_old

Guest
...actually, where "some" = "sleep", you're right. Angie and Caitlin are out of town this week so there's actually some slumber going on. It's such an odd feeling to sleep for more than a few hours at a time!

Of course I meant sleep. Make the most of it. :)
 

Spence_old

Guest
I don't want you to become sleep derived JB.

2010 = 1.59 errors per try
2009 = 2.38 errors per try
2008 = 1.81 errors per try
2007 = 3.1 errors per try
2006 = 2.8 errors per try
2005 = 1.88 errors per try
2004 = infinity errors per try
 

Jesbass_old

Guest
I don't want you to become sleep derived JB.

2010 = 1.59 errors per try
2009 = 2.38 errors per try
2008 = 1.81 errors per try
2007 = 3.1 errors per try
2006 = 2.8 errors per try
2005 = 1.88 errors per try
2004 = infinity errors per try

Thanks Spence. Pity polar "I hate Manu" bob couldn't pull through. Don't hate the player, PB! Hate the...salary cap cheats!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6GIGm_wVow[/youtube]
 

DanKokoro_old

Guest
Anyone care to hazard a guess at how much $$ he's getting? Probably 500k+ from the club and then like 100-200k from third party etc?
 

PB_old

Guest
IMO there's not much point in even looking at Manus error count. First reason is that he's so completely awesome that he makes up for any and all errors he makes.. second is a good percentage of those errors would be him knocking on from a cross-field kick, which don't actually put us under any pressure at all.

That's not what I was getting at, DK.

He is as awesome as you state. I'm just saying that people (pundits particularly) say his error rate has gone down when it hasn't.

I don't agree with you on the nature of his errors. He fumbles in play the balls, drops in contact, and tries to offload under extreme attention in his 20, as opposed to his older 'ball in the air' issue.

He has other flaws too, but I'm not concerned because of everything else he does.

So, to recap: he's awesome but his flaws are still there. And that is fine.
 

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