General Mad Butcher taking heat on Facebook

tajhay

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Is there anyone alive who has never had a joke about a race, nationality, sex, religion, color of another person/group of people before? I know i have, but its mostly/always confined within my inner circle of friends who get me and is never meant in a malicious way. I think that is the crux of the issue in this - the audience when stating something like that.

Sir Peter Leitch portrays himself as everyones mate, and doesnt see these boundaries. By trying to bridge the gap and ice break with someone new he tries to start talking to them like its as if they are a long lost friend. The reality is that as a public figure we know his personality somewhat from what he have seen from him on media and the like. However he does not know us, or how each everyday people react to certain things. Probably bit of an eyeopener for him as he cannot say things to strangers what he might very well do (joking or otherwise) to complete strangers who he might be striking up a conversation with.

Frankly, i dont care if he is a racist or not. He should not have said what he did irrespective of the situation with someone he did not know. But the thing is there are far bigger racists that we all communicate with on an everyday basis, but they get away scot free from any backlash. As a higher profile person, he does need to adhere to higher standards, but lets face it, his entire public persona isnt some rigid straight edged personality. This has been a good wake up call for him. However the outcry from this is a little bit too much. He got the backlash (perhaps deservedly), but time to move on. IMO the whole episode is akin to a newspaper putting a celebrity who shoplifted on the front cover, when the articles about a murderer are deeply buried within the inner pages.

Im more concerned of his rather large signature which lists all his honours, patronage of charities etc. Most people involved in philanthropy dont engage in that and it comes across as rather showy. Racist? Perhaps - but i have low care factor for that if he is. But damn stop the boasting when helping people out. Yes we know you pay for your own way to the tours, we know that the advertisers on your newsletter dont pay for the advertising, just no need to keep on saying it over and over again.
 
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Miket12

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If he'd plagiarised a certain drink-drive ad that's currently on TV and told her "it's like your tits are in my hands", would he now be called sexist?
 
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FAN

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I have never asked anything of this forum before, and I AM NOT TAKING SIDES WITH EITHER PARTY ON THIS. But we are talking about people's lives here, and this is a massive topic that already has been taken way way too far by people who were not even there.

We are better than this, we are the Warriors supporters. For the sake of the two people involved, their lives, their families, Can we please close this thread down and not get involved.
 
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Sup42

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If he'd plagiarised a certain drink-drive ad that's currently on TV and told her "it's like your tits are in my hands", would he now be called sexist?
"Monique thinks your Dumb"


(Not you Mike12, let's not have a miss understanding in this thread....that could spill over to a race debate....stiring deeper issues which could split families, towns, Cities....well prolly not....could upset too old farts).
 
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mt.wellington

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Another example of casual racism. This time from Sir Peter's media spokeswoman and former National Party president Michelle Boag...

Mad Butcher row: Sir Peter Leitch's spokeswoman responds to criticism over comments to Maori woman Lara Bridger
6:58 AM Thursday Jan 5, 2017

A spokeswoman for 'Mad Butcher' Sir Peter Leitch has responded to criticism over his racial comments, describing the woman as "barely coffee coloured".

Auckland woman Lara Bridger, 23, posted a video on social media Tuesday claiming Sir Peter had told her Waiheke Island was a "white man's island".

In a statement issued Tuesday night, Sir Peter said he was "extremely disappointed that a young woman had misinterpreted some light-hearted banter".

"I was joking with her group about not drinking too much because there were lots of police on the island. She said that she was tangata whenua and could do what she liked, and I responded with a joke about it being a white man's island also.

"When she later informed me she was offended by my comment I apologised unreservedly. There is no way I can ever be accused of being racist."

Sir Peter's media spokeswoman, former National Party president Michelle Boag, told Māori Television that Bridger came forward because she wanted to be famous. Bridger denied that and said that she was genuinely upset by being a target of racism.

"When you're feeling a certain way it triggers an emotion. I didn't do it for the attention," she told Māori Television.

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Lara Wharepapa Bridger in a tearful Facebook Live video post in which she alleges Sir Peter Leitch racially abused her. Photo / Facebook

Boag told the Herald her "flippant" comment had been taken out of context.

She had told Maori Television that Bridger had claimed Leitch approached her because she was "black".

"I said 'that was ridiculous she was barely coffee coloured'."

"It's been blown out of all proportion."

Boag thought she was having a casual chat to the Maori Television journalist.

"It was part of a very lengthy conversation where they did not tell me I was on speaker phone and I thought I was having a chat with a journalist. I found out then that everyone in the office was listening.

"Then they're repeating it completely out of context.

"It was an observation."

Boag did not know if Leitch had heard her comment yet.

"He's' got plenty of things to do. He's not worrying about what the media is saying."

Bridger said she contacted Leitch to arrange a meeting to apologise. She says he wished her a Happy New Year but did not commit to a meeting.

In a Facebook post this morning Bridger disputed Leitch's version of events.

"Record straight I did NOT say 'I could do what I like' he came at us with a whole you're not a local in which I responded "yeah I'm tangata whenua born here mate 23 years ago".

The 23-year-old Maori woman was at a wine-tasting with her mother and sister at Stonyridge Vineyard when they spotted Sir Peter eating lunch with his family.

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Sir Peter Leitch aka The Mad Butcher. Photo / Dean Purcell

She said that when they went to leave Sir Peter approached them and began making conversation, during which he warned them not to drink and drive before going on to say they must not be local.

"I go 'Yeah, I'm actually born here'. That's when he said 'Well this is a white man's island and you should acknowledge that'," she said.

In the post Bridger said she refused to "acknowledge that".

"Sorry this place is for everyone. And when you're standing over someone pointing at them in the face with a stern tone I didn't take it as light banter ..."

Bridger removed the video Tuesday night saying "people were going a bit overboard with threats and racist comments" against Sir Peter in response to her post.

"I was just upset that someone whom I once looked up to had that mentality ... I don't wish any bad upon anyone and making more racist comments will make us no better.

"I don't like attention that's not me, but the video went viral and backlash happened. I will contact him myself and hopefully he'll understand why I was so upset."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11776797
 
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fizurg

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Racism is an unusual thing.
I have a blue collar job and am often left out of banter at work because I won't partake in any of the racist jokes.
My flat mate who's part Maori recently described me to someone as the least racist person he's ever met.
Yet when my flatmates bike was stolen from our house recently I instantly assumed it was our rough acting Maori neighbours. Not the other family's or the Asian uni students across the road.
My grandparents will often make the odd "old fashioned" comment which will stick out to me.
They also owned an engineering firm in which they had no issues hiring anyone who was willing to work.
Some times it's hard to decide what is racism and to what extent it is racist.

I wasn't there during this situation and don't know either at all.
Just felt like pointing out racism and discrimination can be a hard thing to define and everyone will see it differently.
 
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Living in PNG I am faced sometimes with what I call reverse racialism, but guess what the important thing is to recognise differences and learn to get on with it.
Sir Peter has most likely in this PC world overstepped the mark but at the end of the day actions speak louder than words. What has he achieved and what has the young lady achieved?
He is a rough diamond what you see is what you get, but I don't think he is racist and most in his era did not grow up on a racist society, Jack was as good as his master.
Obviously not a lot of football to discuss at the moment as this is getting flogged to death. A storm in a teacup
 
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matiunz

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Living in PNG I am faced sometimes with what I call reverse racialism, but guess what the important thing is to recognise differences and learn to get on with it.
Sir Peter has most likely in this PC world overstepped the mark but at the end of the day actions speak louder than words. What has he achieved and what has the young lady achieved?
He is a rough diamond what you see is what you get, but I don't think he is racist and most in his era did not grow up on a racist society, Jack was as good as his master.
Obviously not a lot of football to discuss at the moment as this is getting flogged to death. A storm in a teacup

Can't stand the term "reverse racism" racism is racism no matter which race you are or which race is doing it
 
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Horriors2014

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Racism is an unusual thing.
I have a blue collar job and am often left out of banter at work because I won't partake in any of the racist jokes.
My flat mate who's part Maori recently described me to someone as the least racist person he's ever met.
Yet when my flatmates bike was stolen from our house recently I instantly assumed it was our rough acting Maori neighbours. Not the other family's or the Asian uni students across the road.
My grandparents will often make the odd "old fashioned" comment which will stick out to me.
They also owned an engineering firm in which they had no issues hiring anyone who was willing to work.
Some times it's hard to decide what is racism and to what extent it is racist.

I wasn't there during this situation and don't know either at all.
Just felt like pointing out racism and discrimination can be a hard thing to define and everyone will see it differently.

Let me help you. Racism is any time you act with the mindset that someone is inferior, less than, repulsive or generally less desirable than you because of their skin colour and/or ethnicity.

Some comments need to have more context to be understood correctly. While others are inexcusable no matter what context.

Imo Butch is part of the group that doesn't know he's racist.
 
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brightman

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Let me help you. Racism is any time you act with the mindset that someone is inferior, less than, repulsive or generally less desirable than you because of their skin colour and/or ethnicity.

Some comments need to have more context to be understood correctly. While others are inexcusable no matter what context.

Imo Butch is part of the group that doesn't know he's racist.
Yeah well if that's the case then who isn't, who hasn't remarked at the asian driver or indian shop owner.
People tend to have thin skin because life is alot easier than it has been inn the past but the sayings "stick and stones etc" & "deeds not words" still ring true and define our character. Sometimes introspection is what is actually required before logging onto facebook and 'lynching' somebody, may even learn to understand other people as well as know yourself better.

Perhaps both parties were in the wrong but so far I've only heard one apology, so here's another saying "two wrongs don't make a right"

BTW, my post is not directed at you but rather points I wanted to express;)
 
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drunk_monk

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The reality is we don't know exactly what was said.

His version of events may be true and she may have misheard it, in which case no racism except on her behalf when she claimed entitlement due to race.
Or her version of events may be true and he said something racist and he may be lying now.
Or her version of events may be true and he may mis-remember it, due to alcohol.

Hell both versions of events may be wrong due to alcohol for all we know.

Personally I'm not going to take either of their words on it as its a HEAVY accusation, and there's no evidence either way. And no, someone crying on Facebook doesn't amount as evidence any more than his witness testimony to me.

It sounds like some people here have experienced his old man racism first hand, which sucks, but that doesn't make him guilty now. I'll be surprised if anyone in his generation isn't racist in one way or another. I always thought my grandma was super progressive, especially with all of the positive stories about Maori people she used to tell, until I was recounting some of those stories after she passed, and it clicked. The fact that she would mention race every bloody time meant she considered it relevant that this person was a "good Maori". Racist as shit as it relies on prejudice of Maori people which these people managed to overcome in her mind.

That's not excusing him saying something racist as something racist is something racist.

And casual racism is one of my most hated buzz words these days. Everybody is casually racist, shit the millennials definition of racism is racist (as only some races can be at the other end of racism, racist acts against the majority race isn't racism, which is racist as shit). If you ever had someone of another race speak to you and you were caught back as a thick New Zealand accent comes out, racism. You had determined that their race and accent would be linked, you were wrong, it was racist. Also when you are right, also racist.
If you think someone doesn't deserve something in this country because they aren't a certain race, or any clever synonym you used for race to get around it, racist.
Any time you say race x is excellent at action y, racist. You are determining races a to w are inferior in comparison to race x, due to their race.

I'd be surprised if anyone here isn't a little bit casually racist. Some of us try to correct their thoughts when they came up and are making a conscious effort to ensure their next generation doesn't grow up with the same prejudices, subtle or not. Others not so much. But racism is racism, one way or another. Most people that I have personally had a discussion with on the topic, who ride their racism high horse, usually lets something casually racist slip in conversation. Thinking your not racist doesn't necessarily think you're not racist, it can mean you don't criticize your thoughts enough, whether you admit it to yourself or not.

The problem with videos like this and the immediate backlash on social media with no tangible proof is the reason I wont say a Maori word outside my home. These days cultural appropriation is racist, especially if you're white. There are times its racist, like when you try to oppress, but in my mind trying to embrace others cultures, irrespective of race, is the opposite to racism. And while we say as a society "you cant do y because you are race z" we will NEVER move past racism.
I am terrified some sensitive or shit stirring person may record me speaking to my boy the little bits of Maori I know and publicly accuse me of racist cultural appropriation (as language is part of culture). If that happened I would likely be attacked and it published everywhere before I had a rite of reply and that would fuck my life for life. like when trying to get jobs. because even if you are never convicted of anything, employers with lots of options would steer clear after a quick google search, guilty or not.

The reason I want to teach my son as much Maori as possible is because I saw some stupid racist comments when the black caps used Aotearoa for a match during Maori language week and I am terrified of my boy having such a stupid view, and hope exposure early will ingrain the idea that the Maori language in NZ is just normal as its part of our history, white or not. So it sucks that I am more terrified of the consequences of societies current racist views and social media meeting as it can have dire consequences to average joes.

Let's also not forget, Ghandi was an old racist too. Everyone becomes one, does that excuse it? Christ no. But context and self reflection are important.

Source for "societies current views": Stuff.co.nz
Source for innocent people being destroyed by a shit stirrer with no regard for the actual truth: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...taking-selfie-Star-Wars-display-children.html

TLDR: Just some ranting, racism is bad.
 
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Afakasi247

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Moving away from the situation, it seems we've learned more about the Butch thru those who've had run-ins with the bloke, whom have been empowered to speak out thanks to Lara Bridger.

People are quick to fart out what Sir Pete has done in order to justify the allegations against him, but now we're getting insight into the context of his charity.

The article/blog written by Leilani Tamu, daughter of Bill Burgoyne, gave a first hand account of the other side of the Butchers "charity", or patronage as she describes it.

Long story short, she accuses Peter of only helping those that can help him, or feed and grow his agenda.

Look, I'm with the mass majority who have never met the Butch, being of Polynesian decent it appears that might be a good thing. Back on track, this is all she-said he-said at the end of the day.

But, for example, a lot of counter arguments in favour of Butch use his contributions to Rugby League (and it's multi-cultural participants) to paint him in a positive light. Oh he can't have said anything racist right?

Cross-referencing again to the aforementioned blog article (and some of you probably know this first hand) - it claims the Butch walks around as a self proclaimed "king" of Auckland Rugby League. It's obviously well know that he's also referred to as the biggest Rugby League fan in the country.

He's also the Kiwis ambassador.

He's also the Warriors 19th man.

Heck he has his own lounge at Mt Smart Stadium.

All I'm saying is, for all the good he's done for Rugby League in general, would he have done it without receiving all the perks? Without earning the preverbial "crown" of Rugby League in NZ? Without being looked up to by those Multi-cultural participants of the game - the same ones who have publically come out in "support"?

I personally doubt it. That's his agenda, and in this instance it's worked.

Without intentially trying to discredit what he's given to the Warriors and RL in general, any genuine nice acts he may have done, nor calling him a racist as I've never meet the dude - we cannot discredit the claims of his character which are coming out like wildfire.

Mark Hunt sounded pissed, because he's been on the end of a racist tirade at the hands of the Butch. So has our own Mt Wellington it seems. Leilani Tamu saw her father fall victim to the otherside of the Butchers so called charity. Then we have the OG Lara Bridger who had the guts to share her experience to send a message that racism shouldn't be tolerated in our society.

Piecing the puzzle together, maybe the Butch isn't the glorified philanthropist we all though him to be. It's not just Lara, but other multi-cultural members of our community speaking out about unfortunate encounters with "Sir" Peter. At first it seemed like a 23 year old girl looking for her 10 mins of fame. But, as we gain more references to cite from, those who've come out to share their own piece of Peter Leitch history to the world, Lara doesn't sound so silly after all huh.

And it's not just Peter Leitch. Racism lives in our society everyday. It's much bigger than this. Whether it's old school or whatever, this is a new age. Where equality should be encouraged and supported.

It isn't though. That's why this situation has been blown out of the water.

The worst part though? People finding ways to justify it - and doing so with conviction, calling the Butch old school, light-hearted, or calling it causal racism...

That there is the start of problem.

#Warriors2017
 
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snake77

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Can't stand the term "reverse racism" racism is racism no matter which race you are or which race is doing it
Good point which is why I laughed at Mark Hunt commenting on this issue. He was swearing and making racist comments about Brock Lesnar a few months ago. Yes he was angry but was also surprised he was getting called out for racist comments due to Brock being white. Sure it goes the other way more but if you don't want people commenting on your skin colour you shouldn't be doing it yourself. I've met Mark and he seems like a cool guy, he is also a big fan favourite in the MMA world but he would have lost a lot of fans who were behind him on the steroids thing with a few heated comments.

I haven't been totally on top of this topic. Being to busy trying to control my kids on holiday.:mad: Anyway whoever (The Butcher or his friend) made the stupid comment trying to defend racist comments by mentioning a colour or grading the persons colour with the coffee comment is just stupid.

On the Butchers charity work etc. Like a lot of people who have done good work that can quickly get forgotten with a few stupid comments. A lot of people in the public eye have found that out.
 
brightman

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but for certain generation of white guys they would insult each other all time over the most minor of personal defects as a way to bond and form friendships because for alot of white guys back then only way they would be friends with you, is if they felt like they had one over you. Again it's not racist, it's just really stupid. How do we know that isn't what he's doing ? That in this instance he was just being white ? :(
I really like your post, I still take the piss as I'm sure do many others who are and aren't white. If you can't laugh at yourself when people take the piss and give as good as you get then how in the hell can you be relied on as a stand up person if your always having a sulk. Life throws shit at us all, do we dig in or cry for hugs.
 
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