General Lynnmall terrorist attack

[snake77]

7 injured. 3 people in critical condition.

90 seconds from the panic to the police acting.

 

[bruce]

Have to feel for the victims obviously. But also the people there who managed to escape as they were there doing their weekly shop.

Then there is the staff. They have a hard enough job at the moment as it is working as an essential worker during a covid outbreak. There would be PTSD going back to work and seeing the area where it occurred.

They will be worried about a copy cat.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the turnover.

 

[bruce]

How dare Jessica Mutch ask if Cindy let New Zealanders down?? She would be banned on this site

 

[Beastmode]

They will be worried about a copy cat.

It would be have to be one stupid copy cat.

Dead in 60 seconds full of bullet holes. Hardly inspiring.

 

[bruce]

It would be have to be one stupid copy cat.

Not being followed by the cops there won't...there are plenty of nutters out there.

 

[Gizzyfan]

I am a strong advocate for deporting these people, like you stated in your first post.

Get rid of them. Send them home.

It costs a lot of money to keep these people in jail hey.

We already have the laws to deal with these people and deport them. It is just how these laws are applied.

 

[Dixpat]

The difference between the current Police Commissioner and his predecessor is stark - this one comes across as sensible, balanced and compassionate

 

[Gizzyfan]

But not well liked and seen by the staff as too political

 

[wizards rage]

The difference between the current Police Commissioner and his predecessor is stark - this one comes across as sensible, balanced and compassionate

Not all his fault but him and Labour have overseen a changing culture towards crime in NZ. They have overseen a rise in gang numbers, rising violence, child violence, cash paid to gangs and overseen 2 terrorist attacks.

This terrorist attack wouldn’t have happened in Australia.

Everyone rightly praised Labours response to Covid and how National wouldn’t have done better. So I’m going to say this terror attack wouldn’t have happened under National. Goes both ways…

I’m bracing for the left wingers to attack me rather than the message as I know it’s a controversial statement 🙈

 

[AlexM]

Not all his fault but him and Labour have overseen a changing culture towards crime in NZ. They have overseen a rise in gang numbers, rising violence, child violence, cash paid to gangs and overseen 2 terrorist attacks.

This terrorist attack wouldn’t have happened in Australia.

Everyone rightly praised Labours response to Covid and how National wouldn’t have done better. So I’m going to say this terror attack wouldn’t have happened under National. Goes both ways…

I’m bracing for the left wingers to attack me rather than the message as I know it’s a controversial statement 🙈

All I'm gonna say is....
I live in Aus and we have a conservative government.
I'm pretty jealous of NZs gov.
They did have a seige in Sydney which wasn't handled anywhere near as well btw

 

[tajhay]

Heard someone from the tactical unit speak. He said the person was a nz citizen so how were they supposed to deport them. Apparently migrated to nz in 2011. Has had attention on him since 2016. Question is when did the person become a citizen.

 

[Sup42]

Have to feel for the victims obviously. But also the people there who managed to escape as they were there doing their weekly shop.

Then there is the staff. They have a hard enough job at the moment as it is working as an essential worker during a covid outbreak. There would be PTSD going back to work and seeing the area where it occurred.

Yeah, pretty hard going back to the place.

Then the nightmares, the jumpiness the looking over your shoulder. Followed by depression and anxiety problems long term.

Pretty shit scene ptsd. I live with it.

They will never feel completely safe at work again.

There must be a lot of out of work doormen right now and security who could be deployed by these mega chains who are making billions off Covid.

This just highlights that all the dangerous people in society are concentrated by level four.

So they will be standing next to you in the queue, 100% supermarket staffers are exposed to this concentration by artificial circumstance.

I should add that a show of force is really symbolic for staffs peace of mind. Looked like there might be a security guy in the video not really able to 'do' anything/in melt down mode.

 

[DavidMcKay1974]

Not all his fault but him and Labour have overseen a changing culture towards crime in NZ. They have overseen a rise in gang numbers, rising violence, child violence, cash paid to gangs and overseen 2 terrorist attacks.

This terrorist attack wouldn’t have happened in Australia.

Everyone rightly praised Labours response to Covid and how National wouldn’t have done better. So I’m going to say this terror attack wouldn’t have happened under National. Goes both ways…

I’m bracing for the left wingers to attack me rather than the message as I know it’s a controversial statement 🙈

National wouldn't have done any better had both terror attacks happened under them, in fact it would have gotten way worse.

Just my opinion and I believe steadfast in that. On both fronts. Covid and Terrorism.

 

[john nick]

Not all his fault but him and Labour have overseen a changing culture towards crime in NZ. They have overseen a rise in gang numbers, rising violence, child violence, cash paid to gangs and overseen 2 terrorist attacks.

This terrorist attack wouldn’t have happened in Australia.

Everyone rightly praised Labours response to Covid and how National wouldn’t have done better. So I’m going to say this terror attack wouldn’t have happened under National. Goes both ways…

I’m bracing for the left wingers to attack me rather than the message as I know it’s a controversial statement 🙈

Could be right. Could be wrong. All pure conjecture. We will never know

 

[Stone]

As a life long martial artist I find myself wondering, did any one of the 7 the cops even consider physically restraining this guy before they shot him ?

Not that I particularly care about the perpetrators rights in this case or anything like that, but while I'm not trying to big note or come off as a tough guy or whatever, with my martial arts training I can easily disarm & restrain most people trying to attack me or anyone else with a knife, give me a hand weapon, like say a police baton & the perpetrator would literally have no chance to resist, especially if they are untrained in hand to hand combat.

So if I can do that, why can't the police, especially if there's more than one of them ?

Surely our police force is adequately trained in these areas ? (this paragraph is facetious & somewhat tongue in cheek)

In a strictly legal sense I would think an argument could be made for excessive force eg: a lone nutter with a knife vs 7 cops with firearms.

Again, I don't particularly care about the guys rights, it just made me think what would I have done if I was unlucky enough to be in that supermarket when it happened ?

And my first instinct would've been to disarm, immobilize & subdue, unless he went after one of my kids, then I would've killed him myself with my bare hands.

But I digress, my overall point is what's the protocol before justified use of deadly force ?

This incident somewhat reminded me of that young Maori boy the cops shot to death on Auckland's Norwestern motorway quite a few years back, his only weapon (if you don't count his car ) was a golf club.

Totally different scenarios, but same outcome, considerably less armed lone perpetrator shot & killed by police officers who considerably outnumbered him.

I'll finish this by stating that if the cops shot that supermarket nutter while he was actually in the act of trying to stab someone then yeah I definitely get it, but if not then I do have to wonder, why didn't they just use their considerably superior numbers to physically overwhelm & immobilize him or use non deadly force such as a taser, pepper spray etc ?

Again I don't really care about the guy, it's more about not wanting a police force that uses the threat or use of deadly force as a first response tactic, that's what's fucked the American police force up & we definitely don't need it here.

Best wishes & thoughts to any & all affected by this horrible incident.

 

[Beastmode]

As a life long martial artist I find myself wondering, did any one of the 7 the cops even consider physically restraining this guy before they shot him ?

Not that I particularly care about the perpetrators rights in this case or anything like that, but while I'm not trying to big note or come off as a tough guy or whatever, with my martial arts training I can easily disarm & restrain most people trying to attack me or anyone else with a knife, give me a hand weapon, like say a police baton & the perpetrator would literally have no chance to resist, especially if they are untrained in hand to hand combat.

So if I can do that, why can't the police, especially if there's more than one of them ?

Surely our police force is adequately trained in these areas ? (this paragraph is facetious & somewhat tongue in cheek)

In a strictly legal sense I would think an argument could be made for excessive force eg: a lone nutter with a knife vs 7 cops with firearms.

Again, I don't particularly care about the guys rights, it just made me think what would I have done if I was unlucky enough to be in that supermarket when it happened ?

And my first instinct would've been to disarm, immobilize & subdue, unless he went after one of my kids, then I would've killed him myself with my bare hands.

But I digress, my overall point is what's the protocol before justified use of deadly force ?

This incident somewhat reminded me of that young Maori boy the cops shot to death on Auckland's Norwestern motorway quite a few years back, his only weapon (if you don't count his car ) was a golf club.

Totally different scenarios, but same outcome, considerably less armed lone perpetrator shot & killed by police officers who considerably outnumbered him.

I'll finish this by stating that if the cops shot that supermarket nutter while he was actually in the act of trying to stab someone then yeah I definitely get it, but if not then I do have to wonder, why didn't they just use their considerably superior numbers to physically overwhelm & immobilize him or use non deadly force such as a taser, pepper spray etc ?

Again I don't really care about the guy, it's more about not wanting a police force that uses the threat or use of deadly force as a first response tactic, that's what's fucked the American police force up & we definitely don't need it here.

Best wishes & thoughts to any & all affected by this horrible incident.

If you had a nutter going blatistic with a blade, are you going to try wrestling the knife off him or use the weapon you were trained to use and not put yourself in harms way? I’d go for the later every day of the week.

 

[AlexM]

If you had a nutter going blatistic with a blade, are you going to try wrestling the knife off him or use the weapon you were trained to use and not put yourself in harms way? I’d go for the later every day of the week.

Batons?
Pepper spray?
Maybe a taser is even preferable?
Shoot his legs?

 

[Sup42]

I don't think organized crime or terrorists take their cues from govt messaging.

That is not my understanding of how they work.

 

[dean]

As a life long martial artist I find myself wondering, did any one of the 7 the cops even consider physically restraining this guy before they shot him ?

Not that I particularly care about the perpetrators rights in this case or anything like that, but while I'm not trying to big note or come off as a tough guy or whatever, with my martial arts training I can easily disarm & restrain most people trying to attack me or anyone else with a knife, give me a hand weapon, like say a police baton & the perpetrator would literally have no chance to resist, especially if they are untrained in hand to hand combat.

So if I can do that, why can't the police, especially if there's more than one of them ?

Surely our police force is adequately trained in these areas ? (this paragraph is facetious & somewhat tongue in cheek)

In a strictly legal sense I would think an argument could be made for excessive force eg: a lone nutter with a knife vs 7 cops with firearms.

Again, I don't particularly care about the guys rights, it just made me think what would I have done if I was unlucky enough to be in that supermarket when it happened ?

And my first instinct would've been to disarm, immobilize & subdue, unless he went after one of my kids, then I would've killed him myself with my bare hands.

But I digress, my overall point is what's the protocol before justified use of deadly force ?

This incident somewhat reminded me of that young Maori boy the cops shot to death on Auckland's Norwestern motorway quite a few years back, his only weapon (if you don't count his car ) was a golf club.

Totally different scenarios, but same outcome, considerably less armed lone perpetrator shot & killed by police officers who considerably outnumbered him.

I'll finish this by stating that if the cops shot that supermarket nutter while he was actually in the act of trying to stab someone then yeah I definitely get it, but if not then I do have to wonder, why didn't they just use their considerably superior numbers to physically overwhelm & immobilize him or use non deadly force such as a taser, pepper spray etc ?

Again I don't really care about the guy, it's more about not wanting a police force that uses the threat or use of deadly force as a first response tactic, that's what's fucked the American police force up & we definitely don't need it here.

Best wishes & thoughts to any & all affected by this horrible incident.

You are probably way better trained in martial arts than a policemen. Sure they probably attend courses on how to disarm someone with a knife, but that is practice and its short lived and easily forgotten. Thinking about it, if I saw someone with a knife in a supermarket, I would use my shopping trolly to ram him and keep distance. Two shoppers in theory would have a good chance I would think. This guy was fairly small. Anyway, all conjecture, I'm glad he is no longer a threat.

 

[Beastmode]

All I'm gonna say is....
I live in Aus and we have a conservative government.
I'm pretty jealous of NZs gov.
They did have a seige in Sydney which wasn't handled anywhere near as well btw

Yeah true dat.

I remember that seige. The coffee shop where the cops went in guns blazing and innocent people were hit. It was like something out of movie. Crazy