look forward to your report on wot that place is like,....

I have a lot of respect for the Poms.... Mainly comes from the GB era (young fans the Brittish Lions were stronger than NZ back in the day....way stronger than this England side...for whatever reason... They play better for the Lions than their home nation side do the poms.

Still:...England are hard to beat on home soil...I rate this a Kiwi side,....but the England team will be much harder to beat at home than the Auesies

We have already been. We went to the 2012 paralympics. Very nice stadium, easy to get to and looks good.

I'll take some photos(no selfies, I promise) and post a little report......

On numbers, I'd be surprised if it got to 30,000.
look forward to your report on wot that place is like,....

I have a lot of respect for the Poms.... Mainly comes from the GB era (young fans the Brittish Lions were stronger than NZ back in the day....way stronger than this England side...for whatever reason... They play better for the Lions than their home nation side do the poms.

Still:...England are hard to beat on home soil...I rate this a Kiwi side,....but the England team will be much harder to beat at home than the Auesies


already been, went during the 2012 Paralympics, very nice stadium, easy to get to, easy to get around....

I will take some photos(no selfies of course!) and try and write a little report.....

I doubt 50,000 will turn up, i'd say more like 30,000 or less.

We are talking the "South" and Rugby League, but i could be wrong....
 
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Great write up by Ryan Hall on the international game and his excitement for this years series. Great to see the passion from England players already writing up articles about the series, They are hungry for a win against us and Aussie.
Also like the point about not worrying about getting or working to get the Aussies excited to play them where the Kiwis already are. Australia are important to the international game but we can't let them dictate everything.

We were a bit of a mess in the 2007 series. The last few years we've had some good clashes with the England side.

Anybody wanna declare their hand and name their Kiwis squad for the test series? Suppose to be a squad of 24 I believe.
Was about to come on here and ask the question on how many players they would take over there. Years ago with old fashioned tours they would take up to 26 for two full teams or 28 for some spots for some development players. It used to be cool seeing some of the sides or combinations teams would put out for mid week fixtures against the club sides. Things are a bit different now the Leeds game will be close to a full strength side due to not have a specialist replacement for each position in the squad, then it would be made up of guys pushing for a place in the 1st test or guys who were in clubs that didn't make the finals and need some game time.
 
My post on the crowd was moved to the football thread, but the point I was making was that around 300,000 people would attend a football match in London on any given week from August til April - getting anything less than 50,000 for a one off game in the capital would be disastrous (they get 90,000 for NFL games there.)
 
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Yeah I was thinking if you get to 40k pre sold then 10 k walk on is no prob. The right advertisement and plus if the 1st game is entertaining and if we win the 1st won the England crowd will be there to cheer their boys on in the 2nd game.

They got a sellout a few years back - albeit at the smaller QPR ground - for NZ vs Australia
 
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Anybody wanna declare their hand and name their Kiwis squad for the test series? Suppose to be a squad of 24 I believe.

This was the team that played the anzac test- they'll all be there bar leuleuai, who I've replaced with brown.



  1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
  2. Jason Nightingale
  3. Shaun Kenny-Dowall
  4. Peta Hiku
  5. Manu Vatuvei
  6. Kieran Foren
  7. Shaun Johnson
  8. Jesse Bromwich
  9. Issac Luke
  10. Ben Matulino
  11. Tohu Harris
  12. Kevin Proctor
  13. Simon Mannering ©
  14. Thomas Leuluai -Lewis brown.
  15. Matin Taupau
  16. Sam Moa
  17. Greg Eastwood
So if it's a squad of 24 there's 7 more spots and I'll go with

Jwh
Kasiano
Glenn
Taumalolo
Marshall
Whare
Dallin Watene-Zelezniak

Don't know if Kearney will pick Jwh or ESP Benji tho.
 
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No Whare ?
This was the team that played the anzac test- they'll all be there bar leuleuai, who I've replaced with brown.



  1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
  2. Jason Nightingale
  3. Shaun Kenny-Dowall
  4. Peta Hiku
  5. Manu Vatuvei
  6. Kieran Foren
  7. Shaun Johnson
  8. Jesse Bromwich
  9. Issac Luke
  10. Ben Matulino
  11. Tohu Harris
  12. Kevin Proctor
  13. Simon Mannering ©
  14. Thomas Leuluai -Lewis brown.
  15. Matin Taupau
  16. Sam Moa
  17. Greg Eastwood
So if it's a squad of 24 there's 7 more spots and I'll go with

Jwh
Kasiano
Glenn
Taumalolo
Marshall
Hoffman
Dallin Watene-Zelezniak

Don't know if Kearney will pick Jwh or ESP Benji tho.[/QUOTE
No Whare?
 
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I have included him because:

1. Kearney will most likely pick him if fit.
2. He can play (with a fair degree of mediocrity) in any forward jersey except 9.
3. I don't think he will pick JWH or Kasiano.
Is there anyone else? lol

I know Kasiano and JWH are out. I think there's enough backrowers there. Another big bopper out there?
 
My squad...
  1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
  2. Jason Nightingale
  3. Dean Whare
  4. Peta Hiku
  5. Manu Vatuvei
  6. Kieran Foran
  7. Shaun Johnson
  8. Ben Matulino
  9. Issac Luke
  10. Jesse Bromwich
  11. Kevin Proctor
  12. Simon Mannering
  13. Jason Taumalolo
  14. Lewis Brown
  15. Greg Eastwood
  16. Martin Taupau
  17. Sam Moa
  18. Shaun Kenny-Dowall
  19. Dallin Watene-Zelezniak
  20. Sio Siua Taukeiaho
  21. Adam Blair
  22. Siliva Havili
  23. Tohu Harris
  24. Kodi Nokirma
Also 4 hookers? Im imagining Kodi is there for hooker. Could we get away with 3? Also a potential look in for Manaia Cherrington? I'm not sure if Siliva deserves to go on tour.
 
1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
2. Nightingale
3. SKD
4. Whare
5. Vatuvei
6. Foran
7. Johnson
8. Bromwich
9. Luke
10. Matulino
11. Proctor
12. Mannering
13. Taumalolo

14. Brown
15. Taupau
16. JWH
17. Moa

18. Eastwood
19. Harris
20. Hiku
21. Marshall
22. Glenn
23. Rona
24. K Nikorima

Brown back up hooker from the bench for the first two tests. Nikorima to make his debut in the 3rd test match if the Kiwis have already won the test series.

Unlucky to miss out Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Kahu, SST, Blair, Simona, Soliola, Rapana Taylor and Kasiano.

Would also have Manaia Cherrington and ZDC be a part of the tour but not apart of the 'offical squad' for experience. Something which happened in 2007 when Eddie Paea and Masada Iosefa where a part of the tour to England in an unofficial capacity.
 
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An interesting stat a chance that Shaun Johnson could be the all time Kiwis leading points scorer by the end of the tour he is already on 134 points. The top two leading Kiwis point scorers of all time are Matthew Ridge 168 points and Stacey Jones on 170 points.
 
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An interesting stat a chance that Shaun Johnson could be the all time Kiwis leading points scorer by the end of the tour he is already on 134 points. The top two leading Kiwis point scorers of all time are Matthew Ridge 168 points and Stacey Jones on 170 points.
If Shaun Johnson has a good healthy career he could end up becoming one of the greatest kiwis ever. Say 2 world cups, 5 four nations, 10 wins over aussie. that would cement top spot i reckon
 
If Shaun Johnson has a good healthy career he could end up becoming one of the greatest kiwis ever. Say 2 world cups, 5 four nations, 10 wins over aussie. that would cement top spot i reckon

Just thinking of Shaun Johnson's last three tests against oz.. dominant performances.. first time we've beaten ozzy three times in a row since goodness knows how long and Shaun Johnson was a major contributor in those victories.. topped off by the Golden Boot of course.

Not even the great Stacey Jones or Wiz Freeman has dominated them in 3 big tests in a row like that.. Shaun Johnson is well on his way to cementing his legacy as our greatest ever Kiwis half.
 
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Does anyone have the stats on which Kiwis player has the most test wins against all nations. Would probably have to guess Wiki or even Mannering?
 

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Also 4 hookers? Im imagining Kodi is there for hooker. Could we get away with 3? Also a potential look in for Manaia Cherrington? I'm not sure if Siliva deserves to go on tour.

The way I see it we only have 2 hookers (Luke/Havili) and two utilities who cover hooker (Brown/Nikorima).

Nikorima is also halves cover.
 
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1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
2. Nightingale
3. SKD
4. Whare
5. Vatuvei
6. Foran
7. Johnson
8. Bromwich
9. Luke
10. Matulino
11. Proctor
12. Mannering
13. Taumalolo

14. Brown
15. Taupau
16. JWH
17. Moa

18. Eastwood
19. Harris
20. Hiku
21. Marshall - Can't see him getting picked by Kearney myself
22. Glenn - I am not sure what has happened to him, seems to have lost his spark
23. Rona - Isn't he a wannabe QLDer?

24. K Nikorima

Brown back up hooker from the bench for the first two tests. Nikorima to make his debut in the 3rd test match if the Kiwis have already won the test series.

Unlucky to miss out Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Kahu, SST, Blair, Simona, Soliola, Rapana Taylor and Kasiano.

Would also have Manaia Cherrington and ZDC be a part of the tour but not apart of the 'offical squad' for experience. Something which happened in 2007 when Eddie Paea and Masada Iosefa where a part of the tour to England in an unofficial capacity.