Internationals KIWIS RLWC 2017 Campaign

[Weno]

Better find another second rower, Gary Mercer is Maori. Was gonna say Craig Smith but remembered him playing for the Maori.
Come to think of it, don't let the skin colour fool you, there could be Maori blood flowing through a few more of these guys.

Wow , thanks for that .
Terry Hermanson and Jason Nightingale are two more.
You can see it in Nightingale when they get up close on him.
Craig Smith is an uncle to an ex , so knew he was maori.
Your not wrong brother Trugoy its more than skin colour.

 

[Weno]

Hmm, so what percentage is enough to consider yourself Maori?
And while we're talking percentages, any idea what percentage Samoan Josh McGuire is?
What about Ashton Sims? Does he have enough Fijian in him to play for Fiji?

The Sims whanaus mama is fijian , her sister is Regan Campbell Gillards mama.
She looks more like a maori / island lady than a fijian.
She done a great job , must be proud.

 

[davewjnz]

Lets Gone Kiwi Ferns!

 

[BiggerD]

Benji would have helped the Kiwis.. I believe that too

Hope he does well at the Tigers next year



https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/99351763/i-could-have-helped-kiwis-says-benji-marshall

Benji Marshall believes he could have helped save New Zealand's disastrous Rugby League World Cup campaign as he refuses to give up on his dream of a Kiwis comeback.

Marshall's involvement at the tournament was confined to an Australian television studio as, despite resurrecting his career at the Broncos, his exile from the national side continued.

Out of favour with selectors since 2013, not even the withdrawal of Kieran Foran could open the door for Marshall as young duo Te Maire Martin and Kodi Nikorima were preferred in the halves alongside Shaun Johnson.

The Kiwis, of course, went on to record their worst ever performance at a World Cup, suffering back-to-back losses against tier two nations Tonga and Fiji to crash out in the quarterfinals.

But while Marshall doesn't hold a grudge towards David Kidwell, he says his big-game experience and presence off the field would have been a huge asset to the off-contract coach.

"I thought maybe of last year's season I might have been a chance, but at least [Kidwell] was honest with me and said Te Maire and Kodi and Thomas Leuluai were ahead of me at that point of his decision," the former Kiwis captain said, intimating where he would have been helpful.

"Experience-wise, just in the halves and managing the game - that [Tonga] game especially and maybe the ones before.

"I think in camp situations I'm pretty relaxed and not so serious. I like bringing all the boys together, that's how I am. They could have done with a bit of that."

After four years away, including an ill-fated stint in Super Rugby with the Blues, Marshall has returned 'home' to the Wests Tigers as part of an aggressive recruitment drive by coach Ivan Cleary.

Much like he did in Brisbane, Marshall, who turns 33 in February, will play a mentor role to the young halves and is most likely to spend most of the season coming off the bench.

But that doesn't mean he has given up on an unlikely Kiwis recall.

"I just wish I was in the team, I could have helped," he said of the World Cup.

"I'll never make myself unavailable for New Zealand. It's my country and I will always play if they pick me. I will always be available."

 

[kos]

Marshall would have been an asset. Bennett played him through the finals.
The 2017 Kiwis -worst ever.
Only way now is up

 

[Pozza]

Interesting how Benji was given the arse by the Kiwis brain trust but they continued to pick that imposter JWH.
As a wise man once said “fucked if I know”

 

[Inruin]

It's pretty simply. You put a Fucktard with very little experience in charge of the team who then appears to have gotten almost every player offside.

The next appointment needs to be a very capable individual. Whether that is a Kiwi or not is irrelevant - though I can't think of a Kiwi who fits that description currently.....

 

[MarkW]

Interesting how Benji was given the arse by the Kiwis brain trust but they continued to pick that imposter JWH.
As a wise man once said “fucked if I know”

I'm still pissed off that he was overlooked in favour of Lolohea/Hiku/Harris back in 2015 when Shaun Johnson and Foran were unavailable.

 

[warriors4eva]

when are the kiwis playing next ?? end of next year ??

dont have to worry about that shambles for 12 months sweet

new coach and half a new team for sure

 

[bruce]

Craig Smith is an uncle to an ex , so knew he was maori.

He is from Kaitaia so might be Ngapuhi.

 

[Pozza]

He is from Kaitaia so might be Ngapuhi.

Is that a suburb of Brisbane. Remember when he played for QLD during the super league war

 

[bruce]

Is that a suburb of Brisbane. Remember when he played for QLD during the super league war

He was definitely from Kaitaia. He went to Kaitaia College. He might have gone to Queensland as a teenager.

 

[Pozza]

He was definitely from Kaitaia. He went to Kaitaia College. He might have gone to Queensland as a teenager.

I was taking the piss, QLD were desperate for players. You only had to have a holiday on the Gold Coast and you
we’re eligible for selection

 

[Beastmode]

He is from Kaitaia so might be Ngapuhi.

Unless he’s an albino maori I’d still tag him as white with his olive skin and blonde hair.

Oh and with a surname of Smith.

 

[Weno]

He is from Kaitaia so might be Ngapuhi.

His niece is a Ngapuhi.
Left her (7th form at school , me a year older) to move to Aussie and have a go as it lead me to the Bronco juniors and feeder club Wynnum Manly.
When my knees blew out and i moved home to Waikato 4 years later we re acquainted.
She was married , did not want a bar of home wrecking so told her to go home to her whanau.
They stop in once or twice a year when travelling , not awkward as some might think.
Awesome having them as whanau than not at all.

But anyway , here is a read from union that could change some views.


The cultural identity of individual players influences a rugby team's style of play, according to researchers who analysed the Maori All Blacks and the Japan Test squad.

The Massey University study, co-authored by former Black Ferns skipper Dr Farah Palmer, says the Maori All Blacks are more spontaneous and take more risks than the Brave Blossoms, who have a mix of nationalities.

The researchers believe the difference is down to the players' cultural identity and norms.

They say the Maori All Blacks have more positive feelings toward their culture and stronger feelings about maintaining it.

As well, they have "a more playful" team personality, while the Japan squad express a more serious-minded and goal-oriented nature.

Dr Palmer suggests that the contrast reflects the context within which the teams are formed.


The Maori All Blacks tend to go on tour at the end of a long Super Rugby and provincial season and their cultural legacy promotes flair and pride in representing Maori.

"Maori rugby is known for being an exhilarating and unifying experience for players and spectators," Dr Palmer said.

"Many of the players enjoy the opportunity to celebrate and explore their Maori identity in a rugby context."

Co-author Dr Yusuke Kuroda said that, in the professional era, it was important to understand the effect of cultural identity and personality on a team's style.

Some teams relied on foreign-born players and there were fewer sides consisting of one particular ethnic group.

For the study, which has been published in the journal Heliyon, 57 professional players were surveyed to measure team characteristics and assess cultural identity.

Dr Kuroda said that, even though Japan seemed a more culturally diverse side, they prized unity, structure and conformity, reflecting the dominant values in Japanese culture.

 

[Off The Bench]

How's that work for Japan ?
Like it says the Maori buy into it its their s
I remember the English team when they won saying they
Were going to play the most boring game they did an won
Stoic yes but boring,,Very English .
Round holes an square pegs

 

[Beastmode]

How's that work for Japan ?
Like it says the Maori buy into it its their s
I remember the English team when they won saying they
Were going to play the most boring game they did an won
Stoic yes but boring,,Very English .
Round holes an square pegs

To be fair, they did beat South African in the last world cup.

And they won the hosting rights to the next one as well as the Olympics.

I read Dan Carter decided to pack his bag in France and move there to play club rugby.

Despite getting nuked by the yanks, these little midgets have done alright for themselves as a race.

 

[Off The Bench]

To be fair, they did beat South African in the last world cup.

And they won the hosting rights to the next one as well as the Olympics.

I read Dan Carter decided to pack his bag in France and move there to play club rugby.

Despite getting nuked by the yanks, these little midgets have done alright for themselves as a race.

Got an uncle that's half Japanese married my aunty they are good people .He was a School teacher
His mum was 15 when they dropped the bomb so all the girls went to help they were
Close by .She told me about it at the breakfast table .when I was young pretty real ..
But awesome people an big on family Strict as though .at the time I just wanted to
No about ninja's.So have they won some games ?I just follow warriors ,an kiwis

 

[bruce]

His niece is a Ngapuhi.
Left her (7th form at school , me a year older) to move to Aussie and have a go as it lead me to the Bronco juniors and feeder club Wynnum Manly.
When my knees blew out and i moved home to Waikato 4 years later we re acquainted.
She was married , did not want a bar of home wrecking so told her to go home to her whanau.
They stop in once or twice a year when travelling , not awkward as some might think.
Awesome having them as whanau than not at all.

But anyway , here is a read from union that could change some views.


The cultural identity of individual players influences a rugby team's style of play, according to researchers who analysed the Maori All Blacks and the Japan Test squad.

The Massey University study, co-authored by former Black Ferns skipper Dr Farah Palmer, says the Maori All Blacks are more spontaneous and take more risks than the Brave Blossoms, who have a mix of nationalities.

The researchers believe the difference is down to the players' cultural identity and norms.

They say the Maori All Blacks have more positive feelings toward their culture and stronger feelings about maintaining it.

As well, they have "a more playful" team personality, while the Japan squad express a more serious-minded and goal-oriented nature.

Dr Palmer suggests that the contrast reflects the context within which the teams are formed.


The Maori All Blacks tend to go on tour at the end of a long Super Rugby and provincial season and their cultural legacy promotes flair and pride in representing Maori.

"Maori rugby is known for being an exhilarating and unifying experience for players and spectators," Dr Palmer said.

"Many of the players enjoy the opportunity to celebrate and explore their Maori identity in a rugby context."

Co-author Dr Yusuke Kuroda said that, in the professional era, it was important to understand the effect of cultural identity and personality on a team's style.

Some teams relied on foreign-born players and there were fewer sides consisting of one particular ethnic group.

For the study, which has been published in the journal Heliyon, 57 professional players were surveyed to measure team characteristics and assess cultural identity.

Dr Kuroda said that, even though Japan seemed a more culturally diverse side, they prized unity, structure and conformity, reflecting the dominant values in Japanese culture.

Culture is largely based on genetic selection affected by geography. It is a massive subject to study. Language is an expression of culture as well.

Also from the Herald today:
League: Raelene Castle named on panel to review Kiwis Rugby League World Cup failure
The Kiwis are calling on experience to conduct an independent review of their underachieving 2017 Rugby League World Cup campaign.

Former Canterbury Bulldogs chief executive Raelene Castle, and international sports barrister Tim Castle - no relation - have been appointed on an independent panel to find out what went wrong for the Kiwis, who were dumped out of the World Cup by Fiji in the quarterfinals.

"We were all disappointed with the Kiwis' performance and need to understand what went wrong," said NZRL chairman Reon Edwards.

"A thorough independent review is essential if we're to get it right for the next World Cup."

"We completely understand how the New Zealand League community, including players and coaches, feel about this World Cup performance by our Kiwis team.

"We all want our team to be successful and we need to ensure we do and have everything we need to achieve what we all desperately want – to be best in the world."

One of the issues broached by the review will be whether to retain the coaching eligibility rule which means the Kiwis coach must be a New Zealander.

The review will also cover the following.

Kiwis campaign preparation and performance for RLWC17 including, but not limited to, the following:

•Preparations and planning for RLWC17;
•Resources committed to the campaign both human & financial;
•Leadership and capability;
•Coach selection policy;
•Player selection policies;
•Management of player culture and welfare;
•Tournament logistics;
•Game plans, implementation and evaluation;
•RLIF and RLWC17 local organising committee rules and regulations.
The findings will be released by February or March.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11950746

How thoughtful. They are broke, couldn't afford to sack the muppet coach when they needed to, stayed at a Marae to save money so now they are paying people to tell them what went wrong. The answer is simple, they are all a bunch of muppets, no need to spend money to ascertain that.

 

[snake77]

How thoughtful. They are broke, couldn't afford to sack the muppet coach when they needed to, stayed at a Marae to save money so now they are paying people to tell them what went wrong. The answer is simple, they are all a bunch of muppets, no need to spend money to ascertain that.

They might be hoping if they pay for the review they results will come back that they are one of the smarter muppets. They are hoping to either be Kermit, Professor Honeydew or that American Eagle. More likely Animal, Beacker or Gonzo.

You are right this is a waste of money. Years of watching sport tells me the next campaign might learn from this review and act on it. But chances are we will see another failed campaign years from now and the need for another review. Sports organisations are like governments they like reviews and reports to be commissioned.