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gREVUS

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Fuck SOO - I'd have a yearly Four Nations tournament and frequent international test matches instead all day, every day.

Your a member of a very small minority called kiwis then, and im a Kiwi and even i dont agree with you. SOO gets world wide coverage, they earn almost as much in those 3 games as they make in half a season. SOO needs to stay.

But that doesnt mean that Kiwis need to be part of it. This game proved so much, this test even more. The reality is until the Australians get beaten regularly they wont see international sport as a real contest. In the past its been a reward for a good season, - you know go overseas earn some dosh and play some push over game.

When its not a push over, when players risk getting hurt or dare i say it LOSING, more of them will opt out of internationals and Australia will get beaten even more often. And only then will they start talking about national pride. Not before.
 

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Nice to see the depth emerging in our ranks. For all the whinging from Australia our "B" team of players who didn't play on the weekend would be decent (although for the most part not as good as the players they were missing)

1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck/Hoffman
2. Dallin Watene-Zelezniak
3. Hurrell
4. Beale
5. Hoffman/Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
6. John
7. Marshall
8. JWH
9. Leuluai
10. McKendry
11. Matulino
12. Taylor
13. Glenn

14. Kasiano
15. Moa
16. Henry
17. Pritchard

Still no room for Thompson/FPN/Matagi/Rapira etc
 
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Aussies mentioning they were under strength; tough. They have often said they could win with their B or C team well they had players out we had players out. We won.

They have never cared if they play an under strength side. How many times have we not had a specialist in a position or had to wait for a player to be released by a Super League side only to arrive 24 hours before the game. The Aussies have a great record but it would be a lot better over those years if the stood up for us and made sure they had a full strength opposition to play against.

My favourite article so far has been the "Australian officials seething about the wrestling tactics used"
Australians complaining about wrestling. Gee I've just about heard it all now. Their whole style of play is designed on the wrestle, slowing down the play the ball and getting the opposition to concede ill discipline penalties.
 
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It's great yeah but guys like Mutts and JWH have never played in a Kiwi's jersey like those blokes I mentioned have. Mutts club form has been pretty poor and JWH goes missing in games v Oz. Moa is a bit different though, he's been strong in the past but yeah those guys have some work to do to get past the incumbents is all I'm saying. JWH in my eyes should not play again unless we really need him. A. He's a thug B. He goes missing when things get tough and C. He made himself unavailable because he was tired. Pretty poor.
Have you forgotten JWH taunting Petero and smashing anything and everything in green 'n' gold on debut, granted it has been a long time between drinks BUT he WILL pull his head out of his arse and do it again. Matulino is very similar in performance to Bromwich in that a lot of the time their work goes unnoticed even though recently Bromwich has truly established his standing at International level, Mutts will also.
 
Have you forgotten JWH taunting Petero and smashing anything and everything in green 'n' gold on debut, granted it has been a long time between drinks BUT he WILL pull his head out of his arse and do it again. Matulino is very similar in performance to Bromwich in that a lot of the time their work goes unnoticed even though recently Bromwich has truly established his standing at International level, Mutts will also.

You really have no issue with guys who under perform do you? Let's go on current performance. Who would you drop to bring in Mutts and JWH then? Bromich? Beastwood? Taupau? Blair would be the only one who you could argue, but he brings experience and leadership to a young team.

What do you mean Bromich's work goes unnoticed? He is the best prop in the game, his go forward and work rate trumps Mutts by a mile and he's a better offloader too. He's bloody brilliant.
 
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Mannering has already won a Four-Nations 2010 and World Cup 2008

Lift the trophy as Captain I meant, those teams, especially in the media, were sort of seen as Benji and then the rest, personally i found this one more satisfying than the 2010 one, as we did get a massive forward pass break in that game, and it was more of an arm wrestle than us dominating and them desperately fighting back.

2008 is probably still tops, even though the difference between a world cup and four nations, isnt that big, being able to call themselves world champions was pretty sweet, plus they literally threw the game away, stuart threw a hissy fit, good times.
 
You really have no issue with guys who under perform do you? Let's go on current performance. Who would you drop to bring in Mutts and JWH then? Bromich? Beastwood? Taupau? Blair would be the only one who you could argue, but he brings experience and leadership to a young team.

What do you mean Bromich's work goes unnoticed? He is he is a best prop in the game, his go forward and work rate trumps Mutts by a mile and he's a better offloader too. He's bloody brilliant.
I bet you cried foul when TL was selected in the squad and then shit yourself when he was named in the starting 9 spot all based on your opinion of his form for our team the Warriors, probably hanging off his nuts now after how well he played at dummy half and Mutts is in exactly the same boat. Before Ben's injury he was the off-loading, wide running, try scoring freak we all knew he could be. JWH has let his ego become his enemy, he should be questioning his Mana about now and if he finds the right answer/attitude that saw him picked for his debut he'll be starting opposite Bromwich.

Of course this is all semantics until at least the ANZAC test comes around, point is don't write these fullas off yet.
 
Lift the trophy as Captain I meant, those teams, especially in the media, were sort of seen as Benji and then the rest, personally i found this one more satisfying than the 2010 one, as we did get a massive forward pass break in that game, and it was more of an arm wrestle than us dominating and them desperately fighting back.

2008 is probably still tops, even though the difference between a world cup and four nations, isnt that big, being able to call themselves world champions was pretty sweet, plus they literally threw the game away, stuart threw a hissy fit, good times.
I reckon we'll win a GF in his time, shouldn't be waiting long now.

Every win against them is special, but to beat them 24-0 in 05 was amazing!
 
Hi guys. I have had a chance to read alot of threads post match and soak in the win from saturday.

I felt we would win and we did, my guess was we would win by 8 and we did until the end. it was a similar win to the first one. there wasnt any fluke to it. we out muscled them again. trusted in our halves to outplay their opponents and established a strong defensive squad who i think are equally as good in the wrestle as the aussies. It was an emotional moment as a kiwis supporter since 1998 where i witnessed my first ever kiwis game at harbour stadium as a young kid. to witness a complete onslaught in the forwards. i knew from our first set when our forwards were already poking their heads through the tackle that aussie were in for a long day. then the reassurance that we had beastwood and taupau coming off the bench didn't leave me anxious for a collapse in punch. the interchanges were perfectly timed.

One thing i noticed was a change in the selection of players the kiwis chose from the anzac test. like a team that drafts well in say the nfl or nba the kiwis i think chose forwards who had a low turnover ratio and good footwork at the line. for years ive been waiting for kiwi forwards who werent easy targets front on trying to bowl over their aussie forwards, now weve found guys like taumalolo and id say beastwood is as good at the line with his footwork, guys who can charge at the line identify seams in the line and adjust their line without losing momentum. All the forwards had hardly any loose carries or silly mistakes or penalties.

It seemed like the offload gods were watching over us the whole tournament. never really saw a bad off load, most were safe with a guy really aware and around the player offloading.

I was worried our edge backrowers would stifle our offense, the likes of manners and proctor arent really game breaking edge backrowers but they didnt really need to this tournament, alot of our attacking raids came from the middle being sucked up then simply drawing and passing to the outside.

I think peta hiku grew into his jersey. we wer all saying he should never touch the fullback jersey after the anzac test but they trusted in him and he delivered the goods. it was good to see a bigger fullback as opposed to say locke or hoffman. he added abit of punch on returns and was constantly looking for seems to attack. i need to see a full season of Roger Tuivasa-Sheck at fullback to determine if i would have him over hiku but for now hiku is our number one guy.

I posted that i thought manu and nightingales years in the kiwis jersey were done. how wrong could i be. manus returns to be honest probably won us the game. if your looking for an overlooked reason that is probably one. just did not stop, he mustve had at least 300m lol. the kiwis did what the warriors have been struggling to do since jro left. give the big man some isolation plays 5m out with his opposite on an island and 8 out of 10 times he'll score. the cut out pass by hiku was on the money with manu at full steam and matautia on his own there was only one result. nightingale is class, could go down as one of the kiwis best ever servants, mr reliable, nothing amazing and nothing horrible bar his biggest error in his kiwis career in the first game. im gonna say both these guys could possibly make it to the world cup, it depends on fitness and age but if they felt like this is their time to go out in the sun then i wont be mad but they have at least another 2 years in the jersey.

Johnson and Foran. THese will become household names for the next 10 years. the combination these two are creating is something we have never seen before. if foran comes to the warriors where year in year out theyre playing together its gonna be crazy. i think foran has kind of hit his ceiling and has mastered what hes good at whereas shaun has alot of room to grow into.

turning towards the front office and managment i have to give the selectors and kearney some credit. He has 3 titles as kiwis coach, probably the most successful kiwis coach apart from graham lowe. a world cup and two four nations titles is no small feat. I wanna also give credit to the behind the scenes guys who i think have alot to do with this years success. Kidwell is no slouch and i think hes being groomed to do the job post world cup 2017 if kearney quits. Also the trainer guy from manly i think has something to do with the fitness and on field communication from on high, he is great at manly and it was a great addition to the training staff.

I dont think the roosters players get another shot at the jersey, i think they brought the wrong culture to the world cup last year, the fpn and the jwhs and moa unless they buy into this new standard of play and commitment then i dont think they get another chance to play for the kiwis. Remember on paper it looked like we had chosen the best ever squad to go to the world cup you match that team list with this years and it doesnt match except the guys this year had more heart and commitment than the others. The guys they brought in this year are smart, committed, and dont bring unneeded drama to the team culture.

The way forward i believe for the kiwis is building upon this team. this is our team for the next 5 to 10 years. like the slaters and the thurstons and smiths who have never lost their jersey to anyone else, the likes of johnson, foran, taumalolo, whare, bromich, beastwood i believe we need guys that keep their spots and hold together the standard that we have set from this tournament.

I feel to counter the origin and nrl effect we need to take the kiwis brand further and beyond the southern hemishpere. the kiwis should play 6 tests a year. at least 2 months a year should be devoted to international rugby league. Forget australia, let them do their thing. instead strengthen the rivalry with england and the pacific nations while expanding the tour concept. As soon as the grand final is over next year i would have the boys on a plane to the usa to play a friendly with the tomahawks at gillete stadium in new england. then we fly to france and play them in a one off then we play england 3 times. We're expanding the brand like the all blacks, we then are in the news for at least 2 months a year talking international footy at the same time as playing are newest and biggest rivalry that will draw crowds of 80,000 at old trafford. Dream big. its not just about beating aussie its about making the kiws brand as big as the all blacks.
 
I'd like to commend one of the lesser skilled players who helped make a true difference.

Lewis Brown - Played limited minutes in his career at hooker but showed great spark and enthusiasm. I think he added to the team when he came on and we missed him against England.
 
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Not sure if accident or design the Kearney got almost every single player really contributing (can’t say that about eng or aus, some stand outs, some blokes looking like the step up was way too much)

The likes of Taylor definitely would have made the squad, but though he’s a good player, he's never looked as good as Proctor or Harris did.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck could have filled Nightingales place, and probably will next year.

Sam Moa is a must pick, if Australia come to their senses and field a heavyweight pack next time, Thaiday looked like he was ready to give up the ghost battling our guys.

Jared will play for the kiwis again, but he is at about number 4 or 5 in the propping pecking order.

The rest of them, Glenn, Matulino, Hoffman, McKendry are all at that fill in for injury stage. Which is good, being selected for the kiwis is now an achievement, instead of just scraping up anyone eligible with NRL experience.
 
So now we get an advantage because we don't play Origin? Now that's some spin doctoring right there.

Talking about level playing field. Lol.

Aus - 18/24 played finals footy
NZ - 12/24 played finals footy

It's not much different really, when you count origin and only some back up

Also what's hilarious is that the players in this comp get to start pre-season later, have a rest while everyone else in the club teams are having their asses handed to them in drill training
 

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It's great yeah but guys like Mutts and JWH have never played in a Kiwi's jersey like those blokes I mentioned have. Mutts club form has been pretty poor and JWH goes missing in games v Oz. Moa is a bit different though, he's been strong in the past but yeah those guys have some work to do to get past the incumbents is all I'm saying. JWH in my eyes should not play again unless we really need him. A. He's a thug B. He goes missing when things get tough and C. He made himself unavailable because he was tired. Pretty poor.

i agree entirely… the incumbants from this tourney are absolutely deserving of perserverance. Anyone else will have to play out of their skin to deserve selection… exactly how it should be
 
I bet you cried foul when TL was selected in the squad and then shit yourself when he was named in the starting 9 spot all based on your opinion of his form for our team the Warriors, probably hanging off his nuts now after how well he played at dummy half and Mutts is in exactly the same boat. Before Ben's injury he was the off-loading, wide running, try scoring freak we all knew he could be. JWH has let his ego become his enemy, he should be questioning his Mana about now and if he finds the right answer/attitude that saw him picked for his debut he'll be starting opposite Bromwich.

Of course this is all semantics until at least the ANZAC test comes around, point is don't write these fullas off yet.

Haha TL was shit whenever he played for the Warriors this season he was an embarrassment and I'm still not a fan. When he played 9 for the Warriors he was utter trash but hey you keep riding his jock oblivious to his shithouse form. If he plays well at 9 next season though, is consistent and can actually stay on the paddock then fair play to him. Love the way he had 2 decent games for the Kiwis and everyone is back on the bandwagon. The dude can't even stay fit.

As for the others, I'm not writing them off Im just saying the incumbents have set a standard higher than what those guys were doing previously.
 
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Haha TL was shit whenever he played for the Warriors this season he was an embarrassment and I'm still not a fan. When he played 9 for the Warriors he was utter trash but hey you keep riding his jock oblivious to his shithouse form. If he plays well at 9 next season though, is consistent and can actually stay on the paddock then fair play to him. Love the way he had 2 decent games for the Kiwis and everyone is back on the bandwagon. The dude can't even stay fit.

As for the others, I'm not writing them off Im just saying the incumbents have set a standard higher than what those guys were doing previously.
Of course Tommy's form this season wasn't good, he had a difficult injury, no pre-season and wankers with unrealistic expectations and no patience. But he is definitely capable of bettering anything Friend has brought.
 
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Such a satisfying victory well done Kearney very humble man.. has had many assistants along the way but one thing as head coach he has taken us to big finals matches and come up trumps so I salute you sir.

This tournament we had the necessary squad to deal with those pressure situations like winning that Samoan match then the England match the experienced wise men like Manu, Nightingale, SKD, Mannering, Eastwood, Blair , the balance of the squad was wrong at the World Cup, this time it was spot on

Can really build from this tournament win considering how young most of the squad are, Hiku, Whare, Johnson, Bromwich, Taumalolo, Taupau to name a few.. real gifted talents that will threaten the Kangaroos for years to come!.
 
Of course Tommy's form this season wasn't good, he had a difficult injury, no pre-season and wankers with unrealistic expectations and no patience. But he is definitely capable of bettering anything Friend has brought.

Probably true but no one was being a wanker....he was bought in when he hadn't earned a spot and put in ahead of a guy who was playing far better in Townsend and that may have cost us. TL is a god awful NRL half. Let's hope he gets it together at 9...
 

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