General Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard Trial

[snake77]

Has anyone been watching the Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard trial?

The media have been doing what they have done since they were first divorced having Depp as guilty even though he has never been convicted. Even now that more and more evidence has come out that her evidence doesn't match the claims.

We have discussed the main stream media vs alternate sources in the covid thread. This case has shown if the case wasn't broadcast the media would of gas lit the public as most of the media focus is still negative to Depp even if its only a few points for that day. That is what gets reported.

The case has provided some funny moments with memes like megapint or TikToks for "A dog stepped on my bee". Her lawer objecting to his own question, another of her lawyers spending 5 minutes asking a witness about muffins.

 

[snake77]

Dan Wootton who wrote the article for the Sun which led to the UK trial said Amber Heard would be a good witness.

Her direct she ended up making up more accusations on the stand, got her facts wrong and had to back track on the third day when they came back from the break. The back tracking would of looked suspect as when you are on the stand you are not supposed to consult with your lawyer about your testimony. But they came back in tune fixing their facts.

She also would of looked like a different person on the stand each day as he obviously went online or talked to people between the days she was on the stand.

Her cross examination was a disaster as she was constantly impeached as none of her facts were consistent.

Her redirect where her lawyer is supposed to try and fix things up was a disaster as she can't ask questions without being objected to. She thinks you can get your question objected and then just say "What if any" to get around it. Got to the point she did the tea pot pose and gave up.

 

[mrblonde]

I think Mr Depp could have said us all a shitload of time by saying three words: "Guilty, Your Honour." on the first day. Miss Heard takes the stand two minutes later: "Guilty, Your Honour." Both get found guilty of being absolute arseholes.

Idiot should never have taken Ms Heard to court. I don't know how public Mr Depp's and Ms Heard's divorce hearings were, but I don't think any domestic violence allegations raised between the two became that public. If he's got nothing to hide, why is he taking her to court? The 2018 piece she wrote doesn't mention anyone by name. So he's got public deniability. Well, he did, until he or his mentally defective - or maybe simply financially needy/wanty - legal advice decided "She defamed me in that article! COURT!"

Neither of them come out as remotely likeable from this whole mess.

FWIW, I think Assange was guilty, too. Why run and hide until the Statute of Limitations rule (or whatever it's called or however it's defined, I'm not Saul Goodman!) applies?!

 

[snake77]

Yesterday was a dumpster fire for Amber Heard. It was her witnesses being called in.

The expert they brought it allowed Depps lawyers to let the jury now Justice for Johnny is trending so they will get that in their mind. They also allowed Depp's lawyers to bring in Amber Turd.

Adam Waldman who is JD's lawyer who is the reason for the counter claim was able to hide behind client attorney privilege. So all the jury would here was "Advised not to answer" followed by "I'll follow the advisement".

He accused Heard of organising a hoax and is the person she needs to get under oath with information to get her counter claim as her losses added up to $2 million not $100 million. Instead they asked Waldman about the hoax and he listed off examples of inconsistencies and named witnesses along with saying he took a binder to the polices with evidence to open up a perjury investigation. So her own lawyer had a witness that told the jury about their own client and perjury.

 

[mrblonde]

Bit off this case but the "Wagatha Christie" case between some WAG and some other WAG:

Both WAGs were more-or-less told off for being in the stand, being cross-examined and using the phrase "Well, if I'm being honest."

Yes. Seriously.

 

[snake77]

I think Mr Depp could have said us all a shitload of time by saying three words: "Guilty, Your Honour." on the first day. Miss Heard takes the stand two minutes later: "Guilty, Your Honour." Both get found guilty of being absolute arseholes.

Idiot should never have taken Ms Heard to court. I don't know how public Mr Depp's and Ms Heard's divorce hearings were, but I don't think any domestic violence allegations raised between the two became that public. If he's got nothing to hide, why is he taking her to court? The 2018 piece she wrote doesn't mention anyone by name. So he's got public deniability. Well, he did, until he or his mentally defective - or maybe simply financially needy/wanty - legal advice decided "She defamed me in that article! COURT!"

Neither of them come out as remotely likeable from this whole mess.

FWIW, I think Assange was guilty, too. Why run and hide until the Statute of Limitations rule (or whatever it's called or however it's defined, I'm not Saul Goodman!) applies?!

For the divorce they had an NDA. Which from his point of view may have been for privacy and to hide that she was hitting him.

She came out and got a temporary restraining order (TRO) to kick off the divorce but that seems like advice from her lawyers so she still had somewhere to live and potentially keep their penthouses. She also went in front of the media with bruises and made announcements. The next day no bruises and seen laughing with one of her friends.

The Op Ed doesn't have his name but media organisations around the world did report it as her writing about him.

The Op Ed is now looking really suspect with the ACLU involvement.

She went out of her way to be the face of domestic violence but is an abuser herself which is why I am off about this as the media don't acknowledge it.

During the UK trial and a bit for this one I was well if he hit her he needs to live with it and will likely lose the case. All he will get out of it would be his side that he was abused. The UK case had a higher burden he needed to prove but the judge on that case seemed pretty dodgy. Now after 4-5 weeks and his story is consistent and hers and her witnesses stories are not consistent or proven to be lies it looks like there is enough to say he was the abused not the abuser.

 

[snake77]

Bit off this case but the "Wagatha Christie" case between some WAG and some other WAG:

Both WAGs were more-or-less told off for being in the stand, being cross-examined and using the phrase "Well, if I'm being honest."

Yes. Seriously.

I haven't looked into this one only just heard about it as it was discussed on the radio from a UK reporter.

I was going to look into the Marilyn Manson case as it is meant to be weirder than the Depp case. His ex has meant to have written a fake FBI letter using a real FBI agents name and sent that around.

 

[snake77]

I've been following this for a while as a lot of evidence has been out there with YouTubers breaking things down.

One cool part was some of them were mentioned during Adam Waldman's testimony as he admitted to talking to them. All that did was confirm what they have been saying came from a credible source.

 

[matiunz]

Don’t think Depp is 100% clean but Heard comes across as a bit of a psychopath.
Think it’s important that Depp has made a stand for men being cancelled on little more than an accusation though.

 

[snake77]

Don’t think Depp is 100% clean but Heard comes across as a bit of a psychopath.
Think it’s important that Depp has made a stand for men being cancelled on little more than an accusation though.

The fact he has making a stand has drawn a lot of criticism.

Here in NZ we have had local reporters repeating the rhetoric its unfair as she has to face her abuser, another that it's unfair as he has more money and can bully her during the court case. Another why do people hate her but doesn't state anything about her lying or inconsistencies in her stories its all because she's a victim.

Depp has had allegations against him for 6 years which has damaged his career. Some media organisations even with evidence won't write about it as they don't want to touch him as he's essentially marked guilty.

As Heard's case is falling over its now returning to "Believe all woman". She is not accusing him of just a slap or a push its rape and close to attempted murder.

The media want "believe all woman" and argue it will stop other abuse victims from not coming forward. If you look online people are posting that they were abused and the injuries lasted weeks to months. They didn't go out the next day with no marks or swelling. It also ignores that men can be abused as well and men have issues coming forward. There are woman's refuge locations for woman that have been abused. There isn't many for men, think I've seen the UK only has one.

Depp is lucky as he has the capital to defend himself in court. Imagine if an ordinary guy had these accusations made up about them. They would be deemed guilty and their life destroyed.

 

[snake77]

I've been watching a lot of lawyers covering this case. The general consensus has been the defamation is hard to prove and the case was easily defendable for Heard. But Heard's case has been a mess. Part of that has been her initial allegations weren't just he hit me it was this photo shows me with two black eyes and a broken nose. People looked at that and it raised questions especially with her being on talk shows the next day with nothing wrong with her.

She then had to try and keep her story straight from what she has previously testified to under oath. That ended up with her constantly being impeached.

It's like someone going fishing and the story of how they caught the fish has gotten longer as they struggled to bring it in and the fish has gotten larger and larger each time it's been told.

 

[demco]

She is guilty as charged Bankrupt her. She will probably finish on the streets selling her self to pay for her drug habits. she is not a lady I would want to know.

 

[matiunz]

The fact he has making a stand has drawn a lot of criticism.

Here in NZ we have had local reporters repeating the rhetoric its unfair as she has to face her abuser, another that it's unfair as he has more money and can bully her during the court case. Another why do people hate her but doesn't state anything about her lying or inconsistencies in her stories its all because she's a victim.

Depp has had allegations against him for 6 years which has damaged his career. Some media organisations even with evidence won't write about it as they don't want to touch him as he's essentially marked guilty.

As Heard's case is falling over its now returning to "Believe all woman". She is not accusing him of just a slap or a push its rape and close to attempted murder.

The media want "believe all woman" and argue it will stop other abuse victims from not coming forward. If you look online people are posting that they were abused and the injuries lasted weeks to months. They didn't go out the next day with no marks or swelling. It also ignores that men can be abused as well and men have issues coming forward. There are woman's refuge locations for woman that have been abused. There isn't many for men, think I've seen the UK only has one.

Depp is lucky as he has the capital to defend himself in court. Imagine if an ordinary guy had these accusations made up about them. They would be deemed guilty and their life destroyed.

Doesn’t surprise me the NZ media portray it that way. Keep getting more and more shocked at how slanted the news is over there each time. Last I spoke to mates in uk that had just made it back after a long time locked out they described it as the ‘propaganda cult’ NZ =best anything contrary = lies.
Think the ‘believe all women’ movement has swung too far and it is largely media driven, glad someone high profile is kicking back in the Men= evil, women= perpetual victims narrative.
Truth is both men and women are both equally capable of appalling behaviour and a big part of equality that gets missed is responsibility for your actions.
Heard came out and made a claim- she profited both financially from speaking tours and generally from the publicity. Her target has the right of rebuttal, however was instantly treated as guilty and lost out on 2 major franchises and blacklisted from 2 of the biggest studios- based on what could well be (and looks likely) a lie, that’s essentially fraud and there needs to be consequences

 

[snake77]

Doesn’t surprise me the NZ media portray it that way. Keep getting more and more shocked at how slanted the news is over there each time. Last I spoke to mates in uk that had just made it back after a long time locked out they described it as the ‘propaganda cult’ NZ =best anything contrary = lies.
Think the ‘believe all women’ movement has swung too far and it is largely media driven, glad someone high profile is kicking back in the Men= evil, women= perpetual victims narrative.
Truth is both men and women are both equally capable of appalling behaviour and a big part of equality that gets missed is responsibility for your actions.
Heard came out and made a claim- she profited both financially from speaking tours and generally from the publicity. Her target has the right of rebuttal, however was instantly treated as guilty and lost out on 2 major franchises and blacklisted from 2 of the biggest studios- based on what could well be (and looks likely) a lie, that’s essentially fraud and there needs to be consequences

It will be ironic after this if she ends up blacklisted from some major studios and it is looking like she will be from Disney and Warner Brothers.

Disney wanted to stay out of it and offered to do a limited search. She sacked her lawyers and came back wanted a more thorough search and started demanding they do as she requested. The funny thing with the search was one of Depp's witnesses said they way Hollywood works you won't see anything written and it will just get announced when a decision is made (contracts work the same way). Her next witness (her agent) couldn't list opportunities she lost as its not documented. Some of their mistakes you would expect from a comedy show.

The Disney expert wasn't involved with casting decisions. It was like they send the lady from the paper room.

Warner Brothers didn't want to be dragged into it as it was going to affect two big franchises. Depp agreed with that and Heard brought Aquaman into it. Fantastic Beasts flopped and Aquaman 2 looks like it could tank due to her involvement. WB and Aquaman is funny to look into as Jason Mamoa and WB don't follow her, Mamoa follows Depp. WB follow Elmo but don't follow Amber Heard.

Even if Depp doesn't win on all counts he has redeemed his reputation. Dior is doing well due to standing by him. He would be able to work again. Heard I can see being blacklisted.

 

[snake77]

The media won't admit to her lying besides a few snippets even though her cross examination pretty much tore her apart. She provided so much information they would of had to choose what they would show the jury. Basically pick their battles on what was important.

James Franco was her neighbour. A lot of people following the case no he has never lived there. There is an interview with someone who live at the ECB and has done a walk through and gone through the elevator and up to the penthouses Depp owned.

Ok that's a small lie so lets go to a bigger one.

According to her he cut of his finger from assaulting her. She was naked and barefoot and he cut his hand on a phone. There is audio after the incident with the doctor and nurse looking for his finger. They are not aware they are being recorded (Heard wasn't aware she was recording until hours later). They never ask her why she is naked or if she needs medical attention from being attacked or for her feet which should be cut to shred from glass.

She admits she did it to him and is shocked she caused all of the blood. She storms off and you can hear high heels so now bare feet on broken glass. The doctor and nurse say she is suffering from guilt and she should be flown back to America with Jerry Judge as he won't be manipulated. The doctor and nurse talk about covering for her with the police as JD wouldn't want her to get in trouble, likely something she's had all her life getting off things.

She comes back and starts trying to spin a story, not sleeping for hours like she stated.

The next day no marks on her and a few days later she is doing ballet preparing for a role. No injuries from her feet on broken glass.

 

[snake77]

Listening to lawyers talking about this the chances of a counter claim is pretty rare. This would be one of the few times as so far Heard's team hasn't been able to prove anything for her counter claim.

It's likely the judge will let it go ahead to a jury as the decision then won't come back on her as it is the easier decision. It could also sway the jury if they see the counter claim has been thrown out.

 

[snake77]

Amber Heard today.

 

[wizards rage]

Haven’t followed the case but read your assessment snake77 and you where spot on.

She’s blaming his celebrity power for the judgement going against her

“I’m heartbroken that the mountain of evidence still was not enough to stand up to the disproportionate power, influence, and sway of my ex-husband,”

 

[snake77]

Haven’t followed the case but read your assessment snake77 and you where spot on.

She’s blaming his celebrity power for the judgement going against her

“I’m heartbroken that the mountain of evidence still was not enough to stand up to the disproportionate power, influence, and sway of my ex-husband,”

Her lawyers said in their opening about all of the evidence they were going to show. Some of that ended up being.

The same photo was put in evidence from different times of the day for the same incident. She was questioned during cross-examination that it was the same photo just the saturation was changed, her hair magically fell into the same poisiton. This was then validated by the meta data.

The same photo of the house was used for two different events. The wine spilt on the floor with the same pattern. She argued that this was minor and she had mountains of evidence. People don't have as much evidence as she has.

On her first time on the stand, she said she had a lot of photos but wasn't allowed to show them. Basically putting that into the jurors heads and throwing her lawyers under the bus.

The experts between the two parties were telling. Depp's were professional and helped build their case. Heard's were unprofessional and for the psychologists some of their methodology/conclusions were unethical. The psychologist Depp had as an expert witness was on the money. Everything will be everyone else's fault and she will double down.

Heard faked her PTSD symptoms and ended up getting higher than combat veterans despite it being done years after their relationship.

The caravan in the trailer park was trashed and the owner was furious. He testified to $60 worth of damage due to two light fixtures. Heard said she had never seen him before and was coming out for the Johnny Depp show. She backed down when asked are they lying under oath?

It would of been easier to take her seriously if she owned up to something. There is audio of her admitting it is her fault he lost the tip of his finger. Even during that audio she went off and came back trying to spin a story. Even that doesn't match her testimony. She said she was barefoot but you can hear her storm off in high heels. That audio wasn't admissible in court as it wasn't just the two of them but it would be a big reason why a lot of the public was against her as there were events they knew she was lying.

 

[snake77]

This article written locally in New Zealand is a good example of the media misreading the room.

It could be bad for domestic abuse victims coming forward. But you can't make accusations against someone and ruin their life. Depp has been marked as an abuser since these came out, he has been treated as guilty without a hearing.

Where the media is misreading things is the people most upset about this are domestic abuse survivors. Not because it will stop people coming forward but because her stories don't match up with what they have been through. Woman telling stories about being hit once or twice and their face swelling up to the point they cannot go outside. Heard's stories are close to attempted murder and then she says she covers minor bruising and goes out for the day. Or how she was a hero cause she thought back but that was only because the evidence showed she was hitting him.

Johnny Depp-Amber Heard defamation trial could be devastating for domestic violence survivors

"If they think that this is the response they might get… it's going to stop them from reaching out."

www.newshub.co.nz

The media have been angry that this has been televised. They were already reporting any minor thing bad for Depp during the case. If it wasn't televised they would have pushed that narrative hard. As it was televised people could see the evidence. I'm not saying all court cases should be televised but in this case it was the best decision.