Staff John Ackland

^^Well that's it in a nutshell right there, they take it serious at 9 year old level let alone college or 20's.

NZ children at 9 years old are told to go out and have fun with friends and enjoy it, heres your pie, potato chips and coke, well done son!.. "it's not about winning it's all about enjoyment and participation!" WTF is that attitude?!, this is what has seperated OZ and NZ at sports for years, NZ it's for enjoyment at that age ,Aussie kids all out to win fark the enjoyment part.

I assist with the coaching and it is all about structure.....how to hold your hands for the ball, where to put your head for the tackle, how to line up in D.....mate is amazing what they do here compared to what I was used back in NZ...I think the word is "Professionalism"...they have a must win at all costs mentality that carries through the ages.....Mental Toughness
 
^^And that's what makes the Kangaroos the professional and dominant force they are, that's why Origin is so dam good to watch, it's almost gospel and religous how their systems are taught right from school and as you mentioned carries through the ages.
 
I assist with the coaching and it is all about structure.....how to hold your hands for the ball, where to put your head for the tackle, how to line up in D.....mate is amazing what they do here compared to what I was used back in NZ...I think the word is "Professionalism"...they have a must win at all costs mentality that carries through the ages.....Mental Toughness


Coaching went on holiday during the 90s, got to the GC and stayed there, bloody amusement parks..I had a junior coach that taught us out there things like using the football to fend in the face and how to use your elbows effectively, as well as all the 1 percenters, putting players on there back-our team used to scream it out to each other, have a look before you get off the player, get in and be the 3rd tackler because it slows them down, so many nuances that the ozzies do.
Being a junior Coach is no easy task in CHCH, a committed team will do as you ask with only a little bit of moaning, a team that has a couple of whingers that think they are the bomb, can create havoc with any Coach and his ability to instil discipline because there is so little discipline and a lack of respect coming from the home and schools.
We had a couple of Samoan brothers in my schoolboy team, excellent players, one of them started a fight and their Mother who didn't attend many games, shamelessly walked on to the field and grabbed him by the ear and marched him off the field to the astonishment of everyone watching and barrelled him for his dirty play..hehehe you don't see enough of that, same Mother a few years later was abused at another game by an opposition player, didn't go well for him, not well at all u17s by then though..[DOUBLEPOST=1370926672,1370922583][/DOUBLEPOST]


I'll expand on this family, very interesting Rugby League family..

the 2 brothers in my team, both in probables v possibles unlucky not to make JK's, Cardinals and Canterbury players..Prop and 2nd row
An older brother in the year above was schoolboy kiwi 15s and 17s and gave up before 19s, Stand off
the younger brother JK all the way through, played for Hull and Illawarra. Standoff and centre before turning 110+ at 23-24, Prop lol.
2 younger brothers didn't reach the same as these 4 but very good League players..
The best of them all was the oldest who worked(bloody coconuts;) ), best tackler ever, centre- winger 85kgs of sinewy Island muscle, an unbelievable piece of poetry in motion, The FOB of the brothers, a Brian Lima like tackle, hearing the ribs cracking that way and the bwwwwooow huhh sound that comes immediately after lol..his technique and timing was flawless and at 65km an hour ooooweeee,
I watched him do it to 2 people in 5 minutes one time after our game and then got to play a few games with him a couple of years later, he was commuting from a dam down south and couldn't make every game, it was made a joke to have the ambulance standing by because of him and the real joke was they thought we were joking. I have never seen anything like him again, something ridiculous like 7 ambos in 8 or 9 games, mostly ribs but the odd ACL etc..
18 and playing for my clubs top side while my team had jumped ship MotherEFFERS.
The mighty Parklands Pegasus last year as a club..1977-1988 RIP, and 2 years before that happened we had a team in every grade bar Premiers and even that year pretty much every grade covered, my team played Manukau at Manukau, Hitro played for them, hooker those days..
some Premier clubs couldn't say the same. Useless managment Useless.
Best day ever- Terry Hermanson kicking a drop goal from the sideline to win the u19 grand final, hours after we had won ours.
 
Absolutely, I don't mind if the club is heading in a new direction with coaching structures and so forth but the least we can show Ackland is a bit of gratitude, a simple thank you, let's not diss the man for no reason. It's not his fault his juniors team game plan doesn't fit in line with the NRL side, he was only told to coach HIS team his way,not prepare them for NRL, anyway time moves on.

But it should fit in line with the NRL side. Surely they should be coaching the boys to play the way they will be wanting them to play if and when they make the FG side. Sure, they can rely on their natural size and steamroll over opposition but they must be taught the skill and everything that will be needed of them should they make the first grade team.

I remember a passage from the book Dreams to Nightmares about the Warriors from 95 through the Super League days.

It goes something about Luke Burt and Francis Meli playing in a junior game at Carlaw Park and how they are coached etc.

From what I can remember without pulling out the book it states that Meli is coached in his first junior teams by whichever parent can be bothered to put up their hands for the job. Moving on through the grades it gets a little better until they reach a club side etc etc. Moving on to Burt. He is playing for the junior Paramatta team who wear the club strip, are coached by a real coach who reports directly to the club and higher coaches, follows recognised coaching methods that the whole club uses etc etc etc.

Its very difficult here as we don't have the leagues clubs and junior sides right through the grades, but maybe its time to start something like that and get the grades all playing from the same coaching manual so the players are ready when they step up between the grades.
 
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Problem with the club is they are to stingy with there cash to fully support a reserve grade team; The concept hasn't worked IMO for the past few years except for this year where the pay packets have gone up for the part time contracted players who take the field every week.

People sing about Ackland moving on, but if he doesn't stay in the local scene, recruitment will come back to haunt the club in the 20's IMO.

Seriously who's the next 20's coach? Wane, Henry, Swann???

Good job imo. For both parties. Im glad he has moved on.

Clearly you cant teach a old dog new tricks. If Elliots 'regime' wanted to create change and he was an issue its good for the club.
Clearly there have been shortcomings in the 20s and its effect on devlopment of players.

See Tuimavave, Fishiahii etc.

All this idea that Ackland was responsible for scouting of players - people are quite fixated on the idea that he is responsible for signing juniors.
The Warriors have done a pretty good job on signing the best young talent - only one they missed out was Roger Tuivasa-Sheck - roosters shelled out toomuch and promised a FB spot.

However they obviously will have to stay on the ball - more and more NRL clubs in Auckland.

We have all heard the stories of how he scouted SBW & Asotasi. When the Warriors didnt have 20s or any real development.

Fact is he hasnt scouted these juniors - he has been the coach - his job has been to coach/develop these players.

The coach doesnt have to be the best coach in teh world - just fundamentally sound, understand elliot & co and somebody who can push these players.
 
Good job imo. For both parties. Im glad he has moved on.

Clearly you cant teach a old dog new tricks. If Elliots 'regime' wanted to create change and he was an issue its good for the club.
Clearly there have been shortcomings in the 20s and its effect on devlopment of players.

See Tuimavave, Fishiahii etc.

All this idea that Ackland was responsible for scouting of players - people are quite fixated on the idea that he is responsible for signing juniors.
The Warriors have done a pretty good job on signing the best young talent - only one they missed out was Roger Tuivasa-Sheck - roosters shelled out toomuch and promised a FB spot.

However they obviously will have to stay on the ball - more and more NRL clubs in Auckland.

We have all heard the stories of how he scouted SBW & Asotasi. When the Warriors didnt have 20s or any real development.

Fact is he hasnt scouted these juniors - he has been the coach - his job has been to coach/develop these players.

The coach doesnt have to be the best coach in teh world - just fundamentally sound, understand elliot & co and somebody who can push these players.
The bastard missed tuivassa/Sheck he was a school boy 2 years ago,granted we can't pick them all . but we should pick up the majority of the good stock around are own region[DOUBLEPOST=1370948828,1370947506][/DOUBLEPOST]
But it should fit in line with the NRL side. Surely they should be coaching the boys to play the way they will be wanting them to play if and when they make the FG side. Sure, they can rely on their natural size and steamroll over opposition but they must be taught the skill and everything that will be needed of them should they make the first grade team.

I remember a passage from the book Dreams to Nightmares about the Warriors from 95 through the Super League days.

It goes something about Luke Burt and Francis Meli playing in a junior game at Carlaw Park and how they are coached etc.

From what I can remember without pulling out the book it states that Meli is coached in his first junior teams by whichever parent can be bothered to put up their hands for the job. Moving on through the grades it gets a little better until they reach a club side etc etc. Moving on to Burt. He is playing for the junior Paramatta team who wear the club strip, are coached by a real coach who reports directly to the club and higher coaches, follows recognised coaching methods that the whole club uses etc etc etc.

Its very difficult here as we don't have the leagues clubs and junior sides right through the grades, but maybe its time to start something like that and get the grades all playing from the same coaching manual so the players are ready when they step up between the grades.
Great post that's what I've said we should try, right from the under 12s thats the jnr warriors of the future. sign the good talent when they are young, just like they do with premier league clubs.man u signed beckham at 13 Ronaldo at 14,you know when someone has a gift even at that age.sooner we get a jnr academy the better
 
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The bastard missed tuivassa/Sheck he was a school boy 2 years ago,granted we can't pick them all . but we should pick up the majority of the good stock around are own region
My understanding was that Sheck was a Union player and only joined the Otahuhu College League team to play in the tournament. Could be wrong. Might have to check with my Otahuhu boys.

And no need to go calling him a bastard. The guy has devoted his entire life to league, Auckland league in particular, and deserves more respect then that...
 
My understanding was that Sheck was a Union player and only joined the Otahuhu College League team to play in the tournament. Could be wrong. Might have to check with my Otahuhu boys.

And no need to go calling him a bastard. The guy has devoted his entire life to league, Auckland league in particular, and deserves more respect then that...


Once again Ackland didnt scout or sign the juniors - like everybody assumes.
He was the coach.

I think that fell down to Ricky Henry and/or Dean Bell.

As for Sheck - he was a union player but had a bit of experience in league.
However he had played a few years for the otahuhu leopards when he could.

He played for the Counties rep side a few years back and even made the NZ 17s league team (I think)
Ritchie Blackmore coached the 17s and tried to push him to Vulcans when he took over.

He then captain Otahuhu College to national champs in league too.

The Warriors tried to sign him .... along with Broncos, Blues, Melbourne Storm et etc. all the big-guns.

Why did he sign with Roosters? Well the offered him over 100k+ from high school
Also promised him the FB spot in NRL after mini retires - probably best next year.

If the Warriors had Owen Glenn type money back then they could of tryed to match it.
But at the time remember they had Omar, Locke & Fish - all fullbacks - Roger Tuivasa-Sheck natural position.
 
My understanding was that Sheck was a Union player and only joined the Otahuhu College League team to play in the tournament. Could be wrong. Might have to check with my Otahuhu boys.

And no need to go calling him a bastard. The guy has devoted his entire life to league, Auckland league in particular, and deserves more respect then that...
I didn't mean any disrespect towards the man at all its just the way we speak down here. my apologies mt Wellington
 
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In regards to Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, spoke with his cousin at our club and he said the Warriors offered him top dollar, he would of been the highest paid 20's player at the Warriors; Roger Tuivasa-Sheck had a clever manager, bidding war started and the package from the roosters was to good to pass up, he basically got his family moved over Australia, with with help roosters , job assistance for the parents, league academy for his little bro, and accommodation near the university. Not many if any 20's players could of done that IMO and still get a decent pay packet. How can we of missed out on Roger Tuivasa-Sheck when he got a package like that from the Roosters.
 
But it should fit in line with the NRL side. Surely they should be coaching the boys to play the way they will be wanting them to play if and when they make the FG side. Sure, they can rely on their natural size and steamroll over opposition but they must be taught the skill and everything that will be needed of them should they make the first grade team.

I remember a passage from the book Dreams to Nightmares about the Warriors from 95 through the Super League days.

It goes something about Luke Burt and Francis Meli playing in a junior game at Carlaw Park and how they are coached etc.

From what I can remember without pulling out the book it states that Meli is coached in his first junior teams by whichever parent can be bothered to put up their hands for the job. Moving on through the grades it gets a little better until they reach a club side etc etc. Moving on to Burt. He is playing for the junior Paramatta team who wear the club strip, are coached by a real coach who reports directly to the club and higher coaches, follows recognised coaching methods that the whole club uses etc etc etc.

Its very difficult here as we don't have the leagues clubs and junior sides right through the grades, but maybe its time to start something like that and get the grades all playing from the same coaching manual so the players are ready when they step up between the grades.


It should fit in line with NRL side but it doesn't and we've known that for years, it's nothing new.

The plan of having all 3 grades align to a similar playing style is an exciting prospect and will make the transition from 20's and Vulcans to NRL much smoother.

Good story about Meli,Burt and the coaching scenario , I regularly go to watch my nephews play saturday morning league and that's pretty much how the schoolboys are coached, parents volunteering to warm the team up, parents make substitutes during the game haha, now that's totally unlike the Ozzie serious culture, that's just laid back NZ styles.
 
I regularly go to watch my nephews play saturday morning league and that's pretty much how the schoolboys are coached, parents volunteering to warm the team up, parents make substitutes during the game haha, now that's totally unlike the Ozzie serious culture, that's just laid back NZ styles.
I don't know if it's solely money that's the issue, but spending the bucks to attract and train junior coaches is the way to go in every sport. Even in football, there's a resurgence in German teams - 30,000 registered coaches, as opposed to England's 3,000, simply because they decided to pour the money into the game at local club level.