Staff John Ackland

[ramps]

i reacon riki henry should be u20's coach. he coached vulcans so hel know what theyl need to make the step up. then through vulcans theyl develop to fg where mcfadden and wane will be assistants to elliot. then elliot will become director and either wane or mcfadden become head coach and the other becomes assistant.. tht how i see it anyway

 

[OMG]

Problem with the club is they are to stingy with there cash to fully support a reserve grade team; The concept hasn't worked IMO for the past few years except for this year where the pay packets have gone up for the part time contracted players who take the field every week.

People sing about Ackland moving on, but if he doesn't stay in the local scene, recruitment will come back to haunt the club in the 20's IMO.

Seriously who's the next 20's coach? Wane, Henry, Swann???

The reserve grade is being costed at the moment, there is no point in the Warriors making a move without there being a true reserve grade comp, it's about logistics. Every club wants the reserve grade back so don't be surprise to see it back within 2 years and the u20s playing a lot of midweek games.

 

[koolkat]

i reacon riki henry should be u20's coach. he coached vulcans so hel know what theyl need to make the step up. then through vulcans theyl develop to fg where mcfadden and wane will be assistants to elliot. then elliot will become director and either wane or mcfadden become head coach and the other becomes assistant.. tht how i see it anyway

As long as ME is the overseer of the whole shebang,making sure the structures he is putting in are working I'm happy.i really starting to like where ME is taking us,there is a good future culture rebuilding thing at work going on behind the scenes that can only be a good thing,after last year

 

[ramraider78]

The reserve grade is being costed at the moment, there is no point in the Warriors making a move without there being a true reserve grade comp, it's about logistics. Every club wants the reserve grade back so don't be surprise to see it back within 2 years and the u20s playing a lot of midweek games.

Your right about one thing , the club will take over the Vulcans team soon, there's growing concern from the Auckland clubs over the concept, that it's not working, and the money involved is to huge for little return of investment.[DOUBLEPOST=1370911151][/DOUBLEPOST]

i reacon riki henry should be u20's coach. he coached vulcans so hel know what theyl need to make the step up. then through vulcans theyl develop to fg where mcfadden and wane will be assistants to elliot. then elliot will become director and either wane or mcfadden become head coach and the other becomes assistant.. tht how i see it anyway

another year of the coaching merry go round

 

[mode81]

The guy with the tatts steering at Ackland cracks me up, "you're outta here" look

In all fairness to Ackland he can only coach these under 20's to what fits their style and that's a power game, fine tuning and polish should come at NSW Cup level then be ready for NRL footy.

I would personally like to thank Ackland for his contribution to the club over many years and for guiding our juniors to grand final success, never easy to win an Australian comp with all the hostility and logistics involved. Regardless of whether you like him or hate him I think a bit of recognition is deserving for Ackland.

 

[OMG]

The guy with the tatts steering at Ackland cracks me up, "you're outta here" look

In all fairness to Ackland he can only coach these under 20's to what fits their style and that's a power game, fine tuning and polish should come at NSW Cup level then be ready for NRL footy.

I would personally like to thank Ackland for his contribution to the club over many years and for guiding our juniors to grand final success, never easy to win an Australian comp with all the hostility and logistics involved. Regardless of whether you like him or hate him I think a bit of recognition is deserving for Ackland.

We regularly see ozzie kids take to first grade like ducks to water, we have 2 Ducks but it has been a while since there has been anyone truly worthy of that step up, Omar and Floss are not the ducks I am talking about and were not worthy when they were given the opportunity.

 

[mode81]

^^Yeah but that's Aussie's for you, their kids are like programmed robots, from secondary school they already have discipline and structured systems, our boys are straight out of Fox which is amateur or scouted from union like Hurrell and Omar. Some players may go on to prosper at NRL some fall away, I wouldn't blame that on the coach, some players have it, some don't, but he has been successful as juniors coach in terms of results over a long time.

 

[Freddie Futler]

I heard that John walked into the local WINZ office to apply for the dole.

He marched straight up to the counter and said, “Hi. You know…., I just HATE drawing welfare. I’d really rather have a job.”

The social worker behind the counter said, “Your timing is excellent. We just got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who... wants a Chauffeur and bodyguard for his beautiful daughter. You’ll have to drive around in his 2011 Mercedes-Benz CL, and he will supply all of your clothes. Because of the long hours, meals will be provided. You’ll also be expected to escort the daughter on her overseas holiday trips. This is rather awkward to say but you will also have, as part of your job, the assignment to satisfy her sexual urges as the daughter is in her mid-20′s and has a rather strong sex drive.”

John, just plain wide-eyed, said, “You’re bull shittin’ me!”

The social worker said, “Yeah, well … You started it.”

 

[koolkat]

The guy with the tatts steering at Ackland cracks me up, "you're outta here" look

In all fairness to Ackland he can only coach these under 20's to what fits their style and that's a power game, fine tuning and polish should come at NSW Cup level then be ready for NRL footy.

I would personally like to thank Ackland for his contribution to the club over many years and for guiding our juniors to grand final success, never easy to win an Australian comp with all the hostility and logistics involved. Regardless of whether you like him or hate him I think a bit of recognition is deserving for Ackland.

Totally i thank him for what he has done for the club, and his success with the jnrs is outstanding.but we are heading in to another era direction under ME,we are just cleaning house after the cleary tenure it happens in every business.just one more left

 

[mode81]

Absolutely, I don't mind if the club is heading in a new direction with coaching structures and so forth but the least we can show Ackland is a bit of gratitude, a simple thank you, let's not diss the man for no reason. It's not his fault his juniors team game plan doesn't fit in line with the NRL side, he was only told to coach HIS team his way,not prepare them for NRL, anyway time moves on.

 

[ramps]

another year of the coaching merry go round[/quote]

yea but at least its within the club and were not dramatically changing anyone.. just putting people in the right places.. not too much of a merry go round

 

[Jay M]

We regularly see ozzie kids take to first grade like ducks to water, we have 2 Ducks but it has been a while since there has been anyone truly worthy of that step up, Omar and Floss are not the ducks I am talking about and were not worthy when they were given the opportunity.

I personally think that 20 is too young for a lot of players to seamlessly make the step-up to first grade. More naturally gifted players such as Folau and Inglis, Lockyer etc make it look easy because they are so naturally gifted - a lot of true superstars in the NRL would hardly play U20s - because at 18 they have already debuted in first grade... A lot of other players don't fully mature until they're closer to 25 or even later in some situations... Props, centres and halves (in my opinion) are some of the positions that you don't see all of their potential until they've closer to 30 than 20 (look at Frank Bunce in Union as an example)...

This is why, in my opinion, there needs to be a proper Reserve Grade comp. Some of the players have got the goods, they just need a bit more time to develop to show what they've got. Who knows how many of the discarded U20s players from any side could have been a superstar in their mid 20s, but instead are working 40 hrs a week playing league for fun at the weekends...

As for the Aussies kids stepping up easier than our boys - I tend to agree. But I think it's because of the coaching structures and systems that they have had in place for most of their time growing up, combined with competition for spots even in their junior ranks... Australians are born purely competitive and can't stand losing, it's embedded in their national psyche, whereas a lot of our kids these days are brought up thinking participation is fine... In Aus that would be unthinkable... I think our juniors have a lot more natural talent (and generally size) than a lot of the Aussie kids, but the competitive edge and the will to win sets the Aussies apart when they step up... They never give up...

 

[OMG]

I personally think that 20 is too young for a lot of players to seamlessly make the step-up to first grade. More naturally gifted players such as Folau and Inglis, Lockyer etc make it look easy because they are so naturally gifted - a lot of true superstars in the NRL would hardly play U20s - because at 18 they have already debuted in first grade... A lot of other players don't fully mature until they're closer to 25 or even later in some situations... Props, centres and halves (in my opinion) are some of the positions that you don't see all of their potential until they've closer to 30 than 20 (look at Frank Bunce in Union as an example)...

This is why, in my opinion, there needs to be a proper Reserve Grade comp. Some of the players have got the goods, they just need a bit more time to develop to show what they've got. Who knows how many of the discarded U20s players from any side could have been a superstar in their mid 20s, but instead are working 40 hrs a week playing league for fun at the weekends...

As for the Aussies kids stepping up easier than our boys - I tend to agree. But I think it's because of the coaching structures and systems that they have had in place for most of their time growing up, combined with competition for spots even in their junior ranks... Australians are born purely competitive and can't stand losing, it's embedded in their national psyche, whereas a lot of our kids these days are brought up thinking participation is fine... In Aus that would be unthinkable... I think our juniors have a lot more natural talent (and generally size) than a lot of the Aussie kids, but the competitive edge and the will to win sets the Aussies apart when they step up... They never give up...

Muscle memory is far too under rated in NZ, that time spent as a kid doing hours of up and down line drills and teaching the 1 percenters seems to have been neglected for a very long time.

 

[Jay M]

Muscle memory is far too under rated in NZ, that time spent as a kid doing hours of up and down line drills and teaching the 1 percenters seems to have been neglected for a very long time.

Was it Dallas Johnson who was concussed in an origin game in the first half, came back and made 25 tackles in the second - didn't remember anything about the game and put all the tackles down to muscle memory?

(not commenting on the concussion rules - more the importance of muscle memory)...

 

[OMG]

Was it Dallas Johnson who was concussed in an origin game in the first half, came back and made 25 tackles in the second - didn't remember anything about the game and put all the tackles down to muscle memory?

(not commenting on the concussion rules - more the importance of muscle memory)...

I think so, without googling it..Way under rated and of course it's one of the most boring things you can do at training, they all love the bag work, too many whinging kids these days, I have Coached teams where I wouldn't let them tackle bags on their natural shoulder, whining and moaning about being better on there good shoulder and that's the Adults lol..

 

[ramps]

Was it Dallas Johnson who was concussed in an origin game in the first half, came back and made 25 tackles in the second - didn't remember anything about the game and put all the tackles down to muscle memory?

(not commenting on the concussion rules - more the importance of muscle memory)...

nah i think it was ryan hoffman

 

[OMG]

nah i think it was ryan hoffman

Before then Budd, 07 knee from Kite..25 tackles in the 2nd half, You made me google it..

 

[ajofbrisbane]

We regularly see ozzie kids take to first grade like ducks to water, we have 2 Ducks but it has been a while since there has been anyone truly worthy of that step up, Omar and Floss are not the ducks I am talking about and were not worthy when they were given the opportunity.

Aussies take their league very seriously mate....my son plays under 9s and tried out for the under 35kg rep team....when he weighed in he was 35.4kg & not the heaviest....one kid was 37.2kg and that kid made the team....coach's response to how can they select a kid that is so far over the limit "we can force them to diet and give diuretics & they can weigh in, in their jocks....don't worry he will be right"...to me that is crap but it shows the extent and seriousness that league is taken over here

 

[OMG]

Aussies take their league very seriously mate....my son plays under 9s and tried out for the under 35kg rep team....when he weighed in he was 35.4kg & not the heaviest....one kid was 37.2kg and that kid made the team....coach's response to how can they select a kid that is so far over the limit "we can force them to diet and give diuretics & they can weigh in, in their jocks....don't worry he will be right"...to me that is crap but it shows the extent and seriousness that league is taken over here

When I was on the GC, I was a regular watcher of a couple of Runaway bay schoolboys teams 12s to 16s, better watch than the adults, I couldn't get over how well they all played structure and defensive line speeds, blew my mind coming from CHCH.

 

[mode81]

^^Well that's it in a nutshell right there, they take it serious at 9 year old level let alone college or 20's.

NZ children at 9 years old are told to go out and have fun with friends and enjoy it, heres your pie, potato chips and coke, well done son!.. "it's not about winning it's all about enjoyment and participation!" WTF is that attitude?!, this is what has seperated OZ and NZ at sports for years, NZ it's for enjoyment at that age ,Aussie kids all out to win fark the enjoyment part.