Staff Jim Doyle

[brightman]

Doyle seems to have got to know quite a few of the Kiwi boys from his time in charge of the NZRL, I would be very interested to know his opinion/assessment of Russell Packer

 

[Fazz]

From what Ive been told Scurrah liked to discuss things with management over a beer and gather input. Jim Doyle has meetings and says we are doing this, this and this. Two completely different styles of leadership. Scurrah went for the popular consensus. Jim isnt afraid of calling the shots.

Was also told one of the first things Doyle did was move Dean Bells recruitment and Duane Manns Pathways team out of the main floor and replace them with the Marketing and Membership teams so he could work closer with them...

Thank fuck. Hopefully there won't be anything resembling the "True Warrior" campaign again. Guilting your supporters into supporting an under performing team was some bullshit.

Even if we don't net another big fish, Doyle has already earned three years worth of wages with Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Luke alone. Another name would be great, but Doyle's already renewed my faith in the Warriors after a horrible start to the year.

 

[surfin]

The fact that I am incompetent at work has nothing to do with my behaviour during corporate hospitality.

You are absolutely correct,I hadn't thought of that, faultless behaviour in a corporate box doesn't prove excellence in your profession, I now retract all my previous statements.

 

[mt.wellington]

I look at it this way, ^^^, different styles, doesn't mean the less successful manager is only there for the piss up. Even under Scurrah the Warriors was financially one of the best run clubs. Eric Watson has his shit together so if the previous management group was so fucked would they have lasted so long. Like the playing squad you can only work with what's available so at the time, may be Scurrah was the best they could get. Because he has now been replaced by someone that is looking immensely better doesn't mean he had no clues.

Didnt suggest at all that Scurrah was inept or incompetent. Just sharing what was told to me almost verbatim by a member of the Warriors management team. Someone that had to move downstairs . Wasnt knocking Scurrah.

I appreciate the work that Scurrah has done. The finances of the club have never ever looked better and he can be applauded for bringing that sort of fiscal stability to the club. Even if the clubs jersey revenue has gone up while mine has gone down .

I think with Doyle though we are seeing a more hard lined approach across the entire organisation. Not just marketing, memberships, gate sales or merchandise but also the onfield performance of players, trainers and recruitment. He's taking responsibility for it all and integrating both the backroom and coalface. Previously we have two separate divisions with Scurrah running the office and John Hart or Dean Bell or the coach taking onfield reigns. From where Im standing the only thing Doyle doesnt do is train the boys, pick the team or wash the kit. Yet!!!

 

[Rick O'Shay]

Another point to note in this is the support of Watson and the board especially Chair Bill Wavish. No matter how good your CEO or GM is, he needs to have the mandate and support of the top table.

Based on results so far, it would seem "Jock" has it in spades

 

[surfin]

Didnt suggest at all that Scurrah was inept or incompetent. Just sharing what was told to me almost verbatim by a member of the Warriors management team. Someone that had to move downstairs . Wasnt knocking Scurrah.

I appreciate the work that Scurrah has done. The finances of the club have never ever looked better and he can be applauded for bringing that sort of fiscal stability to the club. Even if the clubs jersey revenue has gone up while mine has gone down .

I think with Doyle though we are seeing a more hard lined approach across the entire organisation. Not just marketing, memberships, gate sales or merchandise but also the onfield performance of players, trainers and recruitment. He's taking responsibility for it all and integrating both the backroom and coalface. Previously we have two separate divisions with Scurrah running the office and John Hart or Dean Bell or the coach taking onfield reigns. From where Im standing the only thing Doyle doesnt do is train the boys, pick the team or wash the kit. Yet!!!

I knew you weren't bagging him, was me just adding to what you said in regards to my posts with Freddie. One thing though, Doyles style can also become an issue if things turn to poo, Parramatta is a perfect example of how years of a one man band can become toxic when things start to go poorly on the field. Hell they are at the point of calling in police to control individuals and fractions during board elections. The Warriors are in a slightly different boat being privately owned, but lasts years soap opera shows that as an organisation they aren't above shit storms.

 

[mt.wellington]

I knew you weren't bagging him, was me just adding to what you said in regards to my posts with Freddie. One thing though, Doyles style can also become an issue if things turn to poo, Parramatta is a perfect example of how years of a one man band can become toxic when things start to go poorly on the field. Hell they are at the point of calling in police to control individuals and fractions during board elections. The Warriors are in a slightly different boat being privately owned, but lasts years soap opera shows that as an organisation they aren't above shit storms.

Yeah it was Freddie Futler post that jogged my memory on the whole 'sort it out over some beers' story I was told at the inter-club trial in Papakura.

Dont think Eric Watson will allow our club to become another Eels, Tigers or Manly type. Thats one good thing we have going for us in terms of owners...

 

[Stone]

I think in any other line of business Scurrah would be (has been) a very competent CEO, but a sports franchise is a vastly different enterprise to most other businesses

The success or failure of a sports franchise is ultimately based on the results of the team, not how much profit is being made by merchandising etc, to think otherwise is putting the cart before the horse imo

From an outside perspective Doyle seems to more than get this, as evidenced by his first priority seeming to be greatly enhancing the playing roster, whereas Scurrah's bottom line seemed to be profit through merchandising, which tbf he was very good at, but if you create a top flight winning team most of that side of the business takes care of itself anyway

To use a rugby union analogy, (please don't crucify me lol) for the most part foreign people overseas don't buy All Black jerseys because they love NZ, the colour black or even rugby union itself, they buy them because that jersey / team is associated with excellence of performance & a winning culture over a relatively long period of time

Doyle seems to understand this, wheres Scurrah seems to have not, I can't totally blame Scurrah though, as I personally do not know what executive directives he was being given by Eric "I Blatantly Rip People Off & Get Away With It" Watson, who I think, it is relatively safe to say, would put profit before everything

Here's hoping Doyle has the mana & the stones to tell Watson, "Its my way or I'm out chief" ... so far it looks like a very promising start

 

[mt.wellington]

I think in any other line of business Scurrah would be (has been) a very competent CEO, but a sports franchise is a vastly different enterprise to most other businesses

The success or failure of a sports franchise is ultimately based on the results of the team, not how much profit is being made by merchandising etc, to think otherwise is putting the cart before the horse imo

From an outside perspective Doyle seems to more than get this, as evidenced by his first priority seeming to be greatly enhancing the playing roster, whereas Scurrah's bottom line seemed to be profit through merchandising, which tbf he was very good at, but if you create a top flight winning team most of that side of the business takes care of itself anyway

To use a rugby union analogy, (please don't crucify me lol) for the most part foreign people overseas don't buy All Black jerseys because they love NZ or the colour black, they buy them because that jersey / team is associated with excellence of performance & a winning culture over a relatively long period of time

Been advocating that too. You name it. Merchandising, memberships, gate sales, profile, brand value, culture and even future recruitment sorts itself out as long as the team are winning. No need for large scale advertising or tacky training jerseys. To expand on your satanic analogy the All Blacks sell the same amount of jerseys as the Warriors. 98% at a guess would be the plain black version. No gimicky rasta Tap Out jerseys needed. Just success.

Doyle seems to understand this, wheres Scurrah seems to have not, I can't totally blame Scurrah though, as I personally do not know what executive directives he was being given by Eric "I Blatantly Rip People Off & Get Away With It" Watson, who I think it is safe to say would put profit before everything

He may rip people off in other areas of business but not the Warriors. Before Scurrah turned the clubs finances around Watson was writing out cheques for a million dollars a year to cover costs. Every year. He's also fiercely proud of never taking a cent out of the club. All profits have been reinvested into the club and Rugby League.

I dont care about his other business ventures. Thats for him and his investors to worry about...

 

[Stone]

Been advocating that too. You name it. Merchandising, memberships, gate sales, profile, brand value, culture and even future recruitment sorts itself out as long as the team are winning. No need for large scale advertising or tacky training jerseys. To expand on your satanic analogy the All Blacks sell the same amount of jerseys as the Warriors. 98% at a guess would be the plain black version. No gimicky rasta Tap Out jerseys needed. Just success.

He may rip people off in other areas of business but not the Warriors. Before Scurrah turned the clubs finances around Watson was writing out cheques for a million dollars a year to cover costs. Every year. He's also fiercely proud of never taking a cent out of the club. All profits have been reinvested into the club and Rugby League.

I dont care about his other business ventures. Thats for him and his investors to worry about...

"Satanic Analogy" ... I bloody near swallowed my doob when I read that

As for the rip off stuff, I have a close mate who lost nearly everything, including his home & his family, thanks to the fuckery of Hanover (Handover your $$$) Finance, so I wouldn't piss on either Watson or Hotchin if they were on fire ... in other words it's purely personal

In saying that though, maybe that's exactly the type of "business" mind a person needs to navigate being an owner of an NRL franchise

After all ... if you want to swim with the sharks its far better to actually be one of the sharks than if you were say ... a goldfish

Edit: Shit ... don't want that last analogy to jinx the Warriors considering who we are playing this evening ... C'mon boys play like killer whales & tear those Sharkies to pieces ... Oh no ... did I just inadvertently refer to the Warriors as Orca's ??? ... shit x2 ... bad analogy all round lol

 

[surfin]

"Satanic Analogy" ... I bloody near swallowed my doob when I read that

As for the rip off stuff, I have a close mate who lost nearly everything, including his home & his family, thanks to the fuckery of Hanover (Handover your $$$) Finance, so I wouldn't piss on either Watson or Hotchin if they were on fire ... in other words it's purely personal

In saying that though, maybe that's exactly the type of "business" mind a person needs to navigate being an owner of an NRL franchise

After all ... if you want to swim with the sharks its far better to actually be one of the sharks than if you were say ... a goldfish

I was of the belief Watson was already gone from Hanover before the shit happened, that's why he wasn't part of the lawsuit like Hotchin.

 

[Stone]

I was of the belief Watson was already gone from Hanover before the shit happened, that's why he wasn't part of the lawsuit like Hotchin.

Not to derail my own thread but ... I believe Watson was in a partnership with Hotchin as major shareholder's initially before they bought the company outright & changed it to Hanover Finance, the reason Hotchin carried the brunt of the blame & Watson didn't, was that Hotchin was also the Director of Hanover Finance which made him more liable in the eyes of the "law", whereas Watson hardly ever takes a full time hands on role in any of his business ventures, he's basically the behind the scenes money man, as evidenced by his role at the Warriors

I find it almost impossible to believe however that Watson was completely ignorant as to what was going to happen due to their "business practices" eg: The Financial Crisis of 2007-08 ... in fact its been more or less proven that all of those excessively wealthy wankers from all over the world knew exactly what was going to happen, but they did it anyway because the bulk of their own money & assets are protected by the "law" in such an event

In other words they all knew the ones who would carry the can & essentially be fucked over was Mr & Mrs John & Jane Average, whose money & assets are not anywhere near as protected by the "law" in that regard

Still aren't to this day, but the wealthy are & even more so now ... rant over

 

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

Ahhh I can imagine Jock in the corporate box getting loose on the Chivas Regal, aged 25 years just like I like em, followed by Lion Brown chasers, singing all the hits (one ) plus the back catalogue of the Proclaimers. He's such a walking immortal of a legend he'd probably clean up the club in that state better than Scurraless.

 

[Richie]

Not to derail my own thread but ... I believe Watson was in a partnership with Hotchin as major shareholder's initially before they bought the company outright & changed it to Hanover Finance, the reason Hotchin carried the brunt of the blame & Watson didn't, was that Hotchin was also the Director of Hanover Finance which made him more liable in the eyes of the "law", whereas Watson hardly ever takes a full time hands on role in any of his business ventures, he's basically the behind the scenes money man, as evidenced by his role at the Warriors

I find it almost impossible to believe however that Watson was completely ignorant as to what was going to happen due to their "business practices" eg: The Financial Crisis of 2007-08 ... in fact its been more or less proven that all of those excessively wealthy wankers from all over the world knew exactly what was going to happen, but they did it anyway because the bulk of their own money & assets are protected by the "law" in such an event

In other words they all knew the ones who would carry the can & essentially be fucked over was Mr & Mrs John & Jane Average, whose money & assets are not anywhere near as protected by the "law" in that regard

Still aren't to this day, but the wealthy are & even more so now ... rant over

I'm confused. I thought this was the 'I want to have Doyle's babies' thread, not the 'evil 1% FTW' thread. >_<

 

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

One thing I am surprised about... I'm surprised Wayne Scurrah didn't organise commemorative match day kilts for the team to celebrate the signing of Jock. Bad form Wayne, you fell behind the 8 ball on that one.

 

[Stone]

I'm confused. I thought this was the 'I want to have Doyle's babies' thread, not the 'evil 1% FTW' thread. >_<

Yeah sorry about that, sometimes I write on multiple forums at once & they can end up washing over into each other, I actually got told the same thing on an "Evil Empire" forum for talking about rugby league too much


Can anyone please tell me if Jim Doyle was the man in charge of the NZRL when the Kiwis won the world cup in 08 ?

I only ask because I have a distinct memory of a fair few Kiwi boys hugging the NZRL guy with genuine emotion when they went on stage to collect their winners medals

I found it a bit unusual at the time for the players to have such a seemingly high regard for one the suits, so if it was Doyle it speaks volumes about his mana amongst the players, which is pretty rare for an administrator to have imo

 

[mt.wellington]

Can anyone please tell me if Jim Doyle was the man in charge of the NZRL when the Kiwis won the world cup in 08 ?

Came in the year after when the NZRL failed to capitalise on the Kiwis success and come within weeks of going completely belly up. Doyle was brought in to implement the proposals put forward by Sir John Anderson in his damning report on the state of New Zealand Rugby League in 2009. It was after implementing a lot of the proposals that NZRL was given $3 million of funding by SPARC which saved league in this country...

 

[jonno]

So Matagai is goneski just like that. Who's next on the chopping block? I reckon that's why the NSWarriors played so badly. They are all packing their bags just in case they get moved along too...

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Matagi fan and I hope he goes well at the roos...

But my question is, is this the beginning of a new standard of professionalism at the Warriors? Is Doyle going to go through our squad like a hot knife through butter until he sees what he likes in the whole outfit?

I hope so... When we've got a majority of fully committed, highly motivated players everyone else will have to get on board or move to another club that doesn't mind players putting in part efforts for the cause...

Two mega signings and one unmotivated player moved on thus far. If he carries on we'll be top 4 in no time...

 

[mt.wellington]

Is Doyle going to go through our squad like a hot knife through butter until he sees what he likes in the whole outfit?

Short answer: YES...

 

[Miket12]

Short answer: YES...

Longer answer: most definitely!!!