andytones_old

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what do we all think of ivan cleary? im a bit worried about this season, previous seasons i have thought the warriors were premiership material but i just dont think ivan cleary has enough knowledge and skill to lead the warriors to the top 8 let alone the top this year. i personally think it was a bad choice assigning him as coach, hes too new to the coaching scene and hasnt had enough experience, i personally think the warriors staff shouldve learnt this after they got kemp. he was just a joke, we had a capable side that couldve won the premiership last year. The warriors would have been better off to hire someone with more experience under theyre belt. the only thing i agree with with ivan cleary is bringing new players through the ranks, instead of like in the past buying washed up nobodies that werent wanted from other clubs

what does everyone else think on this matter?
 

Warrioraholic_old

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Read Staceys latest book. No matter how good Kemp was at coaching he would have never worked after the warriors had such rough times in 04 with kemp and ando and some players and managment.

Ivan brings a new freash start to the team but has allready got the respect from his playing days, he did very well coaching at the roosters and from what ive heard hes going to blood alot of new players and also go back to the old adlib throw the ball around 02/03 warriors style and not our crap broncos hit it up the middle 5 times and kck style we have at the moment
 

crazyelves_old

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"hes too new to the coaching scene" ... well he did take the Sydney Roosters premier league side to the final and win, as the haed coach. And being secound to Kemp last year he now know's what not to do. Plus experience has got to come from somewhere. And he has played for and knows the warriors culture very well, if you got some oldtime experienced coach from Australia, he wouldn't know what to with our poly style of play and the warriors would suffer from this, which is why I believe Ivan is the perfect choice for the warriors coach. Give the man a chance! whats the worst that could happen? we might not make the top 8, well being a warrior fan for so long i'm am used to dissappointment. Although i'm expecting big things this year.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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i've never had a problem with him being given the reins, yes he's coached the roosters pl side and some say that doesn't do him much justice, well you can't do justise in the big league until you get there and he's there now so we'll see.
 

mosh_old

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He has shown all the positive signs and has talked about every single problem we at fans here and on the radio and media have raised regarding the Warriors

-Being too defensive on attack, not chancing our arm
-The constipation of youngsters under Tony Kemp's control of the Warriors bowels


So all signs are good thus far, its the first time in a long time that we have good signs from a coach before he takes his team on the field rather than the "Lets give him a year and see" theory we had with Tony Kemp etc.
 

Iafeta_old

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Ricky Stuart took a side to a Premiership inside his first year as an NRL coach, as did Michael Hagan. The "you're not experienced" enough tag doesn't wash with me. Experienced coaches such as Brian Smith, Matt Elliott etc. haven't necessarily got the job done either.

His pedigree is very good, a top line player, with experience of the going-ons within the club. And further to that, he has coached a side to a Premier League Premiership, which is no small feat.

For mine, Kempy did a particularly good job in some ways, and a particularly bad job in others. Here's my thoughts:-

Pros:

Forwards: A well drilled forward pack, arguably in the top 3 best performed packs in 2006.

Defence: Very rarely did the team get drilled in high scoring matches in 2006.

Basics: Handling skills were better, although that could be attributed to the dour play under Kemp.

Fitness: Appeared infinitely more mobile than in 2004.

Cons:

Attack: Too little width and depth. Too reliant on Steve Price, Ruben Wiki and Stacey Jones. Often the forwards would get the team into the opposition 20, only for the team then to be devoid of ideas, and/or depth to make opportunities.

Selection: Very little punishment for poorly performed players, and very few openings for promising youngsters to build strength, depth, and competition for places. Some selections though were good; the games Sione Faumuina played in the 6 jumper he was good, Lance Hohaia reinvented his career as a hooker.

Interchange: Often being left short at the end of the game, despite having two guys who are experienced in going 60-80 minutes in the front row in Price and Wiki.

Mentality: Inability to close out close games.

In my view, there were enough reasons to keep Kemp, as there were to dismiss him. He didn't really seem to want to push the boundaries, I guess after 2004 he didn't want to risk it too much given the airy fairy style of play that season. Personally, I would have liked to have seen Tony retained within the club in some capacity, perhaps assisting Tony Iro with the development squad - but two things, A: he unarguably wants the top job somewhere and that might not be enough for him B: As Stacey Jones indicates in his book, Kemp had a falling out with Daniel Anderson, and in offence there appeared to be two different lines of thought between Kemp and Cleary which confused the team so his communication skills and ability to manage a group of coaches - which is fundamentally part of the modern coaches role - were probably lacking. He wasn't lacking in honesty to the media, but when you thought there was strength in his words there was very little change in team/tactics from game to game.

While Ivan appears a good choice, I'm mostly disappointed that Kevin Campion has had to return to Australia. It seems two of his key objectives was to increase fitness, and improve the defensive set up. Both of which he achieved with flying colours. For mine, he was the coaching success story of 2005 at the Warriors. That said, Ivan was always being groomed for the top job, has an intricate knowledge of the club on and off the field, as a player and a non-player, has worked with some of the best minds in the game including Gould, Stuart at the Roosters so brings with him that experience, and previous premiership success also.
 

Wiki_old

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Most of the points raised here have reassured me that Ivan is right for the job! And while sad to see Campion gone, we have a huge boost with the announcement of the skills coach from the Roosters. Primo.
 

Ronnie_7_old

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andytones said:
what do we all think of ivan cleary? im a bit worried about this season, previous seasons i have thought the warriors were premiership material but i just dont think ivan cleary has enough knowledge and skill to lead the warriors to the top 8 let alone the top this year. i personally think it was a bad choice assigning him as coach, hes too new to the coaching scene and hasnt had enough experience, i personally think the warriors staff shouldve learnt this after they got kemp. he was just a joke, we had a capable side that couldve won the premiership last year. The warriors would have been better off to hire someone with more experience under theyre belt. the only thing i agree with with ivan cleary is bringing new players through the ranks, instead of like in the past buying washed up nobodies that werent wanted from other clubs

what does everyone else think on this matter?

I said it before Kemp wasn't that bad. What can you do with a team that has been ravaged by management giving players the axe left right and centre. We've had a capable side for many years esepcially when we first started out but failed to win a premiership then as well. As for Ivan I think he has what it takes to get us there and I think that it was a good choice bringing him in. He's been at the Warriors before he knows what it's like and he was 2IC last year. I'm not too worried about Ivan.
 

mosh_old

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Ronnie_7 said:
andytones said:
what do we all think of ivan cleary? im a bit worried about this season, previous seasons i have thought the warriors were premiership material but i just dont think ivan cleary has enough knowledge and skill to lead the warriors to the top 8 let alone the top this year. i personally think it was a bad choice assigning him as coach, hes too new to the coaching scene and hasnt had enough experience, i personally think the warriors staff shouldve learnt this after they got kemp. he was just a joke, we had a capable side that couldve won the premiership last year. The warriors would have been better off to hire someone with more experience under theyre belt. the only thing i agree with with ivan cleary is bringing new players through the ranks, instead of like in the past buying washed up nobodies that werent wanted from other clubs

what does everyone else think on this matter?

I said it before Kemp wasn't that bad. What can you do with a team that has been ravaged by management giving players the axe left right and centre. We've had a capable side for many years esepcially when we first started out but failed to win a premiership then as well. As for Ivan I think he has what it takes to get us there and I think that it was a good choice bringing him in. He's been at the Warriors before he knows what it's like and he was 2IC last year. I'm not too worried about Ivan.

I have seen many scenes where Kemp and Mick Watson were laughing and having fun together and got along fine, so if anything Tony and Mick seemed to be on the same wavelength and perhaps part of the problem.

Ivan has always been a bit more serious, you never see him smile when he is in the coaches box. Like the last minute win after the Knights game in Round 6 Kemp and Mick Watson was jumping for joy while in the coaches box while Ivan was sitting and controlled his emotions.

Its something different and hopefully better.
 

warriors4life_old

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CLEARY_Ivan_149964.jpg


Is our new Warriors coach already going grey in the modest mid-thirties?

Though I suppose it's not surprising after the Eels game.
 

Ronnie_7_old

Guest
He's had that grey bit there for a while I'm sure he had it when he was playing too or just after
 

ozbash_old

Guest
some say that that white/grey patch is a sign of brilliance.

indira ghandi had one as well as a lot of other genius type people.

hope the rumour is right.
 

Skinner_old

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old kiwi said:
some say that that white/grey patch is a sign of brilliance.

indira ghandi had one as well as a lot of other genius type people.

hope the rumour is right.

Hellaluja brother :wink:
 

danielspencer2_old

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i was reading a few league stories and some guys from the superleague in britain were player-coaches. Meaning they were like coach of the team(like ivan cleary) and also played in the team. I reckon cleary should play at number 6. i mean there are some older guys in the nrl. look how long kevin campion lasted.cleary is still in his early 30's right? cleary played for the warriors in the number 6 jersey a few times didn't he?
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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Cleary may have filled in but he was mainly a fullback or centre. And as for player coach I'm going to have to say no I don't see it happening.
 

Tajhay_old

Guest
i cant remember him playing at standoff.

and no he should coach, not player coach. the player coaches in esl are for lower tier teams who cannot afford a coach thus they give a player extra responsibilities to be coach.

lets not reinvent the wheel in looking for an answer. if we had a player who took control of the game we wouldnt have an issue. all the star playmakers in the nrl are players who want to have the ball, they know they can make something out of it. their teammates knwo that too and support and trust the playmakers by providing extra decoy, chasing for every inch. Rovelli is a good player and will start controlling more and more. we have to perservere with him. ropati is not a 5/8 and never has been. it is clearly evident. he plays as an extra forward in the 5/8 and our only other previous option was a forward who was told to play like a 5/8. We need a specialist 5/8. I dont mind losing webb if we go out and get a decent player who will take control for the team next year.
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

Guest
I agree Tajhay. Rovelli will become more dominant the more he plays. The more Rovelli controls the game the more a running five eight like Ropati would compliment him, but right now it's certainly not a good enough mix. I think Ropati would be a lot more effective outside a player like Stacey, Gower, Prince etc.
 

Skinner_old

Guest
It's something that's still, relatively, common in
lower grades but I think the intensity of NRL dictates
that the Coach remains just that. I don't recall Ivan
playing at number 6, but I could be wrong.
 

Iafeta_old

Guest
He definitely played some five eighth for the Warriors, 2001 in particular and a bit in 2002.

As stated above though, the intensity is too much to coach/play at NRL level.
 

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