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How come Isaac John isnt in the 'favourite players' section? Hes my new favourite player:) He reminds me of Shontayne Hape, my old favourite, Ah van reminded me of Fa'afili which is why he was my favourite, and he still is but now i like Isaac better:)
 

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It's time to find out if the Warriors' much-trumpeted development production line is harbouring any more gems.

Next up for his audition is Isaac John, the Tokoroa-born 20-year-old promoted to make his first-grade debut at five-eighth against the Roosters in Sydney tomorrow.

NRL: Muted expectations for John's debut​

By Steve Deane
18 Jul, 2009 04:00 AM
Isaac John is known as a solid player more than a star in the making. Photo / Kenny Rodger

Isaac John is known as a solid player more than a star in the making. Photo / Kenny Rodger

Roosters v Warriors
Sydney Football Stadium
Tomorrow 4pm


It's time to find out if the Warriors' much-trumpeted development production line is harbouring any more gems.

Next up for his audition is Isaac John, the Tokoroa-born 20-year-old promoted to make his first-grade debut at five-eighth against the Roosters in Sydney tomorrow.

Coach Ivan Cleary insists John has the game to help the Warriors win right now, but the more significant question is whether he is the player to provide solidity in the halves for the foreseeable future.

It would be something of a surprise if the answer to that question is yes. John has fashioned a reputation a solid, dependable player in the best part of two seasons with the club's under-20s and the Auckland Vulcans, but few are touting him to be a first-grade star.

"We are always looking at the future, whether it is next week or next year," Cleary said. "The way the [salary] cap works and the way you try to put your squad together, there is always a futuristic view to it.

"But the focus really is all about [tomorrow].

"I think Isaac can help us and that is why he is in there.

"He has been progressing nicely. He had a good season in the NYC [National Youth Championship] last year and he has been playing particularly well the last three of four weeks, so I think he's ready for a shot."

Whether John swims or sinks, the Warriors will at least benefit from a bit of clarity with regard to their medium-term playmaking options. They might not, however, like what they see. If John doesn't present as a viable option, there appears to be a glaring lack of alternatives.

Cleary has made a few positive noises about Stacey Jones going around again next year, but the veteran playmaker has yet to publicly announce his intentions.

Whether a Jones in the hastening twilight of his career is a great option is a matter of debate.

But with any serious contenders to his throne having been banished to foreign fields, it's hard to see much upside in the loss of another proven performer.

That discards Grant Rovelli and Nathan Fien have been named to start in the halves this weekend for teams sitting fifth and first on the NRL ladder would seem to be an indictment of the decision-making of the Warriors' back-room this season.

With Michael Witt also shown the door and heir-apparent Joel Moon shunted out to the centres, the club has backed itself into a corner.

That is the backdrop to which John makes his debut tomorrow.

"It is probably fair to say we are still looking to get something more concrete there," Cleary said of the halves picture.

"I guess that has been the case throughout the year. The sooner we can get something settled the better for everybody."

John, who wasn't made available to the media this week, does have a few things going for him. For starters, the Roosters are in at least as deep a rut as the Warriors.

Rock bottom of the table and beset by off-the-field dramas, the Roosters have lost seven of their last eight games.

The Warriors have also had the wood on the Roosters in recent times, winning five and drawing one of the last seven clashes, including two wins and a draw from last three clashes in Sydney.

But John also joins a team crippled by a lack of offensive production.

"It is a tough one for Isaac to come into the way the team is performing," Jones said of his new halves partner.

"But really he just has to go out there and enjoy himself, bring a bit of enthusiasm to the team, which is what we probably lack at the moment."

Jones described John as a "pretty dedicated bloke" who "loves his footy", but stopped well short of hailing him as the next messiah.

"He has got a big frame on him and good balls skills, but you can't really say too much until he has gone out there and done a bit.

"I just hope he comes in and enjoys himself."

The seventh player over the past two seasons to earn first-grade selection after playing in the NYC, John joins the likes of Kevin Locke, Russell Packer and Ben Matulino.

Those three have looked every inch first-graders from the moment they stepped on to the turf.

Warriors fans, no doubt baffled by some of this season's manoeuvres, will hope John does the same.

ROOSTERS v WARRIORS

Roosters


Sam Perrett
Sandor Earl
Mitchell Aubusson
Tom Symonds
S Kenny-Dowall
Ben Jones
Mitchell Pearce
Shane Shackleton
Jake Friend
Lopini Paea
Setaimata Sa
Willie Mason
Craig Fitzgibbon (c)

Interchange: Stanley Waqa, Frank-Paul Nuuausala, Anthony Cherrington, Nick Kouparitsas, Sia Soliola (one to be omitted).

Warriors

Wade McKinnon
Kevin Locke
Jerome Ropati
Joel Moon
Manu Vatuvei
Isaac John
Stacey Jones
Sam Rapira
Ian Henderson
Russell Packer
Simon Mannering
Jacob Lillyman
Micheal Luck (c)

Interchange: Lewis Brown, Lance Hohaia, Ben Matulino, Jesse Royal.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10585149

Here we go guys, Cleary starting to turn over every stone. Too little too late? We wont go down wondering me thinks.

(OH! and if this has already been mentioned (couldn't fine a thread on it) please put this in the rubbish, thanks. )
 
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bigstuboy_old

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dont think he has much of a chance of shinning with being pair'd up with jones would of had a better chance if lance was at 7 .
 

Spence_old

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dont think he has much of a chance of shinning with being pair'd up with jones would of had a better chance if lance was at 7 .

I don't think he was chosen to shine, as such. More just a good organiser... Otherwise they would have a gamebreaker like Hohaia, or Moon to a lesser extent.
 

warriors4life_old

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I'm hoping even if he has an off game that Cleary is willing to stick with John for a few more and see how it pans out, rather than declare him a failure immediately and move on.

In saying that he may have a Locke-type debut.
 

JonB_old

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How did you all think he went?
I think he did pretty good today. I saw a couple of errors, one where he missed Perritt and another when he didn't back up with Rapira when Raps broke the line, beautiful pass to Ah Van.
I thought it was crap coaching to pull him i think your number 6 has to play the whole game.
 

edguy_old

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i reckon he went good ..first game in the big time ....im 99% sure he wasnt pulled...
he looked buggered as they walked off at half time ...
he ll be 5/8 against the saints next week .
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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John was pretty gassed before halftime, so him being replaced doesn't surprise me. I think his tackling reallty deteriorated as well as a result of fatigue.

Showed a willingness to get involved and had some nice touches. Looked a bit rushed on occasions but that's what you'd expect.

Very promising start though.
 

DanKokoro_old

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I thought he had a really good debut. Ran well, passed well. That ball to Ah Van was awesome and noone else in our team could have done that.. Defs should be playing next week..
 

bigstuboy_old

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i think we are way too excitable when talking about that debut. would rather see lance continue to run the team the way he did in the 2nd half he dominated when he came on.
 

DanKokoro_old

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we're hardly jumping up and down.. just saying for the time he was on the field he played well. He set up an important try with a ball that noone in either of the halves positions this year have been able to throw.. A good over the defenses heads pass to isolate the winger, something that a good half will probably do quite often over the course of a season, something that Jones has done a total of 0 times. Infact i'd go as far to say he gave us one of the Warriors best trys of the season.. sad but true?
 

edguy_old

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we're hardly jumping up and down.. just saying for the time he was on the field he played well. He set up an important try with a ball that noone in either of the halves positions this year have been able to throw.. A good over the defenses heads pass to isolate the winger, something that a good half will probably do quite often over the course of a season, something that Jones has done a total of 0 times. Infact i'd go as far to say he gave us one of the Warriors best trys of the season.. sad but true?
totally agree dano !!
he had some nice touches on debut....i think some of our supporters were expecting miracles from him today ...well they got one . a freaking awesome cut out pass to blinky bill, who actually caught it and scored....that was the biggest shock ...
get well soon Nobby
 

Matulino+Gavet=Slick_old

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had an alright debut furture halves combo with johnson

and hello fello warriors fans i am new to this site but known as vatuvebeast!! on rugby league 2 forums

whos for it

6.John
7.Johnson
 

westie stylz_old

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totally agree dano !!
he had some nice touches on debut....i think some of our supporters were expecting miracles from him today ...well they got one . a freaking awesome cut out pass to blinky bill, who actually caught it and scored....that was the biggest shock ...
get well soon Nobby

Ah Van, 2 line breaks and second most metres, 1 try, 1 try assist, why the shock?
 

Jesbass_old

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Isaac John had a strong debut - not outstanding, but what did we expect? I thought he had some very nice touches, especially the hesitating cut-out lob pass to Ah Van. He did appear to struggle with the pace of the game, but that's to be expected.
 

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