General Is this the twilight of democracy?

[drake83]

Socialism and communism are not the same thing.

Your views are not new, about the left. They are straight outta the 50s.

People have been saying your mantra for seventy years and more.

I would be more able to relate to you if you spent time acknowledging the threat of fascism and the near over throw of democracy by a dictator....but instead you make meaningless comparisons between Jan 6 and other riots.

Can you answer me this? Would you be happy if Jan 6 had of worked and Donald Trump was now in power because of the fascist attempt to over throw democracy?

They have similar traits tho to call them completely different is laughable. Both of those systems look to remove class priveledge and make things more equal. One runs on democracy and liberty the other is authoritarian in today's times these are all blurring together with surveillance technology.

When I seen your comment on being able to relate to me I thought why the fuck would I care but then I refrained and thought more and that is how we are where we are when we can't share ideas properly.

Who is a dictator who overthrown democracy and don't say Trump as that is not what he did.
On jan 6 he was telling the rioters to go home as they are the party of law and order. He made se comments about the election being stolen but to be truthful the democrats are better at ballot harvesting and the mail in vote I put the election down to that. There are now some fishy things going on like no chain of custody and out of the public eye that needs to be fixed. Also theonth to vote is ridiculous just have 3 days where everyone votes in person.

Look at the damage caused between Jan 7 and the summer of love riots. More deaths more damage the damage was felt way more by the people in the summer of love that January 6. You might geel different as you may think the summer of love riots were good and that local businesses deserved to to be looted and destroyed.

I think the world would be a better place if Trump got a second term, I think there would be no aggression from Russia to Ukraine, and inflation would not be so rampent, and the cost of energy would be cheaper.

Yea Trump is a douche but when it came to running a country his heart was in the right place, he was already a billionaire he didn't make his money flouting politics he didn't want to see the western culture destroyed.

How do you feel about the Obama Biden led administration meddling in Ukraine politics and causing a revolution in Ukraine in 2014 to get a more favorable president put in? Thats comparable right? Ukraine is at your heart. Nato is just as responsible for this war as Russia.

 

[drake83]

Are these socialists and commie infiltrators also the elites? Or are their elites not actually either of those things

No no the infiltrates has been happening since the 50s the teachings of Markus and the school of Frankfurt started happening in colleges.

Students then graduated and took these teachings and became teachers kept on teaching these thoughts and the others moved into the workforce and after time became leaders and followed the mantra and turned it into culture.

It doesn't help when you have billionaires like Soros and Gates having undue influence in things they should not like law and order facing and medicine.

Look at kids today I'd say a good 80 percent don't want to work hard for anything and think it's unfair when someone has worked hard for something nice. They think they are entitled to nice things without putting the work in

 

[Sup42]

They have similar traits tho to call them completely different is laughable. Both of those systems look to remove class priveledge and make things more equal. One runs on democracy and liberty the other is authoritarian in today's times these are all blurring together with surveillance technology.

When I seen your comment on being able to relate to me I thought why the fuck would I care but then I refrained and thought more and that is how we are where we are when we can't share ideas properly.

Who is a dictator who overthrown democracy and don't say Trump as that is not what he did.
On jan 6 he was telling the rioters to go home as they are the party of law and order. He made se comments about the election being stolen but to be truthful the democrats are better at ballot harvesting and the mail in vote I put the election down to that. There are now some fishy things going on like no chain of custody and out of the public eye that needs to be fixed. Also theonth to vote is ridiculous just have 3 days where everyone votes in person.

Look at the damage caused between Jan 7 and the summer of love riots. More deaths more damage the damage was felt way more by the people in the summer of love that January 6. You might geel different as you may think the summer of love riots were good and that local businesses deserved to to be looted and destroyed.

I think the world would be a better place if Trump got a second term, I think there would be no aggression from Russia to Ukraine, and inflation would not be so rampent, and the cost of energy would be cheaper.

Yea Trump is a douche but when it came to running a country his heart was in the right place, he was already a billionaire he didn't make his money flouting politics he didn't want to see the western culture destroyed.

How do you feel about the Obama Biden led administration meddling in Ukraine politics and causing a revolution in Ukraine in 2014 to get a more favorable president put in? Thats comparable right? Ukraine is at your heart. Nato is just as responsible for this war as Russia.

Thanks for the reply.

I am not commenting on the Invasion of Ukraine atm. But that is not a cop out, I am banned from that thread, so getting into that topic here would be breaching my censure by the moderators.

I will say generally that the U.S. interference in other countries politics is not something a credible person would deny under any U.S administration and that it is not an attractive American trait.

It is well known by all that U.S. interference leads to conflicts and suffering.

Trump telling people to go home after the damage had been done in my eyes is like an arsonists phoning it in to the fire dept after making sure the building is at insurance claim level.
He refused to tell people to go home while he watched for hours according to WH insiders so.....

 

[Gizzyfan]

The arrival of Hittler changed the NAZIS from a socialist workers party to a fascist regime.

Simple as that. One fascist, Adolf, used the tenets of socialism as a vehicle through lip service to take power and the rest we know full well.

I hate cliche, because the interweb and Hollywood is full of it...and Americans are the worst at quoting people like Franklin, Twain, etc...and the really boorish ones try to sound clever by quoting Voltaire.

But I am gonna risk losing my intellectual street cred by pointing out the cliché that today, countries with the word democratic in their title are the least democratic countries in the world....there I said it...I will go wash my mouth out now.


What's in a name?

Sorry there I go again...this disease of quoting people is infectious...oh how I loath it....as my Momma said...use your words....use your own ideas.

BTW in case this post is misunderstood by wilful obtuse posters looking for argument, I aree 100% with everything Gizzyfan post stated.

They overlook there was a huge fascist

Thanks for the reply.

I am not commenting on the Invasion of Ukraine atm. But that is not a cop out, I am banned from that thread, so getting into that topic here would be breaching my censure by the moderators.

I will say generally that the U.S. interference in other countries politics is not something a credible person would deny under any U.S administration and that it is not an attractive American trait.

It is well known by all that U.S. interference leads to conflicts and suffering.

Trump telling people to go home after the damage had been done in my eyes is like an arsonists phoning it in to the fire dept after making sure the building is at insurance claim level.
He refused to tell people to go home while he watched for hours according to WH insiders so.....

I didnt know you were banned from that thread. Although we differed on some points I always respected your points. I think we both agreed it is a horrible war.

 

[Sup42]

They overlook there was a huge fascist

I didnt know you were banned from that thread. Although we differed on some points I always respected your points. I think we both agreed it is a horrible war.

I agree with the ban.

It has made me realise I do not want to discuss what has become a very sad personal experience since the ban, especially not talking about it with strangers.

 

[bruce]

I know what everyone else knows that has been leaked.

Leaked by who?

 

[drake83]

Leaked by who?

The person who had it, and the e-mails have been verified by Bidens old business partner Tony Bobulinski.



You might not care for it but he calls out both sides. Was also secret service for obama so he knows how the ingoings work in an administration.

It's worth the listen for a differing perspective or just for the phone call between Biden and Poroshenko but that only makes sence if you listen to the whole thing.

 

[drake83]

Thanks for the reply.

I am not commenting on the Invasion of Ukraine atm. But that is not a cop out, I am banned from that thread, so getting into that topic here would be breaching my censure by the moderators.

You are passionate about topics

 

[Gizzyfan]

I agree with the ban.

It has made me realise I do not want to discuss what has become a very sad personal experience since the ban, especially not talking about it with strangers.

Just one question and I do not mind if you tell me to back off. Are your friends OK?

 

[Sup42]

 

[Worried2Death]

Just want to be noticed, they're passive-aggressive balloons

 

[Sup42]

Just want to be noticed, they're passive-aggressive balloons

Oh had the Chinese painted a killer clown face on the side.....

 

[Worried2Death]

No no the infiltrates has been happening since the 50s the teachings of Markus and the school of Frankfurt started happening in colleges.

Students then graduated and took these teachings and became teachers kept on teaching these thoughts and the others moved into the workforce and after time became leaders and followed the mantra and turned it into culture.

It doesn't help when you have billionaires like Soros and Gates having undue influence in things they should not like law and order facing and medicine.

Look at kids today I'd say a good 80 percent don't want to work hard for anything and think it's unfair when someone has worked hard for something nice. They think they are entitled to nice things without putting the work in

Not sure if the Fankfurt neo-Marxists are the reason kids are entitled, could be partly responsible but so could a lot of other things that shape our culture. Old farts have been saying the young generation are entitled little shits since the Ming Dynasty and Old Testament.

I thought you were saying elites are using Marxists as useful idiots to profit from the social division, or something, I've probly been watching too many Yuri Bezmenov videos.

 

[bruce]

This is an hour long interview but worth it to watch.

Julia Ioffe is a Russian born Merkin author.

In this interview she describes how Putin has reacted to all the POTUS he has dealt with.

The least effective was Obama, because Putin saw him as a weak black man. She says Putin's age group is highly racist.

The next most useless was Trump, who Putin thought of as just plain stupid and did as Putin told him. e.g. saying the Ukraine was not a country. The MAGA crowd love that story, it came via Putin.

She also says how the west just do not understand Slavic culture.

 

[bruce]

Merkin politicians get used to being interviewed by friendly networks,

Mike Pompeo, who will be a presidential candidate next year, topped his class at West Point, and otherwise is a corrupt piece of shite got interviewed in the UK, and called the interview off...a good listen.

 

[Worried2Death]

Security alert, extremist nutters get close to Chris Luxon in Rangiora, surely someone should be keeping an eye on these guys from Counterspin.

Why is Steve Bannon paying them to harass our politicians with conspiracies anyway, and what does it all have to do with the New Federal Republic of China and mysterious Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui leaking the Hunter Biden files. It's all starting to add up.

 

[Worried2Death]

I think it's happening again fellas, the start of another bipolar episode, always seems to happen just in time for the first trial

 

[Gizzyfan]

The boy who cried wolf. Politicians of all stripes looking for someone to blame rather than solutions to their own, usually, self created problems.

 

[Sup42]

Security alert, extremist nutters get close to Chris Luxon in Rangiora, surely someone should be keeping an eye on these guys from Counterspin.

Why is Steve Bannon paying them to harass our politicians with conspiracies anyway, and what does it all have to do with the New Federal Republic of China and mysterious Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui leaking the Hunter Biden files. It's all starting to add up.

Didn't take them long to find another target after Adern walked away from it.

These people are dangerous.

 

[Gizzyfan]

Didn't take them long to find another target after Adern walked away from it.

These people are dangerous.

Luxon will have armed Diplomatic Protectios Squad with him.