Internationals International Eligibilty Rules

Morningstar_old

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We all know the RLIF have dropped a clanger....again, so i'm wondering if we the warriors faithful can fix it for them. In an ideal world what do you think should happen to the eligibility rules after the world cup?


Here is what i think should be implemented....

1. Born in the nation you wish to represent.

2. Parent or Grandparent born in the nation you wish to represent.

3. Resident for three years in your chosen nation.

4. Once you have represented your nation of choice at open age test level you are tied to that nation for life.
 

daj3_old

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Eligibility rules to stay as they are... (or numbers 1-3 of your rules Morningstar).

Plus as I stated in the Bob Dymock and Tonga thread:

My solution: pool of dual eligibility players before every WC... if a player wants a finger in both pies they can go in this pool... Australia and NZ get to pick around 5% players from the pool each. The rest go to their "other" country for the world cup. They have to play for that country until the next WC, in tests that the RLIF will commit to organising. Then before the next WC they can go back into the pool if they wish. Eventually the hope is that the number of players opting for the dual eligibility pool will diminish... as playing for a minor nation becomes an increasingly viable career move, and players will develop a stronger attachment to teams, having to stick with them for four years.

We'd see it used cynically for the first 8 years or so, basically Aus and NZ using minor nations as B squads then taking the best 4 years of players' careers... sending them back when they're past their prime. But at least it would be a completely above board system, and we'd only have to tolerate blatant nation swapping once every four years.
 

playdaball_old

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iMAGINE ...

If a team such as Tonga got knocked out in the pool round and then if The Kiwis picked up say Fraser Anderson to play for them in the semis.
 

Jesbass_old

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We all know the RLIF have dropped a clanger....again, so i'm wondering if we the warriors faithful can fix it for them. In an ideal world what do you think should happen to the eligibility rules after the world cup?


Here is what i think should be implemented....

1. Born in the nation you wish to represent.

2. Parent or Grandparent born in the nation you wish to represent.

3. Resident for three years in your chosen nation.

4. Once you have represented your nation of choice at open age test level you are tied to that nation for life.

Some well thought out eligibility discussion can be found here: https://forum.nzwarriorsonline.com/showthread.php?t=12034
 

2big2strong_old

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I think you should be able to play for whoever you want as a juniour/reserve grader, but when you sign your first NRL or Superleague contract you should have to make a decision about your country of preference (if you are eligible for more than one) There should be a list of countries to represent and you can only choose one for life. A lot of contracts are signed when the players are 15, I think that's the most accurate age to choose a country for the right reasons. At 15 you already have a passion for a National team and you are too naive for alteria motives, I don't like that fact some players have to be talked into representing a National team like Krisnan Inu was, if this was implemented 10 years ago he would of chose 'Australia' so would of Brent Webb, Nathan Fien, Anthony Tupou wouldn't of even got selected for Tonga because he would of chosen Australia.

If this was to happen though there would have to be the added promise of more International games between the smaller countries, I know that a lot of the Islanders would chose Samoa and Tonga if they could play regularly.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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The problem I find with your idea, 2b2s as good as it is, would be Australia as per usual being far too dominant and a rugby league world cup would be nothing more than a disaster.
 

Mangi-Maori_old

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I honestly wouldn't like to see a 1 country for life rule, cos then we'd have a very one sided World Cup. I look forward to see some of the former kiwi players, and fringe kiwi players playing even if its not for NZ.
 

Jesbass_old

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I think you should be able to play for whoever you want as a juniour/reserve grader, but when you sign your first NRL or Superleague contract you should have to make a decision about your country of preference (if you are eligible for more than one) There should be a list of countries to represent and you can only choose one for life. A lot of contracts are signed when the players are 15, I think that's the most accurate age to choose a country for the right reasons. At 15 you already have a passion for a National team and you are too naive for alteria motives, I don't like that fact some players have to be talked into representing a National team like Krisnan Inu was, if this was implemented 10 years ago he would of chose 'Australia' so would of Brent Webb, Nathan Fien, Anthony Tupou wouldn't of even got selected for Tonga because he would of chosen Australia.

If this was to happen though there would have to be the added promise of more International games between the smaller countries, I know that a lot of the Islanders would chose Samoa and Tonga if they could play regularly.

Nailed it on the head, 2b2s. If we're to have a 'one team for life' policy, the minor nations need to be playing regularly in order to increase not only the opportunity, but the allure to play for these nations. Use the profits from this World Cup to draft up a regular international calendar, and balance out the payments so that the decision is simply a matter of who you want to play for, and not how much you want to get paid.

If we allow players to change nationality, then so be it, (as some as Kiwi as they are Aussie, for example), but make them endure a 12-24 month stand down period. That'd prevent the absurd nation flipping that we've seen go on, (Calderwood, Tupou), while also allowing for players who are getting too old and too slow to make a top tier national team, (New Zealand, Australia, England), to still play international football for a second tier team, (Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, France, Scotland, et al), as long as they're eligible for both.
 

Kid-Dynamite_old

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Something needs to be done! I mean Jarryd Hayne for example! One week he is playing for the Australian Prime Ministers team the next he's in the Fiji squad!

I think it should be like origin plain and simple! Your origin is where you represent! You play for them and should be allowed to play for no one else!

I don't buy the whole allowing players to change nations! In fact I hate it!
 

Jesbass_old

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Something needs to be done! I mean Jarryd Hayne for example! One week he is playing for the Australian Prime Ministers team the next he's in the Fiji squad!

I think it should be like origin plain and simple! Your origin is where you represent! You play for them and should be allowed to play for no one else!

I don't buy the whole allowing players to change nations! In fact I hate it!

What if you're of mixed origin? For example, a Kiwi father and an Aussie mother?
 

Mangi-Maori_old

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Something needs to be done! I mean Jarryd Hayne for example! One week he is playing for the Australian Prime Ministers team the next he's in the Fiji squad!

I think it should be like origin plain and simple! Your origin is where you represent! You play for them and should be allowed to play for no one else!

I don't buy the whole allowing players to change nations! In fact I hate it!

Whats wrong with Hayne playing for Fiji? The Prime Ministers team is just an invitational team not the national team. Tuiaki and Moimoi cannot play for Tonga, so at least the RLIF are trying to be consistent there. What about the Kiwi players playing in the Maori team, we don't kick up a fuss about them.
 

Kid-Dynamite_old

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What if you're of mixed origin? For example, a Kiwi father and an Aussie mother?

You pick one and stick with it I guess!

No...put it this way! I'm of the belief your birth country is the country you should represent, and only them!

I'm aware that some people are born in one country and the brought up pretty much all of there life in another so they play for that country and I make allowances for that!

But personally, and it is just my belief, where you are born is your country of origin and you do everything you can to stay loyal and to represent them!
 

Jesbass_old

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You pick one and stick with it I guess!

No...put it this way! I'm of the belief your birth country is the country you should represent, and only them!

I'm aware that some people are born in one country and the brought up pretty much all of there life in another so they play for that country and I make allowances for that!

But personally, and it is just my belief, where you are born is your country of origin and you do everything you can to stay loyal and to represent them!

What if you're born in a country that doesn't play league? What if, like a friend of Feka's, you're born in a Nazi concentration camp? (Is that right, Feka? Something like that, anyway.)

Kid, keep it coming - great to look at it from different angles. :thumb:
 

Kid-Dynamite_old

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Yea, as I said you are born where you are! And you do everything you can to represent that country!

But if they don't play league (or whatever sport it may be), I believe you represent the country where you learn the game! And while there you would assume one would become a citizen of that country anyway!

But that is last resort IMO! If your country of birth has a national team for your chosen sport (I don't care how good or bad they are) you represent them, and should only represent them!
 

playdaball_old

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This to me highlights a problem ... why can't Samoans, Fijians, Tongans, Scots whoever represent their country of choice on a regular basis? This tournament willl be a success and it is such a crying shame that international RL is so 'poor' after 100 years.
 

playdaball_old

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Yea, as I said you are born where you are! And you do everything you can to represent that country!

But if they don't play league (or whatever sport it may be), I believe you represent the country where you learn the game! And while there you would assume one would become a citizen of that country anyway!

But that is last resort IMO! If your country of birth has a national team for your chosen sport (I don't care how good or bad they are) you represent them, and should only represent them!

Sorry can't agree solely with country of birth. If this was the case Andrew Merthens would be playing for the Springboks. There are also a heap of other examples.
 

Kid-Dynamite_old

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Sorry can't agree solely with country of birth. If this was the case Andrew Merthens would be playing for the Springboks. There are also a heap of other examples.

So be it! He is South African after all as that's where he was born!

Although like I said, I do make some allowances for those who were brought to another country at a young age! But ideally, in my opinion, I beleive Merthens was born in South Africa and therefore IMO should of played for the Sproingboks!
 

Mangi-Maori_old

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My solution: make the world cup every 2 years. That way there will be more international standard tests for the 2nd tier nations.
 

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