General Global Warming

[MaybeTop8]

Science is to question itself. If they don't allow open debate on the subject and censor 1 side of the debate it is a narrative.
Have you heard of the medieval hot period when it was warmer than it is now? Jo industrial period, or the mini ice age we had that these scientists leave out of their data.
It's a narrative.
Google how much carbon is in our atmosphere? And that is the enemy.
It all could be a farce to strip our rights.

Let's all get electric cars that use fossil fuels to power them. Intense mining of precious metals the destruction of land and swampland reserves.

Now with electric cars we can only go 200 km away from our house before turning back. They can't tow shit so there goes your summer holiday. Or the you have charges your car twice this week you have gone over your allotted km of travel limit you cannot charge your car for 3 days. All things talked about by that great NGO the World Economic Forum. Don't listen to the media telling you it's a conspiracy theory the founder wrote a book called the great reset the 4th industrial revolution.

It's not censorship, and it's not a debate. You're promoting fiction. The great reset is a prime example. Let's move on eh? I'm not going to change your mind, and you are most definitely not going to change mine. Just please don't promote conspiracy theories. As I said earlier, let's get back to league, or stick to the impacts of man made climate change, as the chat topic suggests.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Science is to question itself. If they don't allow open debate on the subject and censor 1 side of the debate it is a narrative.
Have you heard of the medieval hot period when it was warmer than it is now? Jo industrial period, or the mini ice age we had that these scientists leave out of their data.
It's a narrative.
Google how much carbon is in our atmosphere? And that is the enemy.
It all could be a farce to strip our rights.

Let's all get electric cars that use fossil fuels to power them. Intense mining of precious metals the destruction of land and swampland reserves.

Now with electric cars we can only go 200 km away from our house before turning back. They can't tow shit so there goes your summer holiday. Or the you have charges your car twice this week you have gone over your allotted km of travel limit you cannot charge your car for 3 days. All things talked about by that great NGO the World Economic Forum. Don't listen to the media telling you it's a conspiracy theory the founder wrote a book called the great reset the 4th industrial revolution.

And yes, some parts of society have been privileged for a long time. That is changing. This crisis affects all of us (by that I mean accelerated global warming, not whatever conspiracy theory has flavour of the day)

 

[drake83]

I notice you haven't answered my question at the the end? Your second to last sentence also implies you don't believe the science and facts around covid, which implies some anti vax thinking as well. Which also implies conspiracy thinking.

I've no doubt there are conspiracies in this world - they're just more banal, like oil companies knowing about the impact of man made climate change 60 years ago and paying huge amounts for anti climate change propaganda and conspiracy theories, and they seem to have been very successful. Or tobacco companies seeding conspiracies to doubt the fatal and harmful impacts of smoking. Or billionaires corrupting democratic processes and stripping out regulatory frameworks.

So - who stands to gain for you believing that science, the solid foundation of fact and research, is corrupt? Who's funding what you read and believe? Who stands to gain? Some good research to be done right there

I have had every vaccination through my life I just refused to get this one as it wasn't tested properly and so far my thoughts have been correct. So do not call me anti Vax thankyou.

I had covid flew through I had a headache and a fever for one day.

Look at the science at the beginning of covid around masks and vaccines it stops the spread blah blah.
Pfizer have now admitted they never tested if their vaccine stopped the spread and science has shown masks are useless in a respiratory disease situation.

Science is never finalized and is forever evolving.

You forgot the great food pyramid too where food companies paid nutrionists to put there food in better parts of the pyramids to be eaten more often. Now look at our obese population all for the greed of 50 k when that pyramid was made. We now know that animal fats are good for us and seed oils aren't so great for us.

Who gainedI from covid well pharmaceutical companies surely did greatly it cost a couple of dollars per vaccine to make and they sold them to the nz government for 37 dollars a pop and they also banned off label use of other medicines that have been shown to work in hydroxy and ivermectin these medicines were super cheap to make. Alot of these vaccine manufacturers also took tax payer money to develop said vaccines.

Who profited off all of this as we got told to stay home businesses closed down for good and inflation is now rampent out of control but big pharma made a killing.
Who lobbies for our political parties that's right pharmaceutical companies.
Why was Jacinda in Blackrock offices last year was she picking up bonus cheques?
Who has paid the largest criminal fines in history and why is their no prison sentences handed out. Why have they done the same crime multiple times and haven't learnt? Cost of doing business?

A theory with climate change is by taking away oil and fossil fuels they are taking away a lot of money from the middle east and using our tax money to form what they think will be the new form of energy.

Don't get me wrong we all can and should treat the world better.

Look to Europe in an energy crisis people can't afford to heat their house, or in Colorado during summer people could not change the thermostat on there air conditioning units is this a look into the climate change future freezing during winter and cooking during summer all the while there is no rules applied to the 1 percent?

We have an excess death problem in the world at the moment and it does account for covid. So is it global warming, long covid, covid vaccines.

All these died suddenly events aren't all covid vaccine deaths while all these storms that are happening are not all due to global warming.

 

[drake83]

It's not censorship, and it's not a debate. You're promoting fiction. The great reset is a prime example. Let's move on eh? I'm not going to change your mind, and you are most definitely not going to change mine. Just please don't promote conspiracy theories. As I said earlier, let's get back to league, or stick to the impacts of man made climate change, as the chat topic suggests.

The guy wrote a book Klaus schwab the great reset who is the head of the world economic forum who have yearly meeting in davos withedia politicians corporates and big business to discuss how tye rest us should live.

Open your eyes. Don't believe me but perhaps watch some of the meetings and talks they have about where they see the world heading

 

[MaybeTop8]

The guy wrote a book Klaus schwab the great reset who is the head of the world economic forum who have yearly meeting in davos withedia politicians corporates and big business to discuss how tye rest us should live.

Open your eyes. Don't believe me but perhaps watch some of the meetings and talks they have about where they see the world heading

My eyes are very open. And they know a rank conspiracy theory when they see one. Back to league.

 

[marv]

Why was Jacinda in Blackrock offices last year was she picking up bonus cheques?

 

[wizards rage]

My eyes are very open. And they know a rank conspiracy theory when they see one.

What about this one:

The World Health Organization (WHO) had been strongly arguing against lockdowns for flu pandemics as recently as October 2019, specifically stating that the quarantine of exposed individuals was “not recommended in any circumstances.”

A year later, the shit hits the fan and they completely go against their planning, wrecking economies and with no noticeable influence on fatality rates. NZ with the big keep it out campaign has ended up with an almost statistical average fatality rate to the global average, and worse than Australia. I hope there is a major scientific (as opposed to political) review of lockdowns

How much influence is there between the WHO and the WEF drake83.

Just stirring the pot…

 

[Juju]

What about this one:

The World Health Organization (WHO) had been strongly arguing against lockdowns for flu pandemics as recently as October 2019, specifically stating that the quarantine of exposed individuals was “not recommended in any circumstances.”

A year later, the shit hits the fan and they completely go against their planning, wrecking economies and with no noticeable influence on fatality rates. NZ with the big keep it out campaign has ended up with an almost statistical average fatality rate to the global average, and worse than Australia. I hope there is a major scientific (as opposed to political) review of lockdowns

How much influence is there between the WHO and the WEF drake83.

Just stirring the pot…

You're never shy of making stats up for your shit reckons are you?

Post up your data set to back up your dribble.

NZ is actually nearly 400 / half the deaths per below the global deaths per million average ( global 857 per million / NZ 477 per million)

Australia is at 719 deaths per million so NZ is not worse.

 

[wizards rage]

You're never shy of making stats up for your shit reckons are you?

Post up your data set to back up your dribble.

NZ is actually nearly 400 / half the deaths per below the global deaths per million average ( global 857 per million / NZ 477 per million)

Australia is at 719 deaths per million so NZ is not worse.

Death’s per million:

World: 868.5 deaths per million
NZ: 772 dpm
Australia: 722 dpm

Source: worldometer - using the same data categories reported from every country, to compare apples with apples

COVID Live Update: 140,339,785 Cases and 3,006,971 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

 

[Damo]

Death’s per million:

World: 868.5 deaths per million
NZ: 772 dpm
Australia: 722 dpm

Source: worldometer - using the same data categories reported from every country, to compare apples with apples

COVID Live Update: 140,339,785 Cases and 3,006,971 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

That website has our population off by around 200,000 people.

 

[wizards rage]

That website has our population off by around 200,000 people.

Interesting that.

When you click through it states it’s based on the latest United Nations data. And following that link it’s based on official census data (last one was in 2018 in NZ I think) and extrapolating that based on historical population growth rather than relying on individual countries estimation of their population.

Using estimates would work in countries like Nz but sticking to known data and historical growth might work better for other countries. At least this way the data is consistently applied.

Worldometer has always been recognised as one of the leading covid databases for covid related data.

 

[Damo]

Interesting that.

When you click through it states it’s based on the latest United Nations data. And following that link it’s based on official census data (last one was in 2018 in NZ I think) and extrapolating that based on historical population growth rather than relying on individual countries estimate of population.

Worldometer has always been recognised as one of the leading covid databases for covid related data.

Yes, but that is obviously going to be the difference between 4 million and 5 million for a data set that is per 1M of population, thus skewing the data one way or the other.

 

[mt.wellington]

Just what we need. Another covid thread. Awesome...

 

[wizards rage]

Yes, but that is obviously going to be the difference between 4 million and 5 million for a data set that is per 1M of population, thus skewing the data one way or the other.

By less than 4% and it will be a consistently applied variance for all countries.

Supply a source and everyone tries to discredit it. That’s how conspiracy theorists try to twist facts, by discrediting the experts (UN) 🤣

I’m not playing this game anymore and not interested in more posts - I know the facts are inconvenient but…

 

[Damo]

By less than 4% and it will be a consistently applied variance for all countries

It's interesting considering it's been widely reported we went over the 5M mark in early 2020. I doubt our population has decreased in two-three years.

 

[wizards rage]

It's interesting considering it's been widely reported we went over the 5M mark in early 2020. I doubt our population has decreased in two-three years.

4.89m vs 5.1m - it’s really not a big difference and is based on our average growth rate historically and applied to our last census result.

Just a different way of calculating that is statistically replicatable across all countries.

You can’t use our current calculations when some other country hasn’t updated their projections in 5 years. It needs a repeatable system that is pretty accurate for all countries as opposed to highly accurate for some and way out for others.

 

[Damo]

4.89 vs 5.1 - it’s really not a big difference and is based on our average growth rate historically and applied to our last census result.

Well, it is a big difference when using a stat like per 1M population.. Obviously.

 

[wizards rage]

Well, it is a big difference when using a stat like per 1M population.. Obviously.

Ok Nz death per million with your population is

750 deaths per million
Australia 722 dpm

We’re still higher than Aussie 👍

 

[Damo]

Ok Nz death per million with your population is

750 deaths per million
Australia 722 dpm

👍

How so?

Covid related deaths / million: 2477 / 5 = 495.4?

 

[john nick]

Because it’s deaths per million CASES not population.

No more comments from me… I give up

Hopefully you are okay wiz.
What percentage of flys do you have today versus the average number of people who are living in your home as opposed to your immediate area less the people who have one leg 🦵