General Fixing the Warriors - Fans Edition

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The way to fix a lot of it is to actually have a coaching structure and for all three teams to play to the same structure. That's what Melbourne and Brisbane do. It requires an actually structure and playbook though, so it might be problematic for us.

The juniors are too inexperienced to run anything, the NSW warriors play the same stuff, fullback coming into the line to create space for the winger, which every team does.

They just have better players compared to other reserve grade teams, whereas the first grade are rank average, and don’t try hard enough to make up for it.
 
They need to spend more time passing, tackling and Kicking than the rest of the NRL.

They can bring in a coach specialist for those core skills.

That will help, but truly they need to spend thousands more hours than other teams investing in their local players to do the basics better than anyone else.

They need to apply more pressure in opposed training and come up with some drills that replicate line speed exhaustion and pressure pressure pressure....the goal being to execute the basics while gradually lowering the percentage of times they make mistakes.

Most of all, when people commit unforced errors in a game, they need to go back to the drawing board, pop the fellow into the NSWarriors as a assistance model rather than punishment.

That would take a culture shift in the thinking of the Warriors club and their players,

That will piss Fans off, players, agents, and sometimes Ceo's alike.

That will lose them games.

Over time it will heal the playing problem.

For that approach to have any chance of success they probably need a big name coach that no one dares undermine for stripping the the whole machine down and rebuilding it.

Sadly a lesser name coach who is just as capable, doesn't have the mandate to reshape the Warriors.

They have the Ceo to fix the off field stuff.


A lot of people are talking about a full time mental skills coach. I'm sure thats important, but you have to address the fact that the majority of the competition are better at passing, kicking, tackling and holding onto the ball.

The silly decisions the players make can be worked on as they arise.
 
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They need to spend more time passing, tackling and Kicking than the rest of the NRL.

They can bring in a coach specialist for those core skills.

That will help, but truly they need to spend thousands more hours than other teams investing in their local players to do the basics better than anyone else.

They need to apply more pressure in opposed training and come up with some drills that replicate line speed exhaustion and pressure pressure pressure....the goal being to execute the basics while gradually lowering the percentage of times they make mistakes.

Most of all, when people commit unforced errors in a game, they need to go back to the drawing board, pop they fellow into the NSWarriors as a assistance model rather than punishment.

That would take a culture shift in the thinking of the Warriors club and their players,

That will piss Fans off, players, agents, and sometimes Ceo's alike.

That will lose them games.

Over time it will heal the playing problem.

For that approach to have any chance of success they probably need a big name coach that no one dares undermine for stripping the the whole machine down and rebuilding it.

Sadly a lesser name coach who is just as capable, doesn't have the mandate to reshape the Warriors.

They have the Ceo to fix the off field stuff.


A lot of people are talking about a full time mental skills coach. I'm sure thats important, but you have to address the fact that the majority of the competition are better at passing, kicking, tackling and holding onto the ball.

The silly decisions the players make can be worked on as they arise.

Whilst I agree with most of this we tried a mental coach before - Bluey - our trouble is attracting a sane one to our asylum.
 
It takes a good 4 weeks of full immersion to change someone's mind set.

This is why boot camp (basic training) is six weeks long. Thats how long it takes to turn the average teenage meatheat into one of our nations finest...

It would turn our future squad into a bunch of disciplined humans if nothing else.... They'd learn how to follow orders and get to fire machine guns...

If they had to pass to make the team they'd be much better of just for the experience...
 
You have to be inside the camp to know what is really wrong
Why not play a roster with what players we have left most ridiculed players on this forum are not allowed to be picked So no
Mutts
Mannering
Hoffman
Vete
Wright
Lillyman
Lisone
Hurrel
Thompson
Asyford
Manu
Robson
 
No up front money !!

Everyone on a small retainer, then bonus pay outs each game on performance.....................yeah i've been drinking again lol

Ok seriously

TBH bottom line is, I really have no clue or idea on how to fix this club, I really don't think it can be done..........

In saying that, the Sharks have never won a premiership, and they started in 1967 from memory.....so yeah, are we expecting far too much ?

just saying.......
 
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Remember when it was said that New Zealand couldn't produce spine players, yet we had 120kg forwards queuing up for a game?

Now at the Warriors we have Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Lolohea, Leuluai, Johnson, Luke etc and we get rolled up the middle in every game.

Times have changed.
All the big Kiwi forwards are now playing for the 15 Aussie clubs.

Guess they like the idea of maybe winning the comp at some point in their lives.

We get stuck with the players who want to play pro footy in the NRL, but don't want to have to deal with Australian culture. Guys who are well stuck in their comfort zone in Auckland...

We need to be sending these guys over to super league for some real culture shock.
 
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I get why people are blaming Doyle.

I'm of the opposite opinion.

I think that Doyle is likely the only person we have that can fix the Warriors. I am not avoiding the reality that things have spiraled out of control under Doyle.

Well at least that's how it appears on the surface.

Lets take a step back and separate Mr Doyles pedigree from this recent tarnishing by association with the most dysfunctional team in NZ sport.

Recent events at the Warriors does not change the fact that Doyle is the most sort after Rugby league administrator in the NRL.

Nothing that happens at the Warriors will change the fact that Doyles Rugby league involvement has never been about his Salary.

In fact he is one of the only people in that organisation that can't be fingered as a bludger.

Doyle doesn't even need to protect his career or worry about his reputation. He is the most valuable human commodity the Warriors have.

Doyle could walk out tomorrow and if he wanted another job in the NRL, they would create a position for him...as i say he is a self made man who works in rugby league for the love of the sport.

New Zealanders have never understood when they have great individuals among them. We are fickle. We judge people based on the things they get wrong, rather than seeing the bigger picture.

There are chronic problems at the Warriors.

Ill discipline and poor attitudes have poisoned the place since the creation of the Warriors, this is not just leveled at players.

The successes the Warriors have had tend to be the exception not the rule.

Doyles problems as I see them:

Players that flagrantly took him on.

A Coaching position that is the most ridiculed and least desirable job in the NRL.

Several years of under performance by people who are protected by contracts.

Very poor public perception.

A team that damages the Warrior brand every time they take the field.

A twenty year culture of knowing you are not good enough.

Media waiting to feed off the next Warriors drama.

Just Pray Jim gets some help from the players.

The Warriors are in their hands, the club is going under.

The NRL have no interest in a NZ based franchise that has no fans.

The NRL will be watching to see if Doyle can fix it. IF NOT THE WARRIORS ARE HISTORY.

sorry for shouting but a moment of passion over took there.......can anyone deny the Warriors are on their last legs and that the only lot that can save us is the players ? our fate is tied to their attitudes ?
 
I agree in general with what you say Dave, however, I am hopeful (maybe deluded) that things may be further down the track than what we think as regards the changes we want and need.

We all know that in general people don't want change, particularly when people perceive it affects them adversely, such as not being able to operate in their comfort zones and behaviours.

It is reasonable to assume that those who have been in that 'culture' the longest will be the ones most disaffected by change. Namely senior, long serving players.

Such a culture breeds selfishness and self entitlement in some who will kick back. It appears to have worked for them in the past and we are seeing it again. Although painful as far as results go in the short term, it will identify those who need to go (as evidenced by Hoffman and McFadden's presser).

If you have a cadre of senior players willing to buy into the future direction, and this IMO is why SGH has come aboard at this time, then a good culture can be established. The senior players are the key in this, both good and bad.
 

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I get why people are blaming Doyle.

The NRL will be watching to see if Doyle can fix it. IF NOT THE WARRIORS ARE HISTORY.

sorry for shouting but a moment of passion over took there.......can anyone deny the Warriors are on their last legs and that the only lot that can save us is the players ? our fate is tied to their attitudes ?

IDK bro, what do sky pay for the rights to the NRL? That number would get slashed if the warriors went under (and weren’t replaced with another NZ team, like the Kingz/Knights begetting the Phoenix)

Even if they end up playing in front of 4K people every week a la the Titans, the NZ broadcast rights are in place and make them worth keeping.

The other clubs probably love having us, its an easy 2 points most weeks, and they get a few ex-pats through the turnstiles when the woe-woes come to town.

Agree that if Doyle threw his hands up and left, things would get worse, but at least the NRL aren’t forced into buying a stake to keep the joint financially afloat, like they’ve done with Newcastle.

The top 4 powerhouse dreams are dashed, for the next few years, but I believe they are a new football staff (sorry cappy) and ritual defenestration of a bulk load of senior underacheviers (or send them to super league, whichever you prefer) to going back to being a young team of plucky underdogs that at least have a crack and don't make their supporters ashamed. And build from there.
 
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IDK bro, what do sky pay for the rights to the NRL? That number would get slashed if the warriors went under (and weren’t replaced with another NZ team, like the Kingz/Knights begetting the Phoenix)

Even if they end up playing in front of 4K people every week a la the Titans, the NZ broadcast rights are in place and make them worth keeping.

The other clubs probably love having us, its an easy 2 points most weeks, and they get a few ex-pats through the turnstiles when the woe-woes come to town.

Agree that if Doyle threw his hands up and left, things would get worse, but at least the NRL aren’t forced into buying a stake to keep the joint financially afloat, like they’ve done with Newcastle.

The top 4 powerhouse dreams are dashed, for the next few years, but I believe they are a new football staff (sorry cappy) and ritual defenestration of a bulk load of senior underacheviers (or send them to super league, whichever you prefer) to going back to being a young team of plucky underdogs that at least have a crack and don't make their supporters ashamed. And build from there.
I'd love to know how heavily sky rely on NRL fans. Particularly Warriors fans.
Sky themselves are under siege.

I could quite honestly see a time where the whole shebang looks unpalatable to the NRL.

All is not lost i know, and I see the same idea of a clean out and rebuild as the Warriors last default option.

But the way these guys have been getting soundly thrashed is turning people against them.

We've seen the first stage Denial, then shock....now anger......resolution will either come in the form of people accepting the Warriors are not worth it (seen a lot of that around here lately) or the Warriors themselves healing the problem.

It's scary that it has come to this. These are not people I would chose (apart from Doyle) to save the Warriors.
 
IDK bro, what do sky pay for the rights to the NRL? That number would get slashed if the warriors went under (and weren’t replaced with another NZ team, like the Kingz/Knights begetting the Phoenix)

Even if they end up playing in front of 4K people every week a la the Titans, the NZ broadcast rights are in place and make them worth keeping.

The other clubs probably love having us, its an easy 2 points most weeks, and they get a few ex-pats through the turnstiles when the woe-woes come to town.

Agree that if Doyle threw his hands up and left, things would get worse, but at least the NRL aren’t forced into buying a stake to keep the joint financially afloat, like they’ve done with Newcastle.

The top 4 powerhouse dreams are dashed, for the next few years, but I believe they are a new football staff (sorry cappy) and ritual defenestration of a bulk load of senior underacheviers (or send them to super league, whichever you prefer) to going back to being a young team of plucky underdogs that at least have a crack and don't make their supporters ashamed. And build from there.

Interesting point about Sky getting smashed - the only thing they really offer is a combined sports package that works out cheaper than adding up all the various online options for viewing sports (so they still have people like me who watch a variety of sports but they've lost a lot of sports fans who have a particular sport that they are interested in to online steaming - and they've lost the movie and entertainment war to Netflix, Lightbox etc.)

They would probably go down the toilet if someone like Netflix got the global rights to the English Premier League and launched a sports add-on to their service.
 
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Interesting point about Sky getting smashed - the only thing they really offer is a combined sports package that works out cheaper than adding up all the various online options for viewing sports (so they still have people like me who watch a variety of sports but they've lost a lot of sports fans who have a particular sport that they are interested in to online steaming - and they've lost the movie and entertainment war to Netflix, Lightbox etc.)

They would probably go down the toilet if someone like Netflix got the global rights to the English Premier League and launched a sports add-on to their service.

Sky are slack and offer a shit product these days, but as long as they hold the exclusive rights to the All Blacks in this country they will be fine.

According to their own statements, they’ve got the NRL rights until 2022, surely they wouldn’t be committing to that if the warriors were in danger of being turfed out.

https://www.sky.co.nz/-/mk_pressrelease_1604-1
 
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If the players would stop trying to get the coach sacked and played fair to the club that would go a long way towards fixing the club.

Let the fans get the coach sacked, if he needs sacking. Right now I'm not even sure if Cappy is the problem.

If the players give 100% to the coach and we still under perform then its the coach who must go.

Right now its the player power which is fucking everything IMO...

Fix that or don't bother doing anything else. Just watch the club crash and burn...