Internationals England vs Kiwis Series 2018

davewjnz

davewjnz

Series or not, what a spanking 34 ZIP!
Yet we threatened to do that in either game 1 and 2 but lacked the same composure
England can talk up winning the series but agree it was won on a couple of dodgy calls.
Imagine if we had Luke interchanging with Smith
Puts us in a better space going into next year with the newly proposed International calendar
Madge has got us moving in the right direction so hoping he see's out his contract
Aussie (win) England (win) Tonga (next)
 
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Run_it_str8

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Series or not, what a spanking 34 ZIP!
Yet we threatened to do that in either game 1 and 2 but lacked the same composure
England can talk up winning the series but agree it was won on a couple of dodgy calls.
Imagine if we had Luke interchanging with Smith
Puts us in a better space going into next year with the newly proposed International calendar
Madge has got us moving in the right direction so hoping he see's out his contract
Aussie (win) England (win) Tonga (next)

With Captain Marvellous to return as well as NAS Tohu Harris and a couple of others that will help too.
 
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diehard

Thanks. I don't have an app, but will try to go on match centre. Weirdly, you don't need an app during the regular season to get player stats.
 
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Oh sorry I meant the match centre inside the app, I forget you can't the app in NZ(which is dumb really).

Edit - actually nrl.com doesnt have the full team/player stats breakdown like app I just looked.
 
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Sky Waka

Sky Waka

I saw a replay of what JWH got sin binned for, but did anyone else see Hodgson headbutt him.
 
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Masters passing ability is about as on par as Kata. Maumalo needs a decent centre in his life asap.
 
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Shit even I'm getting sick of hearing sound bites of Dave Dobbin
No way. You young guys have no taste;):D
Masters trying a Kata.... and is just as successful. No try
That was Isaiah. I bet he gets chewed about it.
England have handed it to us on a plate with their fumbling today....
I think because we scored first it put the fear of heyzeuss up them. It sure shut the crowd up as well.

The rest was just a genuine international slug fest that they had to tough out, and they did. Would I rather have a series loss and a duck egg at the end, or a series win and a duck egg at the end. Nobody is going to forget the duck egg, they will forget the series.

I have to say Shaun Johnson and Nikorima had excellent games. I don't know what Madge said to them but it sure worked. They are the two best halves in international league based on that performance.

I hate this talk about the Tonga game. Tonga are a fake team but it will put some money in the NZRL coffers. They need to go to Eden Park though.
 
Hardyman's Yugo

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I think because we scored first it put the fear of heyzeuss up them. It sure shut the crowd up as well.

I don’t think it was that so much panic as the fact we missed basic one on one tackles for the first two tries, maybe our lot believed their own publicity after a series win. Your try just before half time was a good one mind.

Second half once we didn’t score in the first 10 mins we gave up, culminating in the Lomax drop out leading to your last try which was pathetic tbh

I expect ears will be burning this morning, they deserve it
 
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Fearmuss

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The score was one sided but it wasn't a boring game, England had lots of chances
No way. You young guys have no taste;):D

That was Isaiah. I bet he gets chewed about it.

I think because we scored first it put the fear of heyzeuss up them. It sure shut the crowd up as well.

The rest was just a genuine international slug fest that they had to tough out, and they did. Would I rather have a series loss and a duck egg at the end, or a series win and a duck egg at the end. Nobody is going to forget the duck egg, they will forget the series.

I have to say Shaun Johnson and Nikorima had excellent games. I don't know what Madge said to them but it sure worked. They are the two best halves in international league based on that performance.

I hate this talk about the Tonga game. Tonga are a fake team but it will put some money in the NZRL coffers. They need to go to Eden Park though.

It actually seemed like they followed a game plan this time. There was some idiotic stuff in the last test, like passing to Nikorima when he was on his knees...
 
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Give this a read... it’s a bit long but I really think it will put NZ’s league into perspective and shows how good we are actually going and how corrupt the nrl are.

Every England supporters excuse is about how they had injured players not available. They say that like NZ didn’t. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Dally M player + would of been golden boot with his form) , Isaac Luke(awesome form this year), Kieren Foran, Jordan rapana, Martin tapau, tohu Harris, dean whare ( regarded as the best defensive centre in the game and praised from Inglis about how Whare was all over him) , Nelson A-S, Corey H-N etc (I’m sure there were more I didn’t mention).

Plus the retirements of Simon mannering, Russell packer (who was pathetically 28 years old), Ben matulino ( who was 29), lost respect from matulino and packer for jumping off the sinking ship like that. I don’t recall players from Aus/Eng doing that which would be like josh Hodgson or whitehead or Cordner retiring now. However Australia and NZ just has their big loss of players. Next will be England with o’Laughlin and graham etc

Not to mention the nearly dozen players that changed allegiances less than a year ago. Such as taumalolo, fusitua, Addin Fonua-Blake, manu Mau, taukeiaho, lolohea, Kata, hurrell etc. I’m not debating their switch just merely pointing out that a tier 1 nation had the biggest hit to their roster in any nations history. Imagine if that many players left England or Australia. Imagine if England lost massive name players to Scotland or Australia lost as many as NZ to Tonga ( and not just Fifita who’s best days are behind him) It wouldn’t be as bad if taumalolo played for NZ til 30 and we got his best years out of him. So aus didn’t lose much with Fifita

Also having one of our biggest stars Sonny bill williams leave the sport he had been apart of for a long time. That’s like Greg Inglis or Sam Burgess leaving for Aus/Eng ( I know burgess left for a short time but he came back and hasn’t been shifting from codes his whole career like SBW so hasn’t been the a big loss.

Also having players be constantly poached like Ponga, Valentine Holmes ( even after verbally agreeing to Stephan Kearney), Tamou, Papalii( who played junior kiwis) , Jordan Maclean etc. I say that NZ rugby league is doing very well considering league is the second rugby code by a mile in nz which Australia definitely doesn’t have that problem with the wallabies being so bad and Australians growing up with 15 NRL clubs to dream of playing for rather than just 1. NZ loses tonnes of players to union which just doesn’t happen in Australia.

The whole nrl is biased to Aus and having the whole comp revolve around Aus despite them supposed to be a neutral organisation. They only want Aus to be good. God knows why they are heavily involved in the international football, there is an international rugby league organisation for that. That’s like Super rugby or the super league announcing and organising international games lol it’s laughable how bias it is. They cut NZs international funding so they only get $5000 now instead of the around $20,000. Did they cut Australia’s funding? NO, why not if they are cutting the funding for one international side which is represented by the nrl. Why are they only funding Aus?? They denied Vunivalu’s request to play for NZ. Despite him spending his teen years/schooled in NZ and being developed in NZ, but then you think of when they bent the rules to have semi Radradra fast tracked for the trans Tasman test and eligible for Aus, which he had only been there for 2 years. How has this not been brought up by a NZRL representative??? The NRL funds origin with the $30,000 game bonus which is another massive incentive for players to pick Australia over NZ. Origin is supposed to be a representative fixture for Australia selection. Would they fund $30,000 per player per game for a North island v South Island to help pick the NZ team? No chance. Then they introduced the Maori all stars v aboriginal allstars. Great concept but hate the idea when you think about how many more kiwis they will poach now as AUS now can use the monetary incentive plus the fact that kiwis can still represent their culture with the maori All stars. I guarantee they used it to lure Ponga to play for Aus. Also Aus had to play the 1st against game against Tonga, there’s no way they would let NZ thrive from having that honour, they had to steal the glory even though 99.9% of supporters would of much preferred to see a Tonga/NZ game and the game being held in NZ, makes perfect sense for a NZ /Tonga game. So for players, the possible $90,000 per year for origin plus the $15,000-$20,000 per game for Aus is too big to sacrifice especially when they can now represent their culture with the Maori all stars now too. Which the origin/aus rep brings larger endorsement deals also as they are higher profile stars with all of the publicity which means even more money. The supporters would also love a state of origin style 3 way match for Tonga v NZ. Will that ever happen? NO. It would be a good draw card to level the playing field so kiwis weren’t lost to Aus. Even though it would improve Tonga and NZ rugby through the Polynesian young kids who will want to be a part of that contest rather than the all blacks or Australia. Think of the Polynesian growth. But still, this will never happen, and even if it did there would be no chance the NRL would fund it so the match payments would be $5k for NZ and a lot less for Tonga. Pathetic. But the NRL talk about growing the game. Perfect opportunity which will go begging. Australia and the nrl hated the idea of the Denver game for NZ, then reported a month later that they are really considering the AUS/Tonga game in New York. Todd Greenberg came out and reported that he wishes to get Israel Folau back and personally wanted to have a discussion with him and then they made an NRL war chest based around him which why it’s known as the Israel Folau war chest. Same as the Josh Hodgson rule for salary cap exemptions for injuries. And sad they could use it for him in getting Folau back in the game which again would be perfect for Aus rugby league. He he ever said that about getting SBW back despite him being a bigger name and draw card? NO ( depots is making more sense but thinking about it would be perfect for NZ but of course can’t have that).

Blatantly bias, and no one brings up these indiscretions in NZ league. I can just imagine these old fat white men in leading Aus league and the NRL, rubbing their hands together and making these plans to keep Aus league strong and to ruin NZ as they know NZ is the massive threat in league. Around 2015/2016 the kiwis had a mini 4 game winning streak and dominated Aus with Thurston, slater, smith, Cronk all being in their prime. Really shows how strong my rugby is and was especially with SBW, Foran, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Johnson, Taumalolo, etc filling the kiwi team back then. But since the NRL has changed that massivly through the reasons above. All of this above happened after the kiwi domination with al of those stars beating Aus with their legends. Perfect timing for aus to try to break NZ rugby down. They made Kieren Foran jump through hoops to get back into the NRL like cutting ties with a dodgy bloke despite many other players having a close relationship with the same bloke to this day also and despite the fact that he never committed any crime or anything the Nrl just picked him and not the other players to cut ties, also they made it so hard for him with his mental health, but I don’t recall them making it that hard for Greg Inglis or anyone else. I still remember waiting anxiously for days as the nrl deliberated about letting him sign with the warriors. I’ve never seen them like that with any other player. Then compare that to Matt Lodge with his New York rampage and assault. They NRL let him sign an nrl contact even before the court case was settled and there was no payment plan set up for him to pay his debt. Which is totally unfair when Foran had numerous programs and reporting + had to prove everything to the nrl. Inconsistent and once again bias

So the next time an Australian or English supporter wants to complain about their squad they really need to think about New Zealand’s recent history, it really puts it into perspective. I would love to see Eng or Aus to go through player loss like that and try to be as good as New Zealand.

Thanks for reading and let me know what you think of this
 
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Give this a read... it’s a bit long but I really think it will put NZ’s league into perspective and shows how good we are actually going and how corrupt the nrl are.

Every England supporters excuse is about how they had injured players not available. They say that like NZ didn’t. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Dally M player + would of been golden boot with his form) , Isaac Luke(awesome form this year), Kieren Foran, Jordan rapana, Martin tapau, tohu Harris, dean whare ( regarded as the best defensive centre in the game and praised from Inglis about how Whare was all over him) , Nelson A-S, Corey H-N etc (I’m sure there were more I didn’t mention).

Plus the retirements of Simon mannering, Russell packer (who was pathetically 28 years old), Ben matulino ( who was 29), lost respect from matulino and packer for jumping off the sinking ship like that. I don’t recall players from Aus/Eng doing that which would be like josh Hodgson or whitehead or Cordner retiring now. However Australia and NZ just has their big loss of players. Next will be England with o’Laughlin and graham etc

Not to mention the nearly dozen players that changed allegiances less than a year ago. Such as taumalolo, fusitua, Addin Fonua-Blake, manu Mau, taukeiaho, lolohea, Kata, hurrell etc. I’m not debating their switch just merely pointing out that a tier 1 nation had the biggest hit to their roster in any nations history. Imagine if that many players left England or Australia. Imagine if England lost massive name players to Scotland or Australia lost as many as NZ to Tonga ( and not just Fifita who’s best days are behind him) It wouldn’t be as bad if taumalolo played for NZ til 30 and we got his best years out of him. So aus didn’t lose much with Fifita

Also having one of our biggest stars Sonny bill williams leave the sport he had been apart of for a long time. That’s like Greg Inglis or Sam Burgess leaving for Aus/Eng ( I know burgess left for a short time but he came back and hasn’t been shifting from codes his whole career like SBW so hasn’t been the a big loss.

Also having players be constantly poached like Ponga, Valentine Holmes ( even after verbally agreeing to Stephan Kearney), Tamou, Papalii( who played junior kiwis) , Jordan Maclean etc. I say that NZ rugby league is doing very well considering league is the second rugby code by a mile in nz which Australia definitely doesn’t have that problem with the wallabies being so bad and Australians growing up with 15 NRL clubs to dream of playing for rather than just 1. NZ loses tonnes of players to union which just doesn’t happen in Australia.

The whole nrl is biased to Aus and having the whole comp revolve around Aus despite them supposed to be a neutral organisation. They only want Aus to be good. God knows why they are heavily involved in the international football, there is an international rugby league organisation for that. That’s like Super rugby or the super league announcing and organising international games lol it’s laughable how bias it is. They cut NZs international funding so they only get $5000 now instead of the around $20,000. Did they cut Australia’s funding? NO, why not if they are cutting the funding for one international side which is represented by the nrl. Why are they only funding Aus?? They denied Vunivalu’s request to play for NZ. Despite him spending his teen years/schooled in NZ and being developed in NZ, but then you think of when they bent the rules to have semi Radradra fast tracked for the trans Tasman test and eligible for Aus, which he had only been there for 2 years. How has this not been brought up by a NZRL representative??? The NRL funds origin with the $30,000 game bonus which is another massive incentive for players to pick Australia over NZ. Origin is supposed to be a representative fixture for Australia selection. Would they fund $30,000 per player per game for a North island v South Island to help pick the NZ team? No chance. Then they introduced the Maori all stars v aboriginal allstars. Great concept but hate the idea when you think about how many more kiwis they will poach now as AUS now can use the monetary incentive plus the fact that kiwis can still represent their culture with the maori All stars. I guarantee they used it to lure Ponga to play for Aus. Also Aus had to play the 1st against game against Tonga, there’s no way they would let NZ thrive from having that honour, they had to steal the glory even though 99.9% of supporters would of much preferred to see a Tonga/NZ game and the game being held in NZ, makes perfect sense for a NZ /Tonga game. So for players, the possible $90,000 per year for origin plus the $15,000-$20,000 per game for Aus is too big to sacrifice especially when they can now represent their culture with the Maori all stars now too. Which the origin/aus rep brings larger endorsement deals also as they are higher profile stars with all of the publicity which means even more money. The supporters would also love a state of origin style 3 way match for Tonga v NZ. Will that ever happen? NO. It would be a good draw card to level the playing field so kiwis weren’t lost to Aus. Even though it would improve Tonga and NZ rugby through the Polynesian young kids who will want to be a part of that contest rather than the all blacks or Australia. Think of the Polynesian growth. But still, this will never happen, and even if it did there would be no chance the NRL would fund it so the match payments would be $5k for NZ and a lot less for Tonga. Pathetic. But the NRL talk about growing the game. Perfect opportunity which will go begging. Australia and the nrl hated the idea of the Denver game for NZ, then reported a month later that they are really considering the AUS/Tonga game in New York. Todd Greenberg came out and reported that he wishes to get Israel Folau back and personally wanted to have a discussion with him and then they made an NRL war chest based around him which why it’s known as the Israel Folau war chest. Same as the Josh Hodgson rule for salary cap exemptions for injuries. And sad they could use it for him in getting Folau back in the game which again would be perfect for Aus rugby league. He he ever said that about getting SBW back despite him being a bigger name and draw card? NO ( depots is making more sense but thinking about it would be perfect for NZ but of course can’t have that).

Blatantly bias, and no one brings up these indiscretions in NZ league. I can just imagine these old fat white men in leading Aus league and the NRL, rubbing their hands together and making these plans to keep Aus league strong and to ruin NZ as they know NZ is the massive threat in league. Around 2015/2016 the kiwis had a mini 4 game winning streak and dominated Aus with Thurston, slater, smith, Cronk all being in their prime. Really shows how strong my rugby is and was especially with SBW, Foran, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Johnson, Taumalolo, etc filling the kiwi team back then. But since the NRL has changed that massivly through the reasons above. All of this above happened after the kiwi domination with al of those stars beating Aus with their legends. Perfect timing for aus to try to break NZ rugby down. They made Kieren Foran jump through hoops to get back into the NRL like cutting ties with a dodgy bloke despite many other players having a close relationship with the same bloke to this day also and despite the fact that he never committed any crime or anything the Nrl just picked him and not the other players to cut ties, also they made it so hard for him with his mental health, but I don’t recall them making it that hard for Greg Inglis or anyone else. I still remember waiting anxiously for days as the nrl deliberated about letting him sign with the warriors. I’ve never seen them like that with any other player. Then compare that to Matt Lodge with his New York rampage and assault. They NRL let him sign an nrl contact even before the court case was settled and there was no payment plan set up for him to pay his debt. Which is totally unfair when Foran had numerous programs and reporting + had to prove everything to the nrl. Inconsistent and once again bias

So the next time an Australian or English supporter wants to complain about their squad they really need to think about New Zealand’s recent history, it really puts it into perspective. I would love to see Eng or Aus to go through player loss like that and try to be as good as New Zealand.

Thanks for reading and let me know what you think of this
Players leave for MMT so the Kiwis simply rob Cook Islands and Samoa of players...
 

Warriorsxx

Players leave for MMT so the Kiwis simply rob Cook Islands and Samoa of players...

I wasn’t disputing their change in allegiance. I was merely stating a fact that NZ have been hit massively by great players defecting. Something that Australia and England haven’t had to deal with. And I did make that clear in my post.

And just to get one thing clear. These Kiwi players with Tongan, cook islander, Samoan heritage identity as kiwis as they understand that they were brought up kiwis. The fact that they have cook island or Samoan heritage is merely coincidence. I’ve got heritage that I don’t claim because it’s purely my history and I still call myself a kiwi. Just because you have heritage doesn’t mean that you can’t be a kiwi and Joseph many etc still call themselves kiwis. Just look at their instagrams. Look at the all blacks. No one says that they poach Tongans, Samoans, cook islanders etc because they are classified as kiwis with other heritage and Nz develop them and make a name out of them. Not the other way around.

But now that you have up. Without NZ these defecting players aren’t anything. Born, bred, developed, schooled e then poached by clubs them defecting to Tonga. Without NZ Jason taumalolo and co are nothing. I understand why they chose to do it. My point is that without NZ, there wouldn’t be these players that we know for all you guys to argue about. Without NZ they would be living in Tonga living off the land instead of travelling the world with lots of money. So NZ made these players that we know now and it’s because of NZ that we have the opportunity to know who these players are and are able to watch them carve up footy.

For taumalolo and co to leave NZ the way he did and not have the guts to call the coach and not wait until the day before announcement, that was disgusting. It’s almost like he had a personal vendetta against NZ and wanted to get back at them. He was given the opportunity by NZ then spat in their face. He obviously pissed off many players from NZ as it was getting heated and dirty during the NZ/ Tonga game and the fact that he lead the Tongan war cry for the first time against NZ ironically really was strange which I think had a real double meaning behind it as a result of a falling out with the players. Now look at all of the stars now. Johnson, tuivasa sheck etc don’t even follow him on Instagram anymore. There’s something more to the story with it all. There’s no way he should of left it that late and he would of known that it would be detrimental to NZ and would hurt their team by leaving it so late.

And I know people close to the Tongan team. And I know for a fact that the recruitment drive for the World Cup team started more than a year before the World Cup. So they had plenty of time to change allegiance. He literally suited up for NZ whilst knowing in the back of his mind that he was going to ditch NZ. It was only after he signed that $10million deal that he felt comfortable to ditch the extra pay day from NZ and it was only after Fifita cashed in through his whole career with aus/NSW that he was willing to give up the extra pay.

I want you to go to Jason taumalolos Instagram account and look at his old pics with NZ. He literally says “ although we’re proud Tongans, we still call NZ home sweet home”. The only thing that changed between then and now was his nice $10million pay packet.

There wouldn’t be any Samoan players or cook island players to “rob” without NZ. They would be no names working around the corner from you at the local shops. NZ can’t “rob” what’s theirs in the first place (all kiwi players)

You can still be a proud Samoan and play for your country NZ like Roger Tuivasa-Sheck. He knows his country is New Zealand. And those players with HERITAGE could always reject the offer to represent their country. NZ isn’t holding a gun to their heads forcing them to play.

So I hope that settles that argument. Without NZ = No Taumalolo,fusitua, etc
 
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