General Corruption in the NSW Police

[WA supporter]

There was a series several years ago here called Underbelly. The original series was about the Melbourne underworld,but a later series was made about Kings Cross. Was a Ch 9 production. I guess it’ll be on YouTube or other such.

 

[john nick]

There was a series several years ago here called Underbelly. The original series was about the Melbourne underworld,but a later series was made about Kings Cross. Was a Ch 9 production. I guess it’ll be on YouTube or other such.

Yeah mate I saw some of them. Very sorry I didn't see them all

 

[WA supporter]

The culture started back in the convict days. Cultures are difficult to eradicate.

It got worse during both world wars when many Police quit to go and fight, and many rogues joined the Police so they could out of going to war.

That was the case in NZ too, and by 1955 the outfit was so corrupt they sacked the Commissioner, a bible bashing Exclusive Brethren and had a Royal Commission into how to clean it up.

The NZ Police has been pretty good since then.

I think Arthur Allan Thomas may choose to differ with you there. without wishing to say anything slightly libellous. There are State govts here in Australia today that are too scared to call a Royal Commision into their police forces

 

[john nick]

I think Arthur Allan Thomas may choose to differ with you there. without wishing to say anything slightly libellous. There are State govts here in Australia today that are too scared to call a Royal Commision into their police forces

I remember the inquiry into Flannery probably about 30 years ago in Sydney. They truly had snipers on the roof of the courthouse as the witnesses arrived and departed

 

[bruce]

What young guy

He was a young Asian student, called Jamie Gao, a bit naïve, who they arranged to sell drugs to.

They agreed to meet him in a self storage in the Shire. He brought along his cash, they shot him, and dumped the body out at sea from their boat.

Trouble is the body surfaced, got identified and they tracked his movements to the self storage, had everything on security cameras.

Rogerson won't get out of prison.

 

[bruce]

I think Arthur Allan Thomas may choose to differ with you there.

He was convicted fair and square.

 

[bruce]

There was a series several years ago here called Underbelly. The original series was about the Melbourne underworld,but a later series was made about Kings Cross. Was a Ch 9 production. I guess it’ll be on YouTube or other such.

The interesting thing about that was the Kiwi crooks who got involved, and made a bit of headway against the locals. Terry Clark, absolute dangerous psycho.

 

[WA supporter]

I’m only relying on memory here. But wasn’t his conviction overturned?!

 

[WA supporter]

The interesting thing about that was the Kiwi crooks who got involved, and made a bit of headway against the locals. Terry Clark, absolute dangerous psycho.

Yes,there was also a series made about Mr Asia,in the same style as Underbelly. The name of the series evades me tho

 

[Gizzyfan]

Yes,there was also a series made about Mr Asia,in the same style as Underbelly. The name of the series evades me tho

Land of the long green cloud.

 

[john nick]

Land of the long green cloud.

Tale of two cities

 

[john nick]

Tale of two cities

One of the real life characters was a guy called Alphonso Giganto or similar. Ended up drinking with him a few times when he was visiting the Gold Coast not knowing who he was until a few years later he was shot dead in Melbourne

 

[john nick]

What young guy

The 20 year old man Gao who with his mate are reported to have gambled 90 million at the casino. The mind boggles

 

[matiunz]

There’s quite a few good true crime podcasts through abc that cover a lot of these - ‘unraveled’ is one I’m listening to at the moment that’s quite good

 

[bruce]

I’m only relying on memory here. But wasn’t his conviction overturned?!

If you are talking about Arthur Allan Thomas, no it never was, by the Courts anyway.

PM Robert Muldoon over rode legal and cabinet advice and pardoned him, or whatever.

The issue of the planted bullet was a bit akin to the Warriors losing their 2 points against the Magpies in 1995.

Sure they broke the rules but it had absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the case.

 

[Dixpat]

If you are talking about Arthur Allan Thomas, no it never was, by the Courts anyway.

PM Robert Muldoon over rode legal and cabinet advice and pardoned him, or whatever.

The issue of the planted bullet was a bit akin to the Warriors losing their 2 points against the Magpies in 1995.

Sure they broke the rules but it had absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the case.

You seem to live in an alternative world bruce

There was a Royal Commission of Inquiry which unanimously recommended to the Government of the day that Thomas should be pardoned for various reasons only one of which was the planted bullet case

 

[bruce]

You seem to live in an alternative world bruce

There was a Royal Commission of Inquiry which unanimously recommended to the Government of the day that Thomas should be pardoned for various reasons only one of which was the planted bullet case

He was found guilty by two juries.

The planted bullet case had been well and truly canvassed in the second trial. I don't think anybody doubted it had been planted. Then or now.

The Royal Commission was a set up (they are usually!!) by Muldoon because cabinet told him he could not pardon Thomas.

Now why not ask me why I am so certain? Go on.

Think about my last post.

The Warriors lost 2 competition points because they broke a rule in a game they won by 50 odd points.

So yes they broke a rule, but they still got thrashed in the game. The rule breach had no effect on the game.

 

[Rick O'Shay]

He was found guilty by two juries.

The planted bullet case had been well and truly canvassed in the second trial. I don't think anybody doubted it had been planted. Then or now.

The Royal Commission was a set up (they are usually!!) by Muldoon because cabinet told him he could not pardon Thomas.

Now why not ask me why I am so certain? Go on.

Think about my last post.

The Warriors lost 2 competition points because they broke a rule in a game they won by 50 odd points.

So yes they broke a rule, but they still got thrashed in the game. The rule breach had no effect on the game.

I'll save Dixpat the answer.

Perhaps he was convicted twice because the evidence was flawed and not just the cartridge case. That alone puts doubt out there as to what else could be corrupted.

 

[Dixpat]

He was found guilty by two juries.

The planted bullet case had been well and truly canvassed in the second trial. I don't think anybody doubted it had been planted. Then or now.

The Royal Commission was a set up (they are usually!!) by Muldoon because cabinet told him he could not pardon Thomas.

Now why not ask me why I am so certain? Go on.

Think about my last post.

The Warriors lost 2 competition points because they broke a rule in a game they won by 50 odd points.

So yes they broke a rule, but they still got thrashed in the game. The rule breach had no effect on the game.

I don’t need to know why you are so certain - the fact was that the conviction was unsafe.

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/12/the-district/thomas-royal-commission-1980.pdf

Have a read

 

[bruce]

I'll save Dixpat the answer.

Perhaps he was convicted twice because the evidence was flawed and not just the cartridge case. That alone puts doubt out there as to what else could be corrupted.

The key piece of evidence that got very little publicity...

… mainly because the Auckland Star editor, who hated cops, did a Donald Trump and kept on raving about the bullets....which was fair enough because that part was true...

… the evidence was that many farmers in those days had rubbish tips, usually over the back of the farm.

Thomas had an old trailer with a broken stub axle. The break was nice and clean, straight through.

Half the stub axle remained in the tip, somehow the other half ended up weighing one of the bodies in the Waikato River.

Funny you might think?

So did both juries.

The prosecution hammered it mercilessly through both trials, and made sure every morning the two halves of the axle were placed on the bench in front of the jury.

Now just consider yourself as a jury member, spending all day listening to endless bullshit, and right in front of you were these two half stub axles.

Tell me honestly what you would think, and would you have any doubt the prick was guilty?

… and further with all the headlines about the planted bullets...and the Auckland Star being the local version of Fox News, the press (and the public) paid little attention to the stub axles...

… and further with the massive amount of bleating Thomas and his supporters made, they never mentioned the stub axles, although as time wore on and it got more mention they turned to conspiracy theories like the Detective who was first on the scene did it.

One of their theories was that the Detective had a crush on the woman, (he didn't even know her) so he went to the tip and took half the axle, then murdered them both, and used the axle to weigh the guy down in the river....just to frame Thomas...who he did not know either!!!

A problem with that theory was that it surfaced years afterwards and after the Detective had long died.

Also, there were many very strange stories about the dead woman's father, and who fed the poor child for many days before the bodies were discovered.

So yes ladies and jellybeans, there were many strange happenings around that murder, the planted bullets being particularly stupid.

However, to this very day nobody has explained how how half a stub axle made it from a tip over the back of Thomas's farm to weighing down one of the bodies in the Waikato River.

… and neither did the Royal Commission...

Next question, how does Bruce know all this?

Bruce is a train spotter, knows heaps of lawyers, and all of this was well known and available in court transcripts...but that was a very long time ago.