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I am over 60 so my death rate is 3.6%, and although I am not a fat bastard and am quite fit I am technically obese (by 1kg) which raises my chances to somebody like a smoker. I am staying away from bars and brothels :eek: , and sleep on the bloody couch. Just saying like. There are 600,000 people in NZ over 65 so that is 21600 people like me on the way to greet St Peter this year. Sobering.

My God I've just realised today is my birthday, do you what that means, I'm probably going to die at same time in the future. Oh Fuck.
 
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Too many people on the planet anyway,
If you watch the YouTube clip, the actual death rate is just the start of it. That was based in China where they have a younger population. If they shut schools down, doctors and nurses with kids will have to stay home to look after them. Also people with ordinary life threatening conditions will be restricted to wards staffed by people clear of the virus. This is turning into a mind boggling shit fight that nobody really can predict
 
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I don’t think it’s the death rate we should be looking at but the infection rate

Watch it sore like an eagle if restrictions are not in place....
 
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The latest deaths in the UK .. 10
Of the latest deaths in the UK, eight were men aged over 80 and all were in "at-risk" groups.

They were being treated in hospitals in Buckinghamshire, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Leicester, London and Chester.

Prof Whitty said: "I understand this increase in the number of deaths linked to Covid-19 will be a cause for concern for many. The public should know every measure we are taking is seeking to save lives and protect the most vulnerable."

Most of the confirmed UK cases are in England. There have been 121 confirmed cases in Scotland, 60 in Wales and 34 in Northern Ireland.


Young British guy in his 20s explains what Coronavirus is like
 
surfin

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If you watch the YouTube clip, the actual death rate is just the start of it. That was based in China where they have a younger population. If they shut schools down, doctors and nurses with kids will have to stay home to look after them. Also people with ordinary life threatening conditions will be restricted to wards staffed by people clear of the virus. This is turning into a mind boggling shit fight that nobody really can predict

Will do, how toasted was Joe, that alone makes his podcasts worth watching. If they shut down schools all parents will have to stay home to look after kids. More enforced self isolation. "Ordinary life threatening conditions" what an interesting term, at a guess those people wouldn't consider their condition ordinary.
Thankfully "everyone" handed in their automatic weapons so gun fights will be kept at a minimum.
 
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The latest deaths in the UK .. 10
Of the latest deaths in the UK, eight were men aged over 80 and all were in "at-risk" groups.

They were being treated in hospitals in Buckinghamshire, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Leicester, London and Chester.

Prof Whitty said: "I understand this increase in the number of deaths linked to Covid-19 will be a cause for concern for many. The public should know every measure we are taking is seeking to save lives and protect the most vulnerable."

Most of the confirmed UK cases are in England. There have been 121 confirmed cases in Scotland, 60 in Wales and 34 in Northern Ireland.


Young British guy in his 20s explains what Coronavirus is like

They’ve got to do a reality tv show of people with the virus

That’s a money spinner if ever I saw one

Everyone and I mean everyone will be watching to see if they turn into zombies...

Must see tv right there!!

Survivors next season series - make it happen!!

8 corona virus infected people trapped on an island.

Who makes it out alive???

Winner takes home $1M and a life times worth of toilet paper and hand sanitizer.
 
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surfin

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They’ve got to do a reality tv show of people with the virus

That’s a money spinner if ever I saw one

Everyone and I mean everyone will be watching to see if they turn into zombies...

Must see tv right there!!

They already do, my missus watches it, I think it's called The Bachelorette, every time I see it on I say aren't they fucken dead yet.
 
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Can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on here.. i agree the world is over populated and humans can be pretty shitty, but I care about the elderly and anyone more at risk of suffering seriously as a result of this coronavirus.

My 73 year old mum lives with us and it fucks me off to think that some people think it's ok if she dies or is affected permanently just because people are selfish or apathetic.
 
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Can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on here.. i agree the world is over populated and humans can be pretty shitty, but I care about the elderly and anyone more at risk of suffering seriously as a result of this coronavirus.

My 73 year old mum lives with us and it fucks me off to think that some people think it's ok if she dies or is affected permanently just because people are selfish or apathetic.

I wouldn’t take things so seriously mate.

You’re gonna get all sorts of views, so you have to be flexible.

We all have loved ones, not just the elderly but those with medical conditions.

I agree some comments are over the top, but sometimes this is a good outlet to let out frustrations with limited consequences...

When push comes to shove, I’m sure we’re all decent human beings inside
 
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Can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on here.. i agree the world is over populated and humans can be pretty shitty, but I care about the elderly and anyone more at risk of suffering seriously as a result of this coronavirus.

My 73 year old mum lives with us and it fucks me off to think that some people think it's ok if she dies or is affected permanently just because people are selfish or apathetic.

Settle down, nobody wants people to die, my parents are both older than your mum and up until last night were due to go to Japan on holiday and I'm probably closer to the high risk age than you. Making light of this is one way to accept what's happening, whining is another, apparently we are approaching it from different ways.
 
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Whether this is an outlet or not, it is not an uncommon view that people are sharing in the real world too, which is more concerning.

I'm not quaking in my boots about coronavirus, but the least we can do is talk about it responsibly and appreciate the greater risk some individuals could face.
 
surfin

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Whether this is an outlet or not, it is not an uncommon view that people are sharing in the real world too, which is more concerning.

I'm not quaking in my boots about coronavirus, but the least we can do is talk about it responsibly and appreciate the greater risk some individuals could face.

You don't honestly believe large numbers of people believe the deaths of anyone, old, young or infirm is a preferable outcome. What does "talking about it responsibility" even mean? Sharing hand washing techniques maybe? Say nothing that might hurt feelings? You need to realise this whole shit storm is about more than just a virus but the whole knock on, and I'm sorry if it upsets you but people are going to die, that is the only absolute fact right now.
 
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You don't honestly believe large numbers of people believe the deaths of anyone, old, young or infirm is a preferable outcome. What does "talking about it responsibility" even mean? Sharing hand washing techniques maybe? Say nothing that might hurt feelings? You need to realise this whole shit storm is about more than just a virus but the whole knock on, and I'm sorry if it upsets you but people are going to die, that is the only absolute fact right now.

Clearly not all share this view, but I just don't think an internet forum is an excuse or an acceptable place to not be respectful of what someone may directly or indirectly suffer as a result of a virus (or anything for that matter).

Just because people dying is an inevitability, doesn't mean that lives and health are not the most important aspect of this whole business.

But whatever man, agree to disagree.
 
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Clearly not all share this view, but I just don't think an internet forum is an excuse or an acceptable place to not be respectful of what someone may directly or indirectly suffer as a result of a virus (or anything for that matter).

Just because people dying is an inevitability, doesn't mean that lives and health are not the most important aspect of this whole business.

But whatever man, agree to disagree.
Confucious say "When you gotta go, you gotta go." :D
 
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Clearly not all share this view, but I just don't think an internet forum is an excuse or an acceptable place to not be respectful of what someone may directly or indirectly suffer as a result of a virus (or anything for that matter).

Just because people dying is an inevitability, doesn't mean that lives and health are not the most important aspect of this whole business.

But whatever man, agree to disagree.

Cool, but you do realise that both of us fit into the all the possible victims category. If one of my loved ones die I promise to come on here and go, Guess what the jokes on me, if I myself die I may not be able to log on and tell you, so I'll apologise now.
 
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This is sobering, you gotta read it through, not just the headline. Especially that in BOLD. Imagine this in NZ.
Italy may abandon over-80s to their fate as crisis grows
Bologna: Coronavirus victims in Italy could be left to die if they are aged 80 or more, or in poor health, under draft plans drawn up for the next phase of the crisis.

The victims will be denied access to intensive care should pressure on beds increase, according to a new regional protocol, seen by The Telegraph, London, from the government's crisis management unit in Turin.


The document lays out in cold detail which patients receive treatment in intensive care and which do not if there are insufficient spaces - triggering concerns for the elderly in other countries if the infection rate follows suit.

Italy now has more than 17,000 positive cases and more than 1200 dead, second only to China. But the rate of death is far higher due to Italy's large elderly population.

Inside the Bergamo cemetery, the epicentre of the outbreak in the north, dozens of coffins fill the Ognissanti church, now an emergency mortuary storing corpses after the region's two hospitals could hold no more.

With funerals banned under Italy's lockdown decree, the city crematorium is set to begin operating on a new 24-hour schedule this weekend to keep up.

Officials had to close the cemetery to stop the elderly from coming by bus to say last respects to fellow friends, neighbours and relatives dying at an alarming rate.


The small town of Medicina, just outside Bologna, is mourning the death of three men,all friends, who frequented the same social-recreation centre. Francesco Nanni, 77, was the club's vice-president, Oddone Tolomelli, was the centre's cook, known for the excellent ragu sauce he made, while Luigi Balduini was the club's handyman and a passionate card player with a fixed seat at the corner table.

All died of coronavirus complications and more than a dozen others have fallen ill. In the Tuscan city of Prato, at least eight elderly have been infected in a senior home.

Since the more stringent lockdown measures were passed, 9,000 senior centres across the country have been closed, leaving thousands of elderly isolated in their homes.

Some have been abandoned by caregivers who no longer want to take public transport. Others have been approached by fraudsters posing as healthcare workers saying they need to do COVID-19 testing or disinfect their homes.

"To see entire generation of Bergamo (population 874,000) residents taken in this way - it is unthinkable," said one doctor working inside the Hospital Pope John XXIII, where nearly 150 people have died in recent days.

Of the country's 13 million elderly, approximately five million live alone. For them, the shutdown of their recreational centres and inability to see their grandchildren and extended family has created a new level of anxiety and solitude. "They are alone, being bombarded all day by information on television - we're not talking about anything but this outbreak - and they are not seeing their grandchildren, so there is less contact with one of the things that gives them the most joy," Eleonora Selvi, spokesman for the Senior Italia Federanziani association for the elderly, told The Sunday Telegraph.

In both the Lodi province and in Bergamo province, elderly couples both became infected and died within hours of one another in the last week.

Severa Belotti, 82 and Luigi Carrara, 86, died in hospital after being confined for days at home with fevers. They had been married 60 years.

"The psychological impact on the elderly population has been dramatic," Selvi said. "To say 'you will be sacrificed in ICU because there are more elderly victims and you have less of a chance of making it', well that is an alarming situation."


Pressure on the intensive care capacity in Bergamo increased after 71 of the region's doctors, nurses and healthcare workers tested positive for the virus. Many of them now lie in crowded intensive care wards with oxygen helmets hooked up to respiration tube
s.

One exasperated anaesthesiologist revealed this week that the lack of available breathing machines and beds were already forcing doctors to make devastating decisions about who to save and who to let die, based on age and health conditions.

"We decide depending on their age and the condition of their health. That is not me saying that, but the medical procedure manuals," Christian Salaroli, 48, told Corriere della Sera, the Milan daily. "If a patient aged 80-95 has massive respiratory problems, plus organ failure, then its all over." Salaroli added that Lombardy's strained hospitals were also taking a devastating emotional toll on his colleagues. Experienced nurses are breaking down in tears and doctors with nerves of steel now trembling.

The government has scrambled to respond, striking an urgent deal with China to ship 30 tons of emergency equipment, including breathing machines, oxygen helmets and masks, which arrived in Rome on Friday from Shanghai, along with nine Chinese COVID-19 medical experts.

In Milan, plans are under way to transform - in a week's time - an unused trade fair pavilion into a dedicated COVID-19 field hospital with 600 ICU beds.


The new protocol for treating the elderly was produced by the civil protection department of the Piedmont region, one of those hardest hit, and was signed by Mario Raviolo, the director of the regional crisis unit.

The document, which sources said was expected to be applied throughout Italy, says: "The growth of the current epidemic makes it likely that a point of imbalance between the clinical needs of patients with COVID-19 and the effective availability of intensive resources will be reached.

"Should it become impossible to provide all patients with intensive care services, it will be necessary to apply criteria for access to intensive treatment, which depends on the limited resources available."

One doctor said: "[Who lives and who dies] is decided by age and by the [patient's] health conditions. This is how it is in a war."

The Telegraph, London
 
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Coronavirus Italy: Medical chief dies after being infected with Covid-19
A doctor who had been handling the coronavirus crisis in northern Italy has died from the disease. Roberto Stella, 67, suffered respiratory failure on Tuesday after being diagnosed in Como, Italy, according to the country’s National Federation of Doctors and General Practitioners. The federation’s secretary Silvestro Scotti said in a statement: ‘He was the example of the capability and hard work of family doctors. His death represents the outcry of all colleagues who still today are not equipped with the proper individual protection needed.’


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/13/coro...-dies-infected-covid-19-12391571/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/



Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/13/coro...-dies-infected-covid-19-12391571/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/
 
surfin

surfin

This is sobering, you gotta read it through, not just the headline. Especially that in BOLD. Imagine this in NZ.
Italy may abandon over-80s to their fate as crisis grows
Bologna: Coronavirus victims in Italy could be left to die if they are aged 80 or more, or in poor health, under draft plans drawn up for the next phase of the crisis.

The victims will be denied access to intensive care should pressure on beds increase, according to a new regional protocol, seen by The Telegraph, London, from the government's crisis management unit in Turin.


The document lays out in cold detail which patients receive treatment in intensive care and which do not if there are insufficient spaces - triggering concerns for the elderly in other countries if the infection rate follows suit.

Italy now has more than 17,000 positive cases and more than 1200 dead, second only to China. But the rate of death is far higher due to Italy's large elderly population.

Inside the Bergamo cemetery, the epicentre of the outbreak in the north, dozens of coffins fill the Ognissanti church, now an emergency mortuary storing corpses after the region's two hospitals could hold no more.

With funerals banned under Italy's lockdown decree, the city crematorium is set to begin operating on a new 24-hour schedule this weekend to keep up.

Officials had to close the cemetery to stop the elderly from coming by bus to say last respects to fellow friends, neighbours and relatives dying at an alarming rate.


The small town of Medicina, just outside Bologna, is mourning the death of three men,all friends, who frequented the same social-recreation centre. Francesco Nanni, 77, was the club's vice-president, Oddone Tolomelli, was the centre's cook, known for the excellent ragu sauce he made, while Luigi Balduini was the club's handyman and a passionate card player with a fixed seat at the corner table.

All died of coronavirus complications and more than a dozen others have fallen ill. In the Tuscan city of Prato, at least eight elderly have been infected in a senior home.

Since the more stringent lockdown measures were passed, 9,000 senior centres across the country have been closed, leaving thousands of elderly isolated in their homes.

Some have been abandoned by caregivers who no longer want to take public transport. Others have been approached by fraudsters posing as healthcare workers saying they need to do COVID-19 testing or disinfect their homes.

"To see entire generation of Bergamo (population 874,000) residents taken in this way - it is unthinkable," said one doctor working inside the Hospital Pope John XXIII, where nearly 150 people have died in recent days.

Of the country's 13 million elderly, approximately five million live alone. For them, the shutdown of their recreational centres and inability to see their grandchildren and extended family has created a new level of anxiety and solitude. "They are alone, being bombarded all day by information on television - we're not talking about anything but this outbreak - and they are not seeing their grandchildren, so there is less contact with one of the things that gives them the most joy," Eleonora Selvi, spokesman for the Senior Italia Federanziani association for the elderly, told The Sunday Telegraph.

In both the Lodi province and in Bergamo province, elderly couples both became infected and died within hours of one another in the last week.

Severa Belotti, 82 and Luigi Carrara, 86, died in hospital after being confined for days at home with fevers. They had been married 60 years.

"The psychological impact on the elderly population has been dramatic," Selvi said. "To say 'you will be sacrificed in ICU because there are more elderly victims and you have less of a chance of making it', well that is an alarming situation."


Pressure on the intensive care capacity in Bergamo increased after 71 of the region's doctors, nurses and healthcare workers tested positive for the virus. Many of them now lie in crowded intensive care wards with oxygen helmets hooked up to respiration tube
s.

One exasperated anaesthesiologist revealed this week that the lack of available breathing machines and beds were already forcing doctors to make devastating decisions about who to save and who to let die, based on age and health conditions.

"We decide depending on their age and the condition of their health. That is not me saying that, but the medical procedure manuals," Christian Salaroli, 48, told Corriere della Sera, the Milan daily. "If a patient aged 80-95 has massive respiratory problems, plus organ failure, then its all over." Salaroli added that Lombardy's strained hospitals were also taking a devastating emotional toll on his colleagues. Experienced nurses are breaking down in tears and doctors with nerves of steel now trembling.

The government has scrambled to respond, striking an urgent deal with China to ship 30 tons of emergency equipment, including breathing machines, oxygen helmets and masks, which arrived in Rome on Friday from Shanghai, along with nine Chinese COVID-19 medical experts.

In Milan, plans are under way to transform - in a week's time - an unused trade fair pavilion into a dedicated COVID-19 field hospital with 600 ICU beds.


The new protocol for treating the elderly was produced by the civil protection department of the Piedmont region, one of those hardest hit, and was signed by Mario Raviolo, the director of the regional crisis unit.

The document, which sources said was expected to be applied throughout Italy, says: "The growth of the current epidemic makes it likely that a point of imbalance between the clinical needs of patients with COVID-19 and the effective availability of intensive resources will be reached.

"Should it become impossible to provide all patients with intensive care services, it will be necessary to apply criteria for access to intensive treatment, which depends on the limited resources available."

One doctor said: "[Who lives and who dies] is decided by age and by the [patient's] health conditions. This is how it is in a war."

The Telegraph, London

None of this is actually new, health authorities have followed this mantra for years, unfortunately it's the scale of people affected that is the thing. I'm sure we all know someone that didn't receive medical care or an operation due to their age. This is stone cold shit but it goes back to the start of time, sacrifice the weak so the strong can survive.
 
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An actual case of the weak saving the strong.

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