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The good thing about NZ is that you can get access to lots of cow dung & cow urine.:)

 
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The good thing about NZ is that you can get access to lots of cow dung & cow urine.:)



Humans as a species may be fucked, but no virus will get us it will be the fuckin nut jobs on the internet, I believe Bishop Brian can also save you if you join his church and give him all your money. I myself have recently decided that dressing like Frankenfurter from Rocky Horror and inserting various vegetables into your anus will also be 98% more effective in keeping you safe than simply doing one or the other of those techniques.

The sooner mother nature rids the planet of us the better.
 
bruce

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Are you in a position to stop going to work for an extended period of time to stop the spread, even if you have no symptoms, or maybe a sniffle? Because I can guarantee most of my staff aren't and we aren't in a position to pay out $40K a week in wages to have them stay at home while no money comes into the business and in the real world very few businesses are. Then take the tens of thousands we pay our suppliers every month out of their business and then them, to their suppliers how long will the economy last? Will we spread the load on health services then? How do the experts think peoples health will hold up if they can't afford food or shelter, are the banks going to say "don't worry about paying your mortgage, will IRD say don't worry about taxes, we'll run the country on hugs and compassion?
Flattening the curve sounds like a lovely idea but so does "World Peace" but unfortunately this isn't a Miss Universe pagent.
I was of that view, as I think many others were, because the economic consequences are frightening. However after listening to that post of the Italian doctor I got a different perspective. By shutting everything down they are going to save lives, no doubt, trouble is they might survive to be living in an economic wasteland...with all that entails.
 
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In the UK today, the ESL has been suspended until the first week in April, England cricket tour of Sri Lanka has been cancelled, Leeds v Catalans tomorrow is cancelled etc....I suspect we’ll all be told to work from home next week

I note some USA based conspiracy theorist knacker has been trying to sell antidotal toothpaste. People like this should be put in the stocks and kicked up the arse by all and sundry
 
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‘Greenberg said individual planning was underway with the New Zealand Warriors - due to kick-off their campaign at the Knights on Saturday - considering the government's advice that all non-essential travel be reconsidered’

Hmm... could the Warriors end up based in Aussie this season so as not to travel?
 
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Are you in a position to stop going to work for an extended period of time to stop the spread, even if you have no symptoms, or maybe a sniffle? Because I can guarantee most of my staff aren't and we aren't in a position to pay out $40K a week in wages to have them stay at home while no money comes into the business and in the real world very few businesses are. Then take the tens of thousands we pay our suppliers every month out of their business and then them, to their suppliers how long will the economy last? Will we spread the load on health services then? How do the experts think peoples health will hold up if they can't afford food or shelter, are the banks going to say "don't worry about paying your mortgage, will IRD say don't worry about taxes, we'll run the country on hugs and compassion?
Flattening the curve sounds like a lovely idea but so does "World Peace" but unfortunately this isn't a Miss Universe pagent.

I don't know what line of business you are in but your supply chain and customers are likely to be affected as much as you are. As this thing worsens a work place of 40 people could be classified as a large gathering. One thing for sure, Jacinda will provide some assistance for workers but as an employer there will be very little.
 
surfin

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Hmm... could the Warriors end up based in Aussie this season so as not to travel?

That can't work either, what player will want to leave their family in NZ for the season, where do they live or train? The cost of putting a team, coaches, managers, trainers and medical staff into accommodation let alone feeding them would be prohibitive. Then what about the actual travel and accommodation at game time, so that will never happen. That said it's not just the Warriors, apart from the Sydney teams all the other clubs that need plane rides or over night accommodation are in the same boat. The only option if they want to minimise any risk is suspend the season. I've used my own situation as an example but that's tiny compared to the NRL suspending business and the flow on effect that will cause.
Surely I'm not the only one thinking about the whole world wide affect all these travel bans and don't go to work advice would create. To answer a question, I'm involved in construction. The number of building materials that come out of China is huge, from screws to structural steel, already we have people coming to us to ask to buy some materials because Placemakers are telling them they have run out and don't know when they will get them again.
The government supporting workers is a also fiscally impossible, governments operate on taxes, business that can't operate or earn money don't pay taxes, businesses that can't operate on the right side of the ledger close. If businesses close they don't need staff so supporting people that don't go to work for a fortnight is pointless if their job ceases to exist while they are hiding under their bed. That said is 14 days the magic number, self isolate for that amount of time and you will never catch the virus. Seems easy, everyone in the world stocks up on two weeks food and we all stay at home, then at the end of it everyone continues as normal because no one has sneezed on anyone for two weeks. I'm sure power, waste water and fresh water suppliers could leave their plants unattended for a couple of weeks with no problems, livestock would be fine left to look after themselves, shit cows go into a dairy shed twice a day surely they know how to milk themselves by now. Waste collection should be ok for a couple of weeks, how much rubbish would be generated in that amount of time, with a bit of luck the seagulls and rats will eat everything, so little risk of disease there.
This virus exists, basing everything the whole world does around the fact that if no one comes in contact with anyone else means no one will contract it and die is born of a fantasy world and not reality.
 
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That can't work either, what player will want to leave their family in NZ for the season, where do they live or train? The cost of putting a team, coaches, managers, trainers and medical staff into accommodation let alone feeding them would be prohibitive. Then what about the actual travel and accommodation at game time, so that will never happen. That said it's not just the Warriors, apart from the Sydney teams all the other clubs that need plane rides or over night accommodation are in the same boat. The only option if they want to minimise any risk is suspend the season. I've used my own situation as an example but that's tiny compared to the NRL suspending business and the flow on effect that will cause.
Surely I'm not the only one thinking about the whole world wide affect all these travel bans and don't go to work advice would create. To answer a question, I'm involved in construction. The number of building materials that come out of China is huge, from screws to structural steel, already we have people coming to us to ask to buy some materials because Placemakers are telling them they have run out and don't know when they will get them again.
The government supporting workers is a also fiscally impossible, governments operate on taxes, business that can't operate or earn money don't pay taxes, businesses that can't operate on the right side of the ledger close. If businesses close they don't need staff so supporting people that don't go to work for a fortnight is pointless if their job ceases to exist while they are hiding under their bed. That said is 14 days the magic number, self isolate for that amount of time and you will never catch the virus. Seems easy, everyone in the world stocks up on two weeks food and we all stay at home, then at the end of it everyone continues as normal because no one has sneezed on anyone for two weeks. I'm sure power, waste water and fresh water suppliers could leave their plants unattended for a couple of weeks with no problems, livestock would be fine left to look after themselves, shit cows go into a dairy shed twice a day surely they know how to milk themselves by now. Waste collection should be ok for a couple of weeks, how much rubbish would be generated in that amount of time, with a bit of luck the seagulls and rats will eat everything, so little risk of disease there.
This virus exists, basing everything the whole world does around the fact that if no one comes in contact with anyone else means no one will contract it and die is born of a fantasy world and not reality.
China has almost cleared their country of this thing by isolating itself for 6 weeks. A short sharp shock then back to normal with stringent plans to stop it getting back in from oversees. 6 weeks of putting the good of society first is preferable to the carnage both health wise and economically if it drags on (or becomes a seasonal flu). Imagine trying to run your business long term if every winter 3-6% of your customers die.

Essential services keep running. It only takes single isolated people to do most productive jobs (farmers, rubbish collection, etc) and the supermarkets are kept open with safety systems in place.
 
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China has almost cleared their country of this thing by isolating itself for 6 weeks. A short sharp shock then back to normal with stringent plans to stop it getting back in from oversees. 6 weeks of putting the good of society first is preferable to the carnage both health wise and economically if it drags on (or becomes a seasonal flu). Imagine your business if every winter 3-6% of your customers die.

Essential services keep running. It only takes single isolated people to do most productive jobs (farmers, rubbish collection, etc) and the supermarkets are kept open with safety systems in place.

If there is not a medical cure, how can China possibly have "cleared the country of this thing". If there is a medical cure, whats the panic? A drop off in the number of cases being reported is not a clean bill of health. China also does not have a social welfare system like us, however 6 weeks of shutdown would be about the amount of time I would expect many people could carry on before food and money pressures would mean you are left with the option of completely running out of everything or choosing to go back to work, lose everything or accept staying at home won't work either.
I've asked before, are you in a position to receive no income for 6 weeks and come out the other side?
As for your last sentence that's exactly the type of misleading statement that causes much of this shit storm. Most of our customers are not individuals, although some are, to lose "3-6% of our customers every winter" 100% of the businesses and individuals we deal with would have to contract the virus. For 100% of the people we deal with to become sick that would probably require 100% of the people in NZ to contract the virus, as the people we deal with come from all over NZ and in some cases overseas. As for "every year" that would mean absolutely no break through with any form of treatment, that also means your very first sentence as also bullshit as "China has almost cleared their country of this thing" can not be accurate as a statement either. Has the death rate actually reached 6% yet or is that just something you threw out the to confirm how scary this is?
I would also say that the jobs you listed as being done by single isolated people is also incorrect, have you ever run a farm with a herd of 600 diary cows on your own, operated a rubbish collection truck on your own, how many people do you think it takes to operate a supermarket? One on the checkout, one in the butchery, one in charge of the deli, one doing fruit and veges, one stocking the shelves, one doing admin and banking, one storeman, unloading the trucks being driven by one bloke that packed and loaded the pallets that were also loaded by one person at the wholesaler, after 10 fields of potatoes were harvested by one person in Pukekohe. It can not be done.
 
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If there is not a medical cure, how can China possibly have "cleared the country of this thing". If there is a medical cure, whats the panic? A drop off in the number of cases being reported is not a clean bill of health. China also does not have a social welfare system like us, however 6 weeks of shutdown would be about the amount of time I would expect many people could carry on before food and money pressures would mean you are left with the option of completely running out of everything or choosing to go back to work, lose everything or accept staying at home won't work either.
I've asked before, are you in a position to receive no income for 6 weeks and come out the other side?
As for your last sentence that's exactly the type of misleading statement that causes much of this shit storm. Most of our customers are not individuals, although some are, to lose "3-6% of our customers every winter" 100% of the businesses and individuals we deal with would have to contract the virus. For 100% of the people we deal with to become sick that would probably require 100% of the people in NZ to contract the virus, as the people we deal with come from all over NZ and in some cases overseas. As for "every year" that would mean absolutely no break through with any form of treatment, that also means your very first sentence as also bullshit as "China has almost cleared their country of this thing" can not be accurate as a statement either. Has the death rate actually reached 6% yet or is that just something you threw out the to confirm how scary this is?
I would also say that the jobs you listed as being done by single isolated people is also incorrect, have you ever run a farm with a herd of 600 diary cows on your own, operated a rubbish collection truck on your own, how many people do you think it takes to operate a supermarket? One on the checkout, one in the butchery, one in charge of the deli, one doing fruit and veges, one stocking the shelves, one doing admin and banking, one storeman, unloading the trucks being driven by one bloke that packed and loaded the pallets that were also loaded by one person at the wholesaler, after 10 fields of potatoes were harvested by one person in Pukekohe. It can not be done.
Don’t panic man... China has shown with 6 weeks of isolation the virus cannot transmit to any new hosts and fizzles out.

I will survive 6 weeks of no income... people will cope
 
surfin

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Don’t panic man... China has shown with 6 weeks of isolation the virus cannot transmit to any new hosts and fizzles out.

How many minutes in the lab did you spend proving that research?

Oddly I didn't think I was one of those panicking, I haven't got a house full of toilet paper and I'm comfortable being in a room with more than one person at a time. I've also just said goodbye to 3 foreigners that spent most of the week at my house, shock horror two came from the UK and one lives in Thailand. As I'm sure you'd be concerned about my well being I can confirm as yet I have not died.
 
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How many minutes in the lab did you spend proving that research?

Oddly I didn't think I was one of those panicking, I haven't got a house full of toilet paper and I'm comfortable being in a room with more than one person at a time. I've also just said goodbye to 3 foreigners that spent most of the week at my house, shock horror two came from the UK and one lives in Thailand. As I'm sure you'd be concerned about my well being I can confirm as yet I have not died.
funny i was pretty sure you died when cleary left. then again i thought you died again when they picked SK. Are you sure your not dead already?
 
bruce

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Interesting article...Surfin, Boris and Merkel versus the rest of Europe


Italy is no outlier, it's a frontrunner. These nations are set to follow

It has long been tradition for an elite group of flower growers to sweep through the fields of the Netherlands in early April. Their colourful haul is blessed by the Bishop of Rotterdam before being shipped to the Vatican, where it is carefully arranged to frame the Pope during Easter Sunday Mass.

Chief designer Paul Deckers has been part of the ritual since 1988. But not this year. His plans are in ruins as the coronavirus pandemic radiates across Europe.

"Given the developments and the measures which have been taken in Italy we decided not to take any risks," Deckers says. He doesn't think the event in St Peter's Square will even go ahead.

As COVID-19 spreads across the continent, other decisions of much greater consequence loom. Some are matters of actual life or death. Doctors in Italy this week published guidelines warning that patients over a certain age might have to be left to die so that scarce intensive care beds can be given to younger people with a better chance of survival.

"Resources may have to be used first for those with a higher probability of survival and, secondly, who has the most years of life left, and offer the maximum number of benefits to the majority of people," the advice warned.

The scale and impact of the Italian outbreak has stunned the world. The country has been shut down under emergency measures not seen since World War II. Its economy has been paralysed. Anyone who goes outside is being stopped by police or the military and asked to produce evidence about why they are there. Total infections have now surpassed 15,000 and more than than 1000 people have died in a fortnight.



Many European leaders mistakenly believed the situation could be contained. But something snapped this week and what is now abundantly clear is that Italy is no outlier - it is merely a frontrunner.

On current trajectories Germany, France, Spain, Britain, Sweden, Belgium, Norway and Switzerland will all soon record the same high number of infections as Italy. In Belgium, Switzerland, the Netherlands, France, Australia, Sweden, Greece, Spain and Britain, the total number of cases has been roughly doubling every two days as community transmission takes hold.







Most of the worst-affected European nations are now about 10 days away from catching up to Italy's current position, but some have been gifted as many as three to four weeks to prepare for the deluge.

Leaders are now grappling with how to use that time. School and university closures have been popular, so too bans on mass gatherings. Some countries - such as the Czech Republic - have banned flights from certain parts of Europe, and Austria isn't letting people from Italy over the border without a doctor's certificate. In Belgium, all restaurants, bars and gyms have been ordered to close.



Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar on Thursday banned all indoor gatherings of 100 or more people. Even St Patrick's Day parades have been axed.

"It’s going to involve big changes in the way we live our lives," Varadkar said. "And I know I’m asking people to make enormous sacrifices. But we’re doing it for each other."







One country isn't following the crowd, however. As the rest of Europe gradually switches off its economy and large parts of society, the British government has resisted enacting any so-called social distancing measures. If anything, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has condemned them as counter-productive.

Johnson calls the virus the "worst public health crisis for a generation" and admits it will spread to all corners of Britain. But armed with reams of modelling and relying heavily on the advice of his chief medical and science officers, he is holding his nerve on when to clamp down.

The plan is to essentially wait until the crisis worsens before implementing social distancing. Officials believe the peak of the emergency is still up to 14 weeks away and say behavioural science modelling shows the public will get sick of draconian measures if they are implemented too early.


"If you start too early and then people's enthusiasm [to comply with the measures] runs out just at the peak, which is exactly the time we want people to be complying with these interventions, that is actually not a productive way to do it," says England's chief medical officer Chris Whitty.


For now, the British government is urging all people with flu-like symptoms to stay at home for seven days and if possible, away from family members. Most will not be offered testing for coronavirus.

Britain's chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance says asking people with mild symptoms to self-isolate could reduce the peak of the pandemic by 20 to 25 per cent, and asking whole households to self-isolate could achieve a further reduction of 25 per cent. On top of that, eventually limiting the general population's access to the elderly and people with pre-existing medical conditions could lower the eventual death rate by 20 to 30 per cent.

"Those are the three most important measures to take," Vallance told reporters in Downing Street. "It doesn't mean other things don't have additional effects as well, but those are the ones which have the biggest effect and therefore they need to come in first."



He also says closing schools would have minimal impact and classes would have to be suspended for up to four months to make any material difference to the rate of spread.







In a line graph form, Italy's outbreak will ultimately resemble an upside down capital 'U'. This curve means the pandemic may pass more quickly but the impact on the health system of such a massive short-term caseload is severe.

The British government says its strategy will flatten that curve and spread out the infections out over a longer period - Johnson calls it "squashing the sombrero". The social distancing measures put in place by other countries should achieve the same effect but Britain's plan is using different techniques to achieve it.


Not everyone is convinced. Former British health secretary Jeremy Hunt - Johnson's opponent in last year's Conservative leadership contest - says he is "concerned" only four weeks remain before Britain finds itself in the same situation as Italy and "what we do every single day of those four weeks is absolutely critical".

"The point of taking drastic measures is to slow the onslaught on the National Health Service. If five per cent of the population gets the virus and five per cent of those people need an intensive care bed, that's over 150,000 people who will need intensive care and we only have 4000 beds."







But Johnson is holding firm and even took a swipe at other countries for a need to "be seen to act" which means they "may do things that are not necessarily dictated by the science".

The contrast with the rest of Europe couldn't be sharper - and the stakes could not be higher if Johnson and his team have gambled on the wrong strategy.
 
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