bruce

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Ok, what is Italy's population, what was the age group, economic standing and access to medical help of those that died. People will die I get it, but putting people into a blind panic without giving any more information about who, what and where is more dangerous.
Italy has a population of over 60 million, so if you want pointless statistics here's one. Over 60 million people in Italy didn't die from coronavirus yesterday.
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The scary thing for me now is access to ventilators. Of course they don't have enough, and Italy has a better health system than ours apparently.

On the news tonight they were saying anybody over 65 (I think that was the age) is not being given ventilation so are basically being left to die of pneumonia. That would be why the toll is higher than China and it was obvious there a lot of the people were dying in the streets and on the wards.

Our government would be well aware of this but it sounds like the Australians will be ruling the roost down here anyway. I think we might have wasted our season tickets guys.

I wonder if my health insurance is worth a bloody thing?

The good news is that it will pass, maybe by this time next year, when the world might be broke and in the middle of a war.
 
Miket12

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The scary thing for me now is access to ventilators. Of course they don't have enough, and Italy has a better health system than ours apparently.
Perhaps the idea should be to get sick right the start and get on to a ventilator now to avoid the rush later.
 
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Perhaps the idea should be to get sick right the start and get on to a ventilator now to avoid the rush later.
My guess is this will be a tough scene. They will do what they did in Italy and set an age limit. Not much else they can do.
 
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Italian ICU Professor median age of those in intensive care is 65
There is also a 20 something in ICU

In Italy they have been swamped.. Not enough ICU beds avaiable
I hope hospitals in NZ are ready in case the virus breaks out. That could happen in the colder winter.

Start taking ZINC Vitimins .. Zinc builds your immune System and has been shown to help prevent serious Pneumonia


 
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Italian ICU Professor median age of those in intensive care is 65
There is also a 20 something in ICU

In Italy they have been swamped.. Not enough ICU beds avaiable
I hope hospitals in NZ are ready in case the virus breaks out. That could happen in the colder winter.

Start taking ZINC Vitimins .. Zinc builds your immune System and has been shown to help prevent serious Pneumonia



What an excellent explanation. As many questions as answers though.
 
Beastmode

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When you have superstars, athletes and high ranked govt officials with this virus you know it’s already REALLY bad.

Brace yourself boys.

Winter is coming.
 
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When you have superstars, athletes and high ranked govt officials with this virus you know it’s already REALLY bad.

Brace yourself boys.

Winter is coming.
The shite has yet to hit the fan. This could lead to global financial meltdown and war unless it blows over.
 
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When you have superstars, athletes and high ranked govt officials with this virus you know it’s already REALLY bad.

That line sums up the whole virus panic, in all the previous outbreaks of things that kill people Ebola, SARS, bird flu etc, they had the good manners to only kill large numbers of people in Asia and Africa, rich white people like movie stars and Prime Ministers wives apparently weren't at risk. Shit got serious when the untouchable became within reach of being touched.

I still think the economic repercussions will kill more than the virus, which has been my view from the start.
 
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That line sums up the whole virus panic, in all the previous outbreaks of things that kill people Ebola, SARS, bird flu etc, they had the good manners to only kill large numbers of people in Asia and Africa, rich white people like movie stars and Prime Ministers wives apparently weren't at risk. Shit got serious when the untouchable became within reach of being touched.

I still think the economic repercussions will kill more than the virus, which has been my view from the start.
i guess time will tell, But the obvious take away at the moment is that this thing is super contagious and is moving incredibly quickly through the population.
 
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That line sums up the whole virus panic, in all the previous outbreaks of things that kill people Ebola, SARS, bird flu etc, they had the good manners to only kill large numbers of people in Asia and Africa, rich white people like movie stars and Prime Ministers wives apparently weren't at risk. Shit got serious when the untouchable became within reach of being touched.

I still think the economic repercussions will kill more than the virus, which has been my view from the start.

I’m a very rational person, but if the untouchables are catching it, then yes, it’s time to worry...

and shit, I’m running low on toilet paper (excuse the pun)
 
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I’m a very rational person, but if the untouchables are catching it, then yes, it’s time to worry...

and shit, I’m running low on toilet paper (excuse the pun)

I don't doubt bad shit is happening, but I struggle to see how shutting everything down is the answer, my company has over forty staff, every day those forty staff have multiple contacts with large numbers of people, not counting partners, kids etc that also have contacts with completely different groups of people. The only way to stop those contacts is nobody leaves their house until everyone that contracts it either dies or recovers and the virus ceases to exist. I'm pretty sure anyone with a brain knows that can't happen, so the only real option is be sensible with your personal hygiene, diet etc and carry on with your life. Otherwise build your toilet paper fort and wait until everyone else is dead, remembering that to kill a zombie in the apocalypse that will follow you need to destroy their brain so keep that chainsaw or machete handy.
 
Fearmuss

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I don't doubt bad shit is happening, but I struggle to see how shutting everything down is the answer, my company has over forty staff, every day those forty staff have multiple contacts with large numbers of people, not counting partners, kids etc that also have contacts with completely different groups of people. The only way to stop those contacts is nobody leaves their house until everyone that contracts it either dies or recovers and the virus ceases to exist. I'm pretty sure anyone with a brain knows that can't happen, so the only real option is be sensible with your personal hygiene, diet etc and carry on with your life. Otherwise build your toilet paper fort and wait until everyone else is dead, remembering that to kill a zombie in the apocalypse that will follow you need to destroy their brain so keep that chainsaw or machete handy.

From what I’ve read the reason is to ‘flatten the curve’: essentially use isolation to slow down the spread of the virus so our hospitals can handle the load spreading it out over time.
 
surfin

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From what I’ve read the reason is to ‘flatten the curve’: essentially use isolation to slow down the spread of the virus so our hospitals can handle the load spreading it out over time.

Are you in a position to stop going to work for an extended period of time to stop the spread, even if you have no symptoms, or maybe a sniffle? Because I can guarantee most of my staff aren't and we aren't in a position to pay out $40K a week in wages to have them stay at home while no money comes into the business and in the real world very few businesses are. Then take the tens of thousands we pay our suppliers every month out of their business and then them, to their suppliers how long will the economy last? Will we spread the load on health services then? How do the experts think peoples health will hold up if they can't afford food or shelter, are the banks going to say "don't worry about paying your mortgage, will IRD say don't worry about taxes, we'll run the country on hugs and compassion?
Flattening the curve sounds like a lovely idea but so does "World Peace" but unfortunately this isn't a Miss Universe pagent.
 
BiggerD

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So Peter Dutton has this: either he has the most shit luck or this is far more prevalent and there is massive community transmission.
I am just wondering how many other Aussie Politicians will have it then.
That will affect Aussie stockmarket on Monday knowing that some ministers in Parliament have it

I am based in Aussie (Sydney) & its scary catching public transport to work & back
I am taking Zinc vitamins to boost immunity and eating more greens & avoiding takeaways
I have high blood pressure which I take pills for , but it puts me in a risk category for it.

Reading headlines like this quoted by experts freak me out .


I think NZ is in a good spot.. close the borders.
It will affect the economy but this is a WAR against a virus.

Remember what killed the Martians in "War of the Worlds" exactly :nailbiting:
 
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Are you in a position to stop going to work for an extended period of time to stop the spread, even if you have no symptoms, or maybe a sniffle? Because I can guarantee most of my staff aren't and we aren't in a position to pay out $40K a week in wages to have them stay at home while no money comes into the business and in the real world very few businesses are. Then take the tens of thousands we pay our suppliers every month out of their business and then them, to their suppliers how long will the economy last? Will we spread the load on health services then? How do the experts think peoples health will hold up if they can't afford food or shelter, are the banks going to say "don't worry about paying your mortgage, will IRD say don't worry about taxes, we'll run the country on hugs and compassion?
Flattening the curve sounds like a lovely idea but so does "World Peace" but unfortunately this isn't a Miss Universe pagent.


I don’t think it’s rational or realistic to try and shut everything down

But if we can minimise the spread so our public healthcare doesn’t break down from an inundated amount of cases then I think we have a responsibility to consider this

Sports, music events where +20k people congregate should be suspended until we have more information about this virus and how it spreads

Schools shutting down is a massive drain on resources but countries are doing it. It’s that serious.
 

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