General Club Culture Part 4: The Kearney Era

bruce

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Every Islander I've ever asked at work have all said the same thing. One Samoan even said "too many Tongans." lol. But I knew what he meant.

But it's not being an Islander that's the problem. Because then how do you explain Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.

It's the shit in the brains of the player that's the problem. And maybe Islanders have a higher percentage of players with shit in their brains than Kiwi's and Aussies. I don't know. It's possibility.

Maybe White people have higher IQ's on average than Islanders. Oh shit, that's another banning.

But if IQ was the only key to winning all the teams would be stacked with Chinese players.

That's why I think it's the Will to Win that makes the biggest difference. If a player isn't ready to suffer for victory, the guy who will suffer more will claim the glory.
Islanders do not have low IQs, fact. They are of East Asian descent. East Asians have higher IQs, fact. I have met quite a few Tongans and there is not one I could call "thick", not one.

What they do have is a cultural collectiveness, so that when one is down, the rest seem to slow down in sympathy. Caucasian culture on the other hand is more individualistic. If you cannot keep up, stiff shite.

I have known league people, who are not racist by any means, say many times that Islanders cannot be the majority in a team because their culture wins out. As for Samoans saying there are too many Tongans, I couldn't possibly comment.
 
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jonno

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Islanders do not have low IQs, fact. They are of East Asian descent. East Asians have higher IQs, fact. I have met quite a few Tongans and there is not one I could call "thick", not one.

What they do have is a cultural collectiveness, so that when one is down, the rest seem to slow down in sympathy. Caucasian culture on the other hand is more individualistic. If you cannot keep up, stiff shite.

I have known league people, who are not racist by any means, say many times that Islanders cannot be the majority in a team because their culture wins out. As for Samoans saying there are too many Tongans, I couldn't possibly comment.
Tonga and Samoa have average IQ's under 90. NZ is currently 98 average.

I don't care anymore. Let's just deal with reality, so we can improve our odds of winning.

Sure there are Tongans and Samoans with IQ's over 140. Just like there are some English IQ's under 60. It's rare but it happens.

All that matters is how smart or dumb our current squad members are. We have to know so we can come up with a game plan that they will excel at.

Cause if they are all under 80 and we hit them with advanced calculus, they're not winning jack shit.
 
Hardyman's Yugo

Hardyman's Yugo

All this talk of IQ levels reminds me of the joke about the Irishman who emigrated to Australia and raised the average IQ level in both countries
 
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bruce

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It isn't IQ guys, it is ticker. Dane Gagai probably has an IQ well below 90 but look how he plays.
 
Bluecat again

Bluecat again

Are we losers?
16 teams and half of them go on to make the finals series. Making the finals is taken as a successful year at the Warriors
To make the final 8 a team has to average 51%. That is they have to be just a fraction above average to make the 8
We have made the 8 eight times in 24 years. We have been average or better 1/3rd of the time.
Or below average 2/3rds of our existence
We get excited when a kid who might be able to pass gets promoted to first grade centre and when a reject half comes here. Any half with first grade experience is a win for us
We have a tradition of hiring unskilled or failed coaches because that is all we can get
And of hiring good players that are past their prime. And journeymen. Again because that is all we can get. Apart from raw local kids that we keep firing in to first grade
And things don’t look like changing anytime soon. Our coach and our worn out hooker got contract extensions
I don’t know
Are we losers?
 
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jonno

jonno

It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

Losers play the game differently to winners. Always have, always will.
 
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Sky Waka

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As a bunch of f%#king losers go it could be worse, they not the Ferrari formula 1 team. If you don't know they're supposed to be winning and not just this year.
 
Worried2Death

Worried2Death

Sure they're a bunch of losers, until they win something, then they won't be. If you live vicariously through them like I do then you have to accept you're a loser too, I know I am. Until we win something, then I won't be.

There's a lot of tension on this forum at the moment, its like a silent weekend with my wife when she's getting her period, only worse because I willingly come here to be tortured.
 
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Sledge

Sledge

The 98 average is probably because of all the Chinese living here now. It used to be 90.
Yet I live in Howick and they still drive around roundabouts the wrong way, crawl up the road doing 30kms with big visors over their eyes, walk slowly around the shopping malls in a big line so no one can get past while talking at the top of their lungs to each other, I watched my neighbour yesterday try to mow his lawn on the lowest setting while his grass was about half a metre high (he does this every 4 months). Every time he pushed the lawnmower over a spot the mower cut out, time after time yet he kept on doing it for about half an hour till the lawn was done!! Needless to say I pissed myself laughing for half an hour that day, ahhh good times, good times. Every race has its share of dumb fucks.
 
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sunburywarrior

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Losers: Someone who fucks up their lives and everyone elses.

son: "wow dad your team really do know how to lose"
dad: " Yes son Fuck my life as a Warriors Fan"
 
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FuNQie

FuNQie

It seems confidence\arrogance is second nature to Aussies, they deserve to be there they deserve to be winners and they go out there and grab their opportunity with both hands and will push you out of the way to get it. They do it for themselves and their mates

Kiwis are more likely to come from a background/culture where you get led by your Elders and betters who have a dominant position in the family/society. So you are less likely to think you deserve something. BUT you will do anything to defend and protect the family and your way of life.

So how do we make playing for the warriors feel like we are fighting for our pride, our parents our family our tribe and get them up again the next week to do it again?

The AB's do it, Tonga do it, both for shorter periods of time but they do it.
Graeme Lowe can make you want to grow another leg and play for him, why not SK?

I kinds just wrote down a bunch of crap from my head, not sure I even believe it but it rings true and given the amount of kaka posts I been readiing lately (yeah u know who u are) thought I may as well go ahead and post it.
That’s a brilliant post, Tragic.

Adding my take on it.....yes, there are definitely some cultural issues involved. Plus the fact that there is only one NRL team in NZ and in Auckland. In Sydney there are several teams all competing with one another, while up and down the eastern seaboard of Australia there are more, all in Australia. It’s a competition - there.

But the cultural issues. In Australia...before I emigrated from the UK 20 years ago I heard about the Aussie saying “she’ll be right”, meaning don’t stress about it, it’ll work out alright. But I never actually heard it in Oz. And Australian sportsmen (and women) definitely don’t compete with that in mind. And here it gets to be my opinion and some would say opinionated, so apologies if I offend anyone. From my limited experience and knowledge of Maori and Islander cultures, it’s almost as if that saying, “she’ll be right,” is one of their own. There’s far less of a desire to be precise about things, to achieve. More a kick back and enjoy what is, how it is. Where’s the food. Which is great, for life generally. Far too many people in western culture are far too precise and far too concerned to do things absolutely right. It’s a trait of, for example, German people, and it’s made them excellent sportspeople and fighters and manufacturers and so on.

Where the kind of culture I’ve described starts to dominate in the side, then yes, as Tragic has explained, it’s a major problem for the Warriors. We’re the best side in the NRL when we’re scoring madly, Warriorball-style, and the boys are loving it. But when the tables are turned, something goes wrong, we miss a couple of tackles and a 50/50 call goes against us (again), the boys just kind of shut down, accept what is and hope the final whistle isn’t too far away.

How to instil a relentless determination to win in a team with many players who just switch out and accept what is (another loss, because it was great while it lasted, but now it’s too hard) is the problem we face. (Obviously)

IMO, to achieve a culture change in the side,

A. We need almost a complete change of the coaching staff. Whoever is coach has to be someone who isn’t afraid of giving players who don’t perform what for. Loyalty to under-performing players is tantamount to rewarding under-performance.

B. We need a mix of different cultural backgrounds in the side. The current plan is to have mainly Kiwi-born players, of whatever background. But that just does not work. If the Warriors were a union side, fine, there’d still be a mix of cultures and there could then be a string competitive spirit. But there are so few Pakeha league players that it won’t work for us.

C. No more retirement package contracts. This isn’t always the case, eg. Steve Price, but generally it is, that those close to retirement lose that competitive edge. A combination of this innate slackening of desire to win with the majority of the team’s cultural acceptance (when things go wrong) of whatever is just won’t produce results.

And that’s it. Apologies for the length of this post. ;) And apologies if I’ve upset anyone’s sensibilities...
 
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FuNQie

FuNQie

Obviously we are losers which is why we support this shit house team. If we were woman we would be married to some douche who beat us.

On a more serious note does everyone get the add about meet mature single so on here with a picture of Simon mannering in drag in a leather dress. I only asks because I have been known to post inappropriate content from time to time and I’m just not sure if the powers that be are taking the puss with me.
Hahahahaha

No. But then internet ads use cookies so that we get ads based on what we’ve looked at elsewhere. Therefore...............

🤣🤣🤣
 
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jonno

jonno

I think there are two major factors to why our team is always shit.

One is the cultural factor, between Australian culture and the rest of the world.
The other is the feeling good after a loss factor.

Culturally Australians hate anyone who acts like they are superior. This goes for their commentators, and for their refs as well. All of them are united in this. It comes from their prison colony history. Not a lot of toffs were stuck on those disease ridden, shit soaked, prison ships and carted off to the other side of the planet to live on a massive desert Island. So now they have a culture of brutal mockery towards anyone who thinks they are better than anyone else. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. So when you are playing in the Australian Rugby League contest, don't act like your better than anyone. It's like going to Tonga can calling them all a bunch of coconuts.. The Aussies will hate you for it, and the refs will hate you for it too. And I don't blame them.

Then there's the feeling good after a loss buzz. Psychologically we are wired to chase good feelings and avoid bad feelings. So when our coaching staff let the players feel good after losing, the brain doesn't drive them to solve the problems that caused the loss. But when they are made to feel bad after a loss, they are naturally motivated to find ways of avoiding feeling bad next time. You also have to make them feel real nice after a win to get maximum effect.

In short, when this team really hates losing and really loves winning, and they stop believing they are better than everyone else just because their mums think they are, then they'll be alright by me.
 
Sledge

Sledge

I think there are two major factors to why our team is always shit.

One is the cultural factor, between Australian culture and the rest of the world.
The other is the feeling good after a loss factor.

Culturally Australians hate anyone who acts like they are superior. This goes for their commentators, and for their refs as well. All of them are united in this. It comes from their prison colony history. Not a lot of toffs were stuck on those disease ridden, shit soaked, prison ships and carted off to the other side of the planet to live on a massive desert Island. So now they have a culture of brutal mockery towards anyone who thinks they are better than anyone else. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. So when you are playing in the Australian Rugby League contest, don't act like your better than anyone. It's like going to Tonga can calling them all a bunch of coconuts.. The Aussies will hate you for it, and the refs will hate you for it too. And I don't blame them.

Then there's the feeling good after a loss buzz. Psychologically we are wired to chase good feelings and avoid bad feelings. So when our coaching staff let the players feel good after losing, the brain doesn't drive them to solve the problems that caused the loss. But when they are made to feel bad after a loss, they are naturally motivated to find ways of avoiding feeling bad next time. You also have to make them feel real nice after a win to get maximum effect.

In short, when this team really hates losing and really loves winning, and they stop believing they are better than everyone else just because their mums think they are, then they'll be alright by me.
I don’t agree with the last part, my son plays softball and it’s always been encourage from the good coaches that even after a loss you shake hands and wind down after a loss, you don’t dwell on the loss then and there as that’s for the mid week assessment. They played a team last year they beat and that team packed a sad after and just looked like a bunch of knobs. I’m sure the players are gutted with the loss but to drop their lip and sulk would make them look like a bunch of bad losers.
 
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jonno

jonno

I don’t agree with the last part, my son plays softball and it’s always been encourage from the good coaches that even after a loss you shake hands and wind down after a loss, you don’t dwell on the loss then and there as that’s for the mid week assessment. They played a team last year they beat and that team packed a sad after and just looked like a bunch of knobs. I’m sure the players are gutted with the loss but to drop their lip and sulk would make them look like a bunch of bad losers.
I agree. Packing a sad isn't the way to go. Pay your respects to the winners and keep yourself together.

But don't walk off laughing about it. Just be quietly gutted. That's all it takes to tune up your emotions for winning.
 
jonno

jonno

After last nights game it's only fair to change the name of the thread from Are The Warriors A Team Of Losers, to Will The Warriors Keep Winning.

I've also changed my vote from -2 to +1.

I saw a massive improvement in the game vs the Dragons, but there's still some evidence that they aren't doing all they could be to win. So I'm still looking for a lot more improvement before I'll give them a +4 or +5 vote.


Here's the poll from before the game. I expect to see it steadily rise over the next few months.
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ArtySubs

ArtySubs

But the Will to Win isn't there with his dummy half skills or lack there of. He could learn his trade and be much better at controlling a game from the ruck, but he's content to just be as good as he is.
He’s a 13 that’s it or else he’ll be another Kenny Brom.
Love the guys energy but yeah a 9 he is not.
 
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