General Club Culture Part 4: The Kearney Era

[Christofolos]

But today he's 44th in driving distance. And he still won the masters.

And in his prime he was winning majors by 15 shots. No amount of physical talent can do that. That's the top two inches.

You play golf? I do. Yes he has a top shelf mental attitude and that is part of the package, but in golf putting and chipping win you tournaments consistently, not driving
I get the point you guys are making and agree to an extent, but saying these athletes have a lower skill level than others and win solely on application is taking it too far to the other extreme. They need both sides of the equation to get where they got.
It doesn’t matter how hard you work if you don’t have the skill set, talent, to compete at that level you won’t make it. The reverse also applies, as you guys say, all the talent in the world won’t get you to the top of your chosen field if you are not willing to put in the hard yards
Cam smith is average size for a hooker, some smaller than him some bigger, and the thing that sets him apart is his ability to read and manage a game (and cheat well lol) but he certainly also have to be mentally and physically strong, which is the point you guys are making, and I agree. But no point being able to say “40/20 right now” if you don’t have the ability to do so. “I need a bullet cut out pass to get around there defence” . Same applies, the mentality and hard work, the attitude you guys are talking about, needs to be there to realise these things, but you still need the ability to perform the act, otherwise you would be better off coaching

 

[jonno]

I would like to add two cents to the topic.

I am somewhat of an academic expert on "winners" and "losers". My father was a life insurance man. It is a very tough business involving cold calling to get interviews and then making a presentation to sell a policy while the wife tells the husband not to buy because they need a new TV.

Virtually all of these salesmen pump themselves up on "go get em" "you can do anything you set your mind to" "rah rah" "science of winning" literature, books, cassettes, CDs. DVDs, etc - unless you jack yourself up when you get home at night for an hour you will get despondent and clients will hear it in your voice and then you will never make a sale.

My Dad was so bought into it that he made me read all this material when I young because he genuinely thought it would help me,
I read about the science of winning. What is loser mentality. Why winners attract success to them etc.
The end effect was I became arrogant and sometimes became unglued in social settings so I wisely gave up those books. Nonetheless I have always remembered the material and hence I consider myself an expert on the topic.

Most of the Warriors are not losers they are just idiots. E.g. we all remember the Penrith game last year which we lost despite them not having Cleary, Maloney, and some other SOO forward. Adam Blair came to the "insightful" realisation after the game that the guys took the game for granted and assumed they just had to turn up to win.
This makes them idiots. I have never forgotten that Adam Blair interview. And then I think it happened again against the lowly Titans and they admitted they hadn't taken them seriously either. Idiots.

There is one player on the team who truly is a "loser" however according to the definitions of the literature I have read. That is Hiku. If you watch him he keeps making strange choices that lead to negative outcomes for the team. Whatever he applies his mind to and decides turns out to be the wrong answer.
Some examples:
1) Last year against Penrith - he thought he couldn't catch a guy who made a line break so he started walking after him, then the guy slowed considerably because Roger Tuivasa-Sheck confronted him and unloaded to a support player for a try, All the commentators noted that if Hiku had not given up he could have caught up easily and helped defuse the try. Only someone with failure consciousness would make a decision like that. He attracted failure to himself.
2) On the weekend Chanel Harris-Tavita threw a ball slighty and I mean slightly in front of him and he chose not to try to catch it and it went into touch instead. Perhaps he thought it was meant for the winger and he felt he should leave it alone, but it was the wrong decision and it killed our momentum at the time. Any other player in the world would have just accepted the pass. But not Hiku. He again made a strange decision that resulted in a set back for the team.

Whenever he steps on the field he will do something stupid or make an errant decision. This is because he is a loser. This is not me hating on him. He legitimately needs a sports psychologist to work with him. The Black caps players work with a psychologist, so do the All Blacks but to the best of my knowledge it hasn't caught on in league due to negative stigma associated with seeing psychologists.

That's a really interesting post.

About the rah rah, go get em, win at all costs, sales stuff. I think morality is just as important as optimism for a sales rep. Everyone loves to buy something that they can trust, off someone who is also trustable. I don't need a salesman to force me to spend my money. I'm constantly thinking of things I can spend my money on. But the one thing that holds me back is the fear of buying a dud product. So when I'm dealing with a sales guru who is also ethical, I'm a lot more comfortable parting with my hard earned cash. I'd put morality up ahead of optimism in terms of success in sales. Repeat sales are way eaiser to earn, and keep paying you for years if your product is good.

As for Hiku, he's as dumb as a post. With his talent he could be earning good money. But instead he's wasting his career on fuck all, being a useless cu**.

 

[jonno]

You play golf? I do. Yes he has a top shelf mental attitude and that is part of the package, but in golf putting and chipping win you tournaments consistently, not driving
I get the point you guys are making and agree to an extent, but saying these athletes have a lower skill level than others and win solely on application is taking it too far to the other extreme. They need both sides of the equation to get where they got.
It doesn’t matter how hard you work if you don’t have the skill set, talent, to compete at that level you won’t make it. The reverse also applies, as you guys say, all the talent in the world won’t get you to the top of your chosen field if you are not willing to put in the hard yards
Cam smith is average size for a hooker, some smaller than him some bigger, and the thing that sets him apart is his ability to read and manage a game (and cheat well lol) but he certainly also have to be mentally and physically strong, which is the point you guys are making, and I agree. But no point being able to say “40/20 right now” if you don’t have the ability to do so. “I need a bullet cut out pass to get around there defence” . Same applies, the mentality and hard work, the attitude you guys are talking about, needs to be there to realise these things, but you still need the ability to perform the act, otherwise you would be better off coaching

Not wanting to blow my own trumpet, but I could probably putt and chip as well as Tiger Woods, if I put in as much time and effort as he has. I'm talking about starting at 3 years old, and going 1000% golf with his old man from then right through to the big time. He was basically a full time after school golfer his whole childhood. That's why he's the best ever. His mind was trained from 3 years old to compete at the highest levels of pressure as well. That's why he can do it better. It's not talent. It's fuck loads of work.

And it's an iron will to win. When he was young on the tour he was a cu** of human. But he did that not to be a cu**, but so that he could win. Whatever it took. Now that he's older and knows more he can be a nice guy and win. But he's still doing what he has to to win. Unlike a certain footy club who's name I won't mention in this post.

 

[bruce]

Not wanting to blow my own trumpet, but I could probably putt and chip as well as Tiger Woods, if I put in as much time and effort as he has.

I doubt it Jonno, honestly. The stoke difference between the top 20 players on the USPGA Tour is less than half a shot per round. All those guys are exceptionally gifted and skilled. The top 2 inches is what makes the difference, which in my book just goes to show how skilled Michael Campbell was, and also how skilled some of our lazy pricks are as well, Bully would be at the top of that list.

 

[jonno]

I doubt it Jonno, honestly. The stoke difference between the top 20 players on the USPGA Tour is less than half a shot per round. All those guys are exceptionally gifted and skilled. The top 2 inches is what makes the difference, which in my book just goes to show how skilled Michael Campbell was, and also how skilled some of our lazy pricks are as well, Bully would be at the top of that list.

Very little of putting and chipping is physical talent in golf. It's all about visualization and having good enough balance to read the breaks on the greens accurately. And eyesight that can detect distance well of course, and a good memory for how hard to hit the ball with chipping. All of which I have.

Hitting the ball 320 down the middle under pressure is another story all together. Only 5% of the population can do that. Everyone else just has to settle for the lay up.

Of course you have to have the right talent to play a sport. But whether you make it to the top, and beat everyone else who also has the right talent, or stay in the middle of the pack, is all about the upstairs factor. Like Gary Player says, the swing is not the thing. I'll take his word, seeing as he's 82 and has won 9 majors.

 

[Deranged]

Obviously we are losers which is why we support this shit house team. If we were woman we would be married to some douche who beat us.

On a more serious note does everyone get the add about meet mature single so on here with a picture of Simon mannering in drag in a leather dress. I only asks because I have been known to post inappropriate content from time to time and I’m just not sure if the powers that be are taking the puss with me.

 

[bruce]

Very little of putting and chipping is physical talent in golf. It's all about visualization and having good enough balance to read the breaks on the greens accurately. And eyesight that can detect distance well of course, and a good memory for how hard to hit the ball with chipping. All of which I have.

Hitting the ball 320 down the middle under pressure is another story all together. Only 5% of the population can do that. Everyone else just has to settle for the lay up.

Of course you have to have the right talent to play a sport. But whether you make it to the top, and beat everyone else who also has the right talent, or stay in the middle of the pack, is all about the upstairs factor. Like Gary Player says, the swing is not the thing. I'll take his word, seeing as he's 82 and has won 9 majors.

If you are thinking of replacing Frank Nobilo on the golf channel, don't give up your day job. Stay here.

 

[Bushman]

Rewatching the game i would have to have Tohu Harris as my (warriors) man of the match followed closely by papalii, both among others that tried really hard rewatching the game.
Oh and blairs second( i think) penalty was bs, his leg was actually/intentionally caught.
How James gavet didn't get sent off or at least penalty is bs too.
Stepped up against his old club.
Passi kepted getting hounded by ref first halve too, someone at the game was he slow getting back, or being targeted by the ref?
*Edit put this in the wrong thread my bad.

 

[jonno]

Are the Warriors under pressure? This video doesn't show them under any pressure, even tho they are failing badly on many levels.

NRL: Roger Tuivasa-Sheck confident Warriors can turn around fortunes

Skipper Roger Tuivasa-Sheck believes they're close to a change in fortunes.

www.newshub.co.nz

I'd rather hear them say that there is always bit of pressure in the NRL, and they are handling it well. But that's just me.

 

[jonno]

Obviously we are losers which is why we support this shit house team. If we were woman we would be married to some douche who beat us.

On a more serious note does everyone get the add about meet mature single so on here with a picture of Simon mannering in drag in a leather dress. I only asks because I have been known to post inappropriate content from time to time and I’m just not sure if the powers that be are taking the puss with me.

I've got the Warehouse, Timberland shoes, and E-Commerce Specialists.

I think it's all automated from your google search results.

 

[bruce]

Passi kepted getting hounded by ref first halve too, someone at the game was he slow getting back, or being targeted by the ref?

Slow getting back. He isn't Bunty Afoa by any means.

 

[Aman]

Not sure where to post this but I suppose it’s staying in line with the culture/ethnicity/religion angle to our possible woes. I saw the team
lisy for the future warriors and Auckland Vulcans team. There was not one single white player in either one? Is that normal? Obviously it’s a game dominated by Polynesians and Maori but there wasn’t even one single white coach or staff member?? Is this on purpose or just to promote jobs within the community that dominates the sport?

 

[jonno]

Not sure where to post this but I suppose it’s staying in line with the culture/ethnicity/religion angle to our possible woes. I saw the team
lisy for the future warriors and Auckland Vulcans team. There was not one single white player in either one? Is that normal? Obviously it’s a game dominated by Polynesians and Maori but there wasn’t even one single white coach or staff member?? Is this on purpose or just to promote jobs within the community that dominates the sport?

Losing has nothing to do with race, or religion. There are winners and losers from all races and all religions.

If a team has a racist recuritment policy (ie: no gingers allowed), that also coincidently excludes some of the best players, so that some of the worst players can have a go and win a participation trophy, that's a loser policy for sure.

 

[bruce]

Losing has nothing to do with race, or religion. There are winners and losers from all races and all religions.

If a team has a racist recuritment policy (ie: no gingers allowed), that also coincidently excludes some of the best players, so that some of the worst players can have a go and win a participation trophy, that's a loser policy for sure.

Canterbury rugby union disagree.

I was talking to a mate from a real Polynesian club the other day regretting my belief there are too many Polynesians in the squad. He laughed and said his Polynesian mates say the same. Floored me that one.

Nothing wrong with having Polynesians in the side, however having a Polynesian side is very different.

 

[jonno]

Canterbury rugby union disagree.

I was talking to a mate from a real Polynesian club the other day regretting my belief there are too many Polynesians in the squad. He laughed and said his Polynesian mates say the same. Floored me that one.

Nothing wrong with having Polynesians in the side, however having a Polynesian side is very different.

Every Islander I've ever asked at work have all said the same thing. One Samoan even said "too many Tongans." lol. But I knew what he meant.

But it's not being an Islander that's the problem. Because then how do you explain Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.

It's the shit in the brains of the player that's the problem. And maybe Islanders have a higher percentage of players with shit in their brains than Kiwi's and Aussies. I don't know. It's a possibility.

Maybe White people have higher IQ's on average than Islanders. Oh shit, that's another banning.

But if IQ was the only key to winning all the teams would be stacked with Chinese players.

That's why I think it's the Will to Win that makes the biggest difference. If a player isn't ready to suffer for victory, the guy who will suffer more will claim the glory.

 

[Aman]

I suppose it's not a question of race but diversification. We touched on this earlier and said teams where players all have a similar backgrounds and mindset won't be able to adapt or change as quick as teams that have a diverse mix of players who possess different mix of leaders, followers, thinkers, tacticians, aggression, IQ etc. I mean surely there should be at least one staff member from another background to offer different perspective or lessons to the kids if not from a footy perspective than a life perspective.

 

[Aman]

But it's not being an Islander that's the problem. Because then how do you explain Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.

Easy you take him out of his environment early and place him in a different country with a highly disciplined and successful club where he is tutored and monitored by the best in the business until he has matured enough to take his rightful place as the best player in the worst club back in NZ where all his bros are still trying to figure out which blue pill goes with which red bull.

Walla! you have Roger Tuivasa-Sheck

 

[jonno]

I suppose it's not a question of race but diversification. We touched on this earlier and said teams where players all have a similar backgrounds and mindset won't be able to adapt or change as quick as teams that have a diverse mix of players who possess different mix of leaders, followers, thinkers, tacticians, aggression, IQ etc. I mean surely there should be at least one staff member from another background to offer different perspective or lessons to the kids if not from a footy perspective than a life perspective.

I think there was a conscious push to make this team all about South Auckland Juniors back in 2012 when Glen brought into the club. It was a part of his charitable program for South Auckland. Not so great for footy fans tho.

And not so great for anyone who isn't of the typical demographics of South Auckland.

 

[Aman]

I think there was a conscious push to make this team all about South Auckland Juniors back in 2012 when Glen brought into the club. It was a part of his charitable program for South Auckland. Not so great for footy fans tho.

And not so great for anyone who isn't of the typical demographics of South Auckland.

so we're a charity? fuck no wonder we suck ape dick

 

[Aman]

BTW I think this one of the best NRL forums around. I like to check out other fan forums after games and they don't come close to our guys passion and discussion. The lay out of this website is first class and user experience is also second to none. Our team might suck but man they have the best supporters. Big ups to the crew who run this thing!