General Christchurch Shooting

DO NOT POST VIDEO TO THE MASSACRE OR LINKS TO IT

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That is nonsense. Farmers are not responsbile for their safety any more than anyone else.
Show me where in the Crimes Act or the Arms Act where Farmers are required to act as personal security/vigilantes.
“SECTION 48 of the Crimes Act 1961 provides: Everyone is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.” 👍🏻
 
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“SECTION 48 of the Crimes Act 1961 provides: Everyone is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.” 👍🏻
I know this section, I work under it.

You have to prove reasonable force.

To prove reasonable force you have to prove that it matches and does not exceed the level of threat.

So if some knife wielding crim breaks into your house, strictly speaking using a firearm exceeds 'reasonable' force.

One thing I will say is that I pray I never break down on the highway in a rural area.


You feel me?

Bit different to knocking on someone’s door in the burbs to call for a tow.

Should it be?

Rhetorical question . . . just putting it out there.
 
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That is nonsense. Farmers are not responsbile for their safety any more than anyone else.
Show me where in the Crimes Act or the Arms Act where Farmers are required to act as personal security/vigilantes.

I've lived rural and city in my time. A firearm would have been far more useful for personal protection at the Penrose Train Station. Good thing that nobody there has one.
Exactly. It is illegal to own firearms for self defence. A farmer up norgh got charged for unloading on some morons stealing his gear. Cannot remember whether or not the bullets landed.

However if you haven't been a farmer how do you know they don't need a gun?
 
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Exactly. It is illegal to own firearms for self defence. A farmer up norgh got charged for unloading on some morons stealing his gear. Cannot remember whether or not the bullets landed.

However if you haven't been a farmer how do you know they don't need a gun?
I've farmed cattle, not for the last 4 years though. I have a cushie office job in AKL city now.
Didn't need a firearm on my farm.
 
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I think it is fantastic that people can come to this forum and have robust debate about such a sensitive subject so soon after a disaster like we have seen.
 
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I've farmed cattle, not for the last 4 years though. I have a cushie office job in AKL city now.
Didn't need a firearm on my farm.
Being devil's advocate what did you do when an animal fell down a bank or otherwise seriously injured itself?
Just asking friendlylike
*edit I'm definitely not pro guns either
 
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I've farmed cattle, not for the last 4 years though. I have a cushie office job in AKL city now.
Didn't need a firearm on my farm.
If a beast is injured do you slit its throat or just shoot it in the head?

If you want meat for the freezer do you fight with the beast and slit its throat or just walk up to it and plug it between the eyes? Believe me the meat tastes better when it is shot on the farm. No stress, just thinks it is in heaven.

I remember some years back the outcry about a backyard slaughterhouse in South Auckland. The Holmes show showed the butcher just walking up to a beast chewing its cud in the race and dropped it like a shite can The beast didn't know a bloody thing. Immensely humane.

You should have heard the outcry and cruelty. Those feckers haven't seen how an abattoir works, or worse still how the stock get there.

Sheep and goats are different. Smaller brains and smaller bodies so a slit throat does the trick.

However though, one only needs a single shot .22 for that. Same as for ducks or pheasants. If you can't use a double barrel you aren't good enough.

I remember dear cullers back last century tramping through the ranges with a decent .303 over their back. That was all they needed. I don't know where all this military shite came from.
 
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So the NZ censor is imposing a 14 year jail sentence to anyone sharing the manifesto.
And 10 years if its on your PC
Words are worse than videos of kiddy porn in NZ now. ??


While I agree on sharing the video should impose a harsh sentence, imposing a very harsh sentence on words is interfering with "free speech"
what do you reckon ?
 
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So the NZ censor is imposing a 14 year jail sentence to anyone sharing the manifesto.
And 10 years if its on your PC
Words are worse than videos of kiddy porn in NZ now. ??


While I agree on sharing the video should impose a harsh sentence, imposing a very harsh sentence on words is interfering with "free speech"
what do you reckon ?
There's free speech and then there is hate speech. Free speech is what you just posted. Hate speech is the Third Reich posts I use to delete of yours a couple years ago. Thats the difference and no, you are not entitled to spread that bullshit...
 
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There's free speech and then there is hate speech. Free speech is what you just posted. Hate speech is the Third Reich posts I use to delete of yours a couple years ago. Thats the difference and no, you are not entitled to spread that bullshit...
Third Reich posts yeah right
The manifesto is out in the internet wild now.. There are probably thousands of copies circulating on the underground net.

BTW.. I can walk into a normal bookstore here in Sydney & buy a copy of Mein Kampf.. a book written by Hitler.
It is a boring book & is probably considered hate speech against the Jews. However, its not illegal to possess a copy.
 
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Third Reich posts yeah right
Mate, we both know you have spruiked a lot of discriminatory shit on here in the past. You have posted gruesome pics of dead people, pics glorifying killers amongst other fucked up shit. You even posted the manifesto on here. We have had a few discussions previously where you stated you wouldn't post your discriminatory thoughts about certain groups of people. Each time it was met with "sorry I was drunk. Won't happen again"


There are probably thousands of copies circulating on the underground net.
Why try to circulate it on here?

If you really want your free speech we are more than happy to forward your post (and associated details) circulating the manifest to authorities if you want to debate your rights. Oh you were expecting free speech here? Please read the terms and conditions of the site...

Feel free to peruse the "underground net" if you need to get your jollies, but they are not tolerated here.

The admin team may joke about other users posting racist shit, but the stuff they have posted compared to what you do aren't even in the same ballpark. The reality is we can't even post publicly about some of the utter garbage you post due to the sensitive content.

BTW.. I can walk into a normal bookstore here in Sydney & buy a copy of Mein Kampf.. a book written by Hitler.
It is a boring book & is probably considered hate speech against the Jews. However, its not illegal to possess a copy.
It is still illegal in a few countries including Germany. As society has moved on from its woeful past some books previously considered offensive and deemed illegal has been made available to public to get a glimpse due to its historical significance.
 
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Being devil's advocate what did you do when an animal fell down a bank or otherwise seriously injured itself?
Just asking friendlylike
*edit I'm definitely not pro guns either
worst situation i have ever been in, was walking with the misses around the rocks below a cliff face. Came across a sheep that had gone over the edge and broken its neck, but was still alive. I didnt even have a pocket knife on me. I couldnt bring myself to brain it with a rock to put it out of its missery. Had to leave it there. As we were walking out found a farmer and told him about it. He went to finish it off.

If I had had a gun, I wouldnt have thought twice about helping the poor animal. Leaving an animal in distress like that was truly horrible.
 
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I see that NZ also bans ISIS propaganda videos and literature under the same rules. I don't remember there being an outcry back then re free speech. I am happy that there is one set of rules being upheld in NZ, rather than choosing by race or religion.
 
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Being devil's advocate what did you do when an animal fell down a bank or otherwise seriously injured itself?
Just asking friendlylike
*edit I'm definitely not pro guns either
The worst that would happen was that if they blew through a fence, they fell over a 1 metre bank into the Waikato River.
That was annoying, as it was a mission to lead them on a journey out of the river and back into a paddock, especially inconvenient in winter as the water was colder than comfortable for 20 mins. Shallow enough to walk though, I was on a shallow side of an island. The other side was the deep side.

Sheep were easier, I could lift them back up the bank.
 
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If a beast is injured do you slit its throat or just shoot it in the head?

If you want meat for the freezer do you fight with the beast and slit its throat or just walk up to it and plug it between the eyes? Believe me the meat tastes better when it is shot on the farm. No stress, just thinks it is in heaven.

I remember some years back the outcry about a backyard slaughterhouse in South Auckland. The Holmes show showed the butcher just walking up to a beast chewing its cud in the race and dropped it like a shite can The beast didn't know a bloody thing. Immensely humane.

You should have heard the outcry and cruelty. Those feckers haven't seen how an abattoir works, or worse still how the stock get there.

Sheep and goats are different. Smaller brains and smaller bodies so a slit throat does the trick.

However though, one only needs a single shot .22 for that. Same as for ducks or pheasants. If you can't use a double barrel you aren't good enough.

I remember dear cullers back last century tramping through the ranges with a decent .303 over their back. That was all they needed. I don't know where all this military shite came from.
I never killed my own cattle. The local homekill picked them up. They have the gear to do a great job, all the equipment and facilities. I didn’t have the time or effort to give it a crack. One of my mates used to do his own occasionally because he liked it cut a certain way for curing his own meat. Said it was always done better by the pros and no mess.
 
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The worst that would happen was that if they blew through a fence, they fell over a 1 metre bank into the Waikato River.
That was annoying, as it was a mission to lead them on a journey out of the river and back into a paddock, especially inconvenient in winter as the water was colder than comfortable for 20 mins. Shallow enough to walk though, I was on a shallow side of an island. The other side was the deep side.

Sheep were easier, I could lift them back up the bank.
Sweet bro, good to hear a positive all be it wet and cold outcome. Particularly needed on this post.
 
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I've already stated my opinion on government interference and making up new laws to get people that would otherwise be impossible to discourage (before that Friday you could basically get away with anything, even if it broke some laws, no one cared enough to actively stop it).

This New Law applies to all extremist, Academics like Margaret Mutu will have to think twice before trying to get controversial with 'kill a white' type declarations.


New Zealand has been hit by terrorism in a major way, this wasn't some impulsive crazy who accrued a bunch of weapons without much more planning than your average spree killer, who by comparrison will go out and shoot anyone and everyone.

This was an ISIS type organised targeted act of war on NZ soil.

The proliferation of the manifesto is like an ememy dropping leaflets over a country at war, leaflets in the millions, delivered by vehicles you can't shoot down.

There is no other way to get these people. Anyone who helped this guy needs getting, so I'm ok with the state invading peoples computers to hunt out the ringleaders, I'm ok with them getting fourteen years jail with a newly invented punishment, like Inruin Inruin said, they got scareface on a tax charge, this is no different, it's the government creating new weaponary to attack these people sideways.

I've said this before, but this is a matter of national security and defending sovereignty and the rights of citizens to be safe within our borders.

This Aussie brought the war to us, NZ has to fight back, it became millitarised as soon as this person weaponized and tried to wipe out citizens rights, it became a war as soon as the prime minister approved an SAS response on NZ soil, as soon as the Airforce started flying staff from Wellington to CH CH.

Economically speaking this attack has cost us billions of dollars as our intelligence services, our security services our courts, the police, the health care system, the education system, all social services will be working ten to the dozen to treat the victims and defend the rest of us.
 
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I never killed my own cattle. The local homekill picked them up.
How do you think they kill them? A .22 between the eyes for a beast, slit throat for a sheep
 
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Rumour: so I heard today that when the cops rammed this guy and arrested him he was on his way to attack a Muslim school or childcare centre. Anyone heard this or is it just speculation?
 
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This New Law applies to all extremist, Academics like Margaret Mutu will have to think twice before trying to get controversial with 'kill a white' type declarations.
When has she ever stated anything like that???
 
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