General Changes to the Head Office

[Mr Brownstone]

Takes 30 seconds to spout bullshit.

Said from day one that Foran wasn't the signing we needed but I seriously doubt Doyle neglected his duties as much as you're exagerrating based on Foran.

Article today in the Herald confirming that Doyle "put hundreds of man hours" into trying to get Foran right "as did coach Stephen Kearney and other senior management". Goes on to say that the Warriors will never know the opportunity cost of the efforts but implies they were significant.

See this is the thing with your posts - you are always trying to be the voice of reason, providing objectivity to counter the emotive and exaggerated views of others. However the problem with this is that those you criticise are often closer to reality than your 'what seems logical' view on things. My suggestion would be to start having more respect for views that run counter to your own.

 

[bruce]

Article today in the Herald confirming that Doyle "put hundreds of man hours" into trying to get Foran right "as did coach Stephen Kearney and other senior management". Goes on to say that the Warriors will never know the opportunity cost of the efforts but implies they were significant.

See this is the thing with your posts - you are always trying to be the voice of reason, providing objectivity to counter the emotive and exaggerated views of others. However the problem with this is that those you criticise are often closer to reality than your 'what seems logical' view on things. My suggestion would be to start having more respect for views that run counter to your own.

Thanks for the heads up. Doyle is just the gift that keeps giving.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11911838
"I don't regret the Kieran decision," Doyle told the Herald on Sunday. "It certainly didn't work out how we had anticipated but I don't regret it. If we were sitting here right now, having not made the top eight and we had had the chance to sign Kieran Foran and decided not to, people would have questioned that. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but everyone who is truthful and honest would have made the same decision. "
If I recall most on this forum were against the signing but it is comforting to know that JD listens to the fans.

On that basis Dear JD, go and find a football manager and stay in the marketing office where you belong, and shut the door on the way out.

 

[Mr Brownstone]

Thanks for the heads up. Doyle is just the gift that keeps giving.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11911838
"I don't regret the Kieran decision," Doyle told the Herald on Sunday. "It certainly didn't work out how we had anticipated but I don't regret it. If we were sitting here right now, having not made the top eight and we had had the chance to sign Kieran Foran and decided not to, people would have questioned that. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but everyone who is truthful and honest would have made the same decision. "
If I recall most on this forum were against the signing but it is comforting to know that JD listens to the fans.

On that basis Dear JD, go and find a football manager and stay in the marketing office where you belong, and shut the door on the way out.

Yeah I can't believe his comments this morning. That is surely confirmation to those that still believed in him that he genuinely has no clue about anything to do with actual 'rugby league decisions'.

 

[Worried2Death]

On the other hand, Foran did immediately straighten our attack for a couple of games before disappearing, so there was some on-field validation for Doyle's thinking.

Should he have risked it? Not in hindsight obviously, but I doubt many of us have the full intel on Foran's ongoing psychiatric condition, so the full cost/benefit of signing him is still pretty speculative.

Andrew Johns self-managed bipolar with drugs & alcohol throughout his career, proving it can pay off on the field.
Foran failed here, but there were glimpses of why JD took the gamble. Mental illness is too unpredictable to use as a measure of even the best sports management processes, let alone ours.

 

[bruce]

On the other hand, Foran did immediately straighten our attack for a couple of games before disappearing, so there was some on-field validation for Doyle's thinking.

He did, then he went missing again. One story I remember was that Foran was going to help our young halves. I am sure I heard that from somewhere. That is missing from JD's excuse package, maybe he has realised that Stacey Jones knows something about playing in the halves.

A competent owner would ask JD:

EW: Why did you spend so much time and money on Foran.
JD: To help him get his life back on track and maybe he would want to play for us.
EW: Did we need another half?
JD: We needed help to teach the young guys.
EW: What about Stacey Jones, he is being paid to do that?
JD:
EW: Do we need some forwards?
JD: Yes, but nobody wanted to come, and I did try hard.
EW: How are you going to fix this mess?
JD: Promote myself to Chairman and get rid of you

 

[Jordan G]

On the other hand, Foran did immediately straighten our attack for a couple of games before disappearing, so there was some on-field validation for Doyle's thinking.

Should he have risked it? Not in hindsight obviously, but I doubt many of us have the full intel on Foran's ongoing psychiatric condition, so the full cost/benefit of signing him is still pretty speculative.

Andrew Johns self-managed bipolar with drugs & alcohol throughout his career, proving it can pay off on the field.
Foran failed here, but there were glimpses of why JD took the gamble. Mental illness is too unpredictable to use as a measure of even the best sports management processes, let alone ours.

Even ignoring the off field stuff Foran's impact was always going to be limited without the cattle in front of him.

The gamble on Foran was an investment in the wrong area of the team even if there were zero off field concerns. Him not re-signing would be a blessing if we could actually convince some forwards to take the cash he left behind.

 

[mt.wellington]

That is right, it was bullshit. It doesn't matter the guy is full of it. Heyzuess he is even mentioning him getting MSS back, but that was three years ago what has he done since except sell lots of jerseys and pay the bills. That won't last if the team is playing like shite.

Doyles done a shitload of work but its all been in the backroom. Where the organisation is being judged on by fans and where there has been absolutely no improvement is on the field where it all really counts. The team itself seem to have gone backwards. Thats more to do with his recruitment of Stephen Kearney than anything else. For that fault must lay at Doyles feet but should Kearney actually turn this rubble around it will be because of Doyle and his decision to hire him over Cappy. Until Kearney does so or gets fired we really cant say whether his tenure as CEO was a success or a failure. At worst, right now, he has left the role with the team playing as shit as when he received it.

The backroom however has never ever looked better. Warriors have had a great financial year while 13 other clubs are losing money or are being run by the NRL...

 

[bruce]

The backroom however has never ever looked better. Warriors have had a great financial year while 13 other clubs are losing money or are being run by the NRL...

There can be no denying that so why didn't Doyle employ a knowledgeable football manager with some of the profits? Instead he employs Cameron George to run the shop so he can spend more time playing with football matters.

At worst, right now, he has left the role with the team playing as shit as when he received it.

When he received it Doyle signed Manu to a ridiculous contract, as he leaves he is trying to sign Blair to one as well, He is a quick learner.

Until Kearney does so or gets fired we really cant say whether his tenure as CEO was a success or a failure.

Kearney isn't the only problem with the football side, what has Doyle done about recruiting and development? Signing reserve graders to first grade contracts isn't a good look.

 

[RICHMAN]

There can be no denying that so why didn't Doyle employ a knowledgeable football manager with some of the profits? Instead he employs Cameron George to run the shop so he can spend more time playing with football matters.

When he received it Doyle signed Manu to a ridiculous contract, as he leaves he is trying to sign Blair to one as well, He is a quick learner.

Kearney isn't the only problem with the football side, what has Doyle done about recruiting and development? Signing reserve graders to first grade contracts isn't a good look.

Isn`t Recruiting and development Toy Iro`s and the coaches role. I thought JD just follows through on contract details

 

[Miket12]

Isn`t Recruiting and development Toy Iro`s and the coaches role. I thought JD just follows through on contract details

Please don't question Bruce's inside knowledge. Doyle's hands are over everything (according to Bruce)

 

[bruce]

Isn`t Recruiting and development Toy Iro`s and the coaches role. I thought JD just follows through on contract details

Please don't question Bruce's inside knowledge. Doyle's hands are over everything (according to Bruce)

Last I knew Doyle was CEO in charge of and responsible for everything. He delegates jobs to Kearney and Iro but he is responsible for employing and supervising them. Management 101.

 

[RICHMAN]

Last I knew Doyle was CEO in charge of and responsible for everything. He delegates jobs to Kearney and Iro but he is responsible for employing and supervising them. Management 101.

Thats right Bruce he delegates, hes not the one with the football nous, hes got to trust those he delegates too that they are doing their job.

 

[WarriorBall]

Last I knew Doyle was CEO in charge of and responsible for everything. He delegates jobs to Kearney and Iro but he is responsible for employing and supervising them. Management 101.

It sounds like your saying Doyle delegated a job to Tony Iro to go out and sign Santo, Cherrington, Farimo, Tohu Harris, Pulu, I know your probably not saying that but the flip side is that the coaches and the head of recruitment, the blokes with actual football knowledge, are responsible for who makes the roster which counters your argument regarding Doyle being in someway responsible for the shambles that is the Warriors roster.

 

[Mr Brownstone]

Thats right Bruce he delegates, hes not the one with the football nous, hes got to trust those he delegates too that they are doing their job.

Oh geez I've just realised that you guys were all calling him GoDoyle for his administrative qualities, delegation skills and ability to drive the profit growth of an organisation for which the financial accounts aren't publicly available!!

 

[bruce]

Thats right Bruce he delegates, hes not the one with the football nous, hes got to trust those he delegates too that they are doing their job.

Well he hasn't delegated the job of football manager, so he is responsible for everything wrong on the football side. The last time the club was doing any good we had a very competent football manager. He upset many people in the place, except the coach who he supported to the hilt. There hasn't been one since, I wonder if that is a coincidence?

I know your probably not saying that but the flip side is that the coaches and the head of recruitment, the blokes with actual football knowledge, are responsible for who makes the roster which counters your argument regarding Doyle being in someway responsible for the shambles that is the Warriors roster.

Management 101, the buck stops at the top. Incompetent managers always sent the shit downhill though.

 

[WarriorBall]

Well he hasn't delegated the job of football manager, so he is responsible for everything wrong on the football side. The last time the club was doing any good we had a very competent football manager. He upset many people in the place, except the coach who he supported to the hilt. There hasn't been one since, I wonder if that is a coincidence?
Management 101, the buck stops at the top. Incompetent managers always sent the shit downhill though.

lol, you crack me up Bruce. Don't stop posting brother!

 

[RICHMAN]

Oh geez I've just realised that you guys were all calling him GoDoyle for his administrative qualities, delegation skills and ability to drive the profit growth of an organisation for which the financial accounts aren't publicly available!!

And your point is?

 

[Mr Brownstone]

And your point is?

My point is that the Doyle supporters are now trying to pass the buck - the poor recruitment is Iro and Cappy's fault, the failed strategy is Kearney's fault. The applause for Doyle when he signed on was not for improving the profits of the organisation or delegating responsibilities. It was for turning the performance of the first grade squad around. Unfortunatley it has fallen to new lows under his watch and he has failed.

 

[WarriorBall]

My point is that the Doyle supporters are now trying to pass the buck - the poor recruitment is Iro and Cappy's fault, the failed strategy is Kearney's fault. The applause for Doyle when he signed on was not for improving the profits of the organisation or delegating responsibilities. It was for turning the performance of the first grade squad around. Unfortunatley it has fallen to new lows under his watch and he has failed.

What's the go with the 'your a Doyle supporter or your not,' your for him or against him? I don't get that. There's plenty there I'm not impressed with but ever thinking the Navman guy was going to miraculously turn this malfunctioning team around is a case of more fool me.

I sense I could say a North Korean man child with glob tit's fired a missile over Japan yesterday and some people would say "No, Doyle did it"

The Doyle issue has become more about being proved right than it is about common sense.

 

[Jordan G]

What's the go with the 'your a Doyle supporter or your not,' your for him or against him? I don't get that.

The Doyle issue has become more about being proved right than it is about common sense.

Welcome to the forum.