Good question. Ken and Fusitua will be 1&2. I think he would be a good option on play 5 to create momentum before the kick.
I'd be disappointed if in the oppo 20 the first two were Ken and Fusitua, meaning 1 if not 2 wingers are out of position.

Ben Murdoch-Masila needs to be 2 or 3.
Agreed. The question though was coming out of our 20m zone
Ahhh misread... True then, he needs to be 3 or 4, if he can get back that quickly!
 
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Let me ask this - if you were constructing a set coming out of your 20m zone, would you want Ben Murdoch-Masila taking the ball up on tackle 1,2,3 or 4?
It is a great question with lots of variables.

In the video the vast majority, approaching ninety percent of the time where he is an effective runner, it is in the oppositions half.

That may be down to how he is being used, but I doubt that is the whole answer.

More likely they have worked out that his strength is in the late tackles or when he gets white line fever in the opponents half.

He is no Mr Effective, i.e. he is strong, but he is not bowling people left right and centre on tackle one.

He runs like a back, and we have backs that run like forwards.

I would suggest they stick to his strengths and use him late, with the proviso that he should take a dummy half run at any part of the field if the markers and A and B defenders aren't set.

So add that to his game rather than try to pre-set him into the kind of pattern that is more beneficial for forwards who run in a straight line.

I am more impressed by his tackling technique, the upper body throw to back slam runners.

That is a skill that is directly transferable between comps.

But yeah, on the running game, especially when Katoa is on the field, let this guy have free license, Katoa is a better structured hole runner....which should free this guy up to go bursting whenever sees the chance to wreak some havoc.

I partly base this off his running stats which I am too lazy to look up, but he is no solid grinder. Use what he has and let the rest build the platform.
 
It is a great question with lots of variables.

In the video the vast majority, approaching ninety percent of the time where he is an effective runner, it is in the oppositions half.

That may be down to how he is being used, but I doubt that is the whole answer.

More likely they have worked out that his strength is in the late tackles or when he gets white line fever in the opponents half.

He is no Mr Effective, i.e. he is strong, but he is not bowling people left right and centre on tackle one.

He runs like a back, and we have backs that run like forwards.

I would suggest they stick to his strengths and use him late, with the proviso that he should take a dummy half run at any part of the field if the markers and A and B defenders aren't set.

So add that to his game rather than try to pre-set him into the kind of pattern that is more beneficial for forwards who run in a straight line.

I am more impressed by his tackling technique, the upper body throw to back slam runners.

That is a skill that is directly transferable between comps.

But yeah, on the running game, especially when Katoa is on the field, let this guy have free license, Katoa is a better structured hole runner....which should free this guy up to go bursting whenever sees the chance to wreak some havoc.

I partly base this off his running stats which I am too lazy to look up, but he is no
It is a great question with lots of variables.

In the video the vast majority, approaching ninety percent of the time where he is an effective runner, it is in the oppositions half.

That may be down to how he is being used, but I doubt that is the whole answer.

More likely they have worked out that his strength is in the late tackles or when he gets white line fever in the opponents half.

He is no Mr Effective, i.e. he is strong, but he is not bowling people left right and centre on tackle one.

He runs like a back, and we have backs that run like forwards.

I would suggest they stick to his strengths and use him late, with the proviso that he should take a dummy half run at any part of the field if the markers and A and B defenders aren't set.

So add that to his game rather than try to pre-set him into the kind of pattern that is more beneficial for forwards who run in a straight line.

I am more impressed by his tackling technique, the upper body throw to back slam runners.

That is a skill that is directly transferable between comps.

But yeah, on the running game, especially when Katoa is on the field, let this guy have free license, Katoa is a better structured hole runner....which should free this guy up to go bursting whenever sees the chance to wreak some havoc.

I partly base this off his running stats which I am too lazy to look up, but he is no solid grinder. Use what he has and let the rest build the platform.
So would you play him at lock? If so, how would you rotate him with Jazz/Tohu Harris?
 
playing 80m consecutively took its toll on katoa physically. i think using Ben Murdoch-Masila anywhere other than on an edge is a total waste. doesnt have the ticker to play as a middle, negates his impact. have him running wide would be a nightmare. murchie is good but hes not a certain starter every week, Tohu Harris can always move to 13 and throw Ben Murdoch-Masila on an edge.
It’s still Murchie’s spot to lose in my opinion. Ben Murdoch-Masila would have to outplay him and not the other way around. Good competition for places.

I think ideally we have Katoa and Muchie in the starting second row with Tohu Harris at lock and Ben Murdoch-Masila coming off the bench to sub at lock or second row depending on the match up.
 

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No way Murchie is ahead of Ben Murdoch-Masila. Wishful thinking. By the end of Ben Murdoch-Masila contract maybe but right now they aren't even on the same level. Murchie and Katoa are developing. Ben Murdoch-Masila has come here with a lot of fanfare because he's the real deal end product...
I mean I wouldn't call him the 'real deal' by NRL standards. He had a good game against Australia, which is where the majority of the hype on this forum has come from. Other than that, he's barely fired in the super league (a massively inferior competition). He hasn't made the super league team of the year since 2017. For someone that is the real deal, you would think he would be in the Man of Steel discussion, which I don't think he ever has.

Just my opinion, but chuck Murchie in the super league and he would produce better results than Ben Murdoch-Masila, especially at the rate he is developing. Ben Murdoch-Masila does have one hell of a highlights package though.
 
For me, it’s probably Evans that gets left out.

Bench of Lawton, Ben Murdoch-Masila, Jamayne Tounua-Brown and Jazz.

Jamayne Tounua-Brown showed more than Evans this year. Ben Murdoch-Masila and Tohu Harris can share minutes as the fourth prop in the rotation.

Suits the style of play with the 6 again rules. Teams will start to carry less props on their bench.

Addin Fonua-Blake and LAM as starting props.
Not sure they will leave Evans out , as why sign him for depth?
It's Really Jazz or Lawton that misses out I think.
Im not sure you carry both on the bench.
They Both defend well in the middle both can cover 9 and 13.
Lawton adds a bit more in terms of injury cover whilst I think jazz is the better forward in terms of metres and stuff. But we have Addin Fonua-Blake and Ben Murdoch-Masila and Evans to add that now.
Both are off contract end of this season so will be interesting to see how the club goes.
And I think LAM is better of the bench imo. Keeps the momentum going but isn't really aggressive enough to start and set the tone as it were.
Agree with the less props though , or faster more mobile props being a developing trend.
 
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Not sure they will leave Evans out , as why sign him for depth?
It's Really Jazz or Lawton that misses out I think.
Im not sure you carry both on the bench.
They Both defend well in the middle both can cover 9 and 13.
Lawton adds a bit more in terms of injury cover whilst I think jazz is the better forward in terms of metres and stuff. But we have Addin Fonua-Blake and Ben Murdoch-Masila and Evans to add that now.
Both are off contract end of this season so will be interesting to see how the club goes.
And I think LAM is better of the bench imo. Keeps the momentum going but isn't really aggressive enough to start and set the tone as it were.
Agree with the less props though , or faster more mobile props being a developing trend.
Jazz can’t cover 9. If you’re confident in Egan playing a full 80 then fair enough.

But I do think it will be Jazz vs Evans for the last bench spot. I think they will make a decision based on the match up. If they’re playing a bigger forward back they might go Evans or if it’s a faster track then they probably go with Jazz. But given the trend of faster games then I think Jazz in small minutes off the bench is the better option

Evans was only a two year signing, it’s probably more likely that he was signed for depth and to create competition for spots.

And agree with LAM but don’t think it will happen till later in the season. I think Addin Fonua-Blake and Jamayne Tounua-Brown will be starting together by season end.
 
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