General Auckland Waterfront Stadium

[snake77]

One of the articles for allowing concerts at Eden Park had the headline Let There Be Rock.

For the neighbours including the former Prime Minister who were opposing this I would tell them Rock n Roll Ain't Noise Pollution.

Now the tricky bit trying to find acts that can draw a big enough crowd. Six60 want to play there and it would be awesome seeing a local act fill the place.

 

[wizards rage]

Just doing some research.

I understand the proposed site of any waterfront stadium is Maori leasehold land located around spark arena. Attached is a plan showing that this is all reclaimed land.


Does anyone have any info on when this was reclaimed and when it became leasehold?

 

[Miket12]

Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei Whai Rawa purchased the land in 1996.

 

[Miket12]

Just doing some research.

I understand the proposed site of any waterfront stadium is Maori leasehold land located around spark arena. Attached is a plan showing that this is all reclaimed land.

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Does anyone have any info on when this was reclaimed and when it became leasehold?

Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei Whai Rawa purchased the land in 1996.

 

[Rizzah]

Just doing some research.

I understand the proposed site of any waterfront stadium is Maori leasehold land located around spark arena. Attached is a plan showing that this is all reclaimed land.

View attachment 43714
Does anyone have any info on when this was reclaimed and when it became leasehold?

Is this for the Wizard Rage Superdome?
Or simply 'The Cauldron'

 

[Geoff Public]

While a new stadium is some years away, now Western Springs and Waikaraka Park have the same promoter conditions exist for cricket to move. The main problem being who will pay the 100 million for a Western Springs cricket upgrade.
My concern is not whether the National Stadium is at Eden Park or in the city,. Can the Warriors afford to be there.
The Warriors said they cannot afford the current Eden Park. Any new stadium would most likely be built with private money. They would want a return on investment.
If Eden Park was chosen, Union, through its influence on the Eden Park Trust Board could negotiate a very different deal for themselves.
Downtown on the leasehold old Railway land. A lease is 5% of land value. It all ups the cost.
I would hate to have a situation where Auckland is too expensive for the Warriors.

 

[snake77]

While a new stadium is some years away, now Western Springs and Waikaraka Park have the same promoter conditions exist for cricket to move. The main problem being who will pay the 100 million for a Western Springs cricket upgrade.
My concern is not whether the National Stadium is at Eden Park or in the city,. Can the Warriors afford to be there.
The Warriors said they cannot afford the current Eden Park. Any new stadium would most likely be built with private money. They would want a return on investment.
If Eden Park was chosen, Union, through its influence on the Eden Park Trust Board could negotiate a very different deal for themselves.
Downtown on the leasehold old Railway land. A lease is 5% of land value. It all ups the cost.
I would hate to have a situation where Auckland is too expensive for the Warriors.

This is what I have been saying when people out in every day life bring up the Warriors moving and hell they are being awkward. Besides issues with the stadium itself a lot of the economics itself do not add up for the club.

They had to increase their average attendance to break even as it would cost them more to rent out and the rest of the costs of running a larger venue. Remember the Warriors moving to Eden Park would of brought the Eden Park Trust Board a regular tenant with a decent sized fan base. At the time they were probably drawing a average crowd than the Blues.

They were going to lose a million dollars worth of corporate box revenue.

Compare this to the deals the Sydney clubs get to play at the Olympic Stadium where they get financial incentives to play there. I'd bet if the Warriors said they wanted to play at an Australian based stadium say the new Eels ground they would get a better deal than they are for Eden Park. Australia and New Zealand do have different ideas on things like this. A good example is the cinema business that was struggling in the mid 2000's due to lack of attendance, people waiting for DVDs or downloading. I was in Australia and a friend took me out and the prices were dropped to get people back to the cinemas. Get home again and the prices get increased, then there are more articles about how they need to lift prices to cover the costs of the people not turning up.

 

[bruce]

From what I can see this thread is the defacto discussion about the competence, or lack of it, of the Auckland Council and government departments that run the place.

So here goes:

Bikes could take over one lane on Auckland Harbour Bridge

An existing lane may be dedicated to cyclists and pedestrians ahead of separate bridge.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Bikes could take over one lane on Auckland Harbour Bridge​

A lane on Auckland Harbour Bridge could be closed to cars, so cyclists and pedestrians can use it.

Transport Minister Michael Wood yesterday confirmed the Government wants to build a new separate bridge - at an estimated cost of $785 million - alongside the Auckland Harbour Bridge, specifically for walkers, runners and cyclists.

Ahead of that the Government is considering devoting an existing bridge lane to active transport, a plan that is supported by Auckland councillors Pippa Coom and Chris Darby.
Coom said there was plenty of demand for it.

"The missing link across the harbour bridge is for walking and cycling and also all the other e-mobility people are using now... people in wheelchairs, scootering, using skateboards," Coom said.

"We've got to plan for that and we've got to get this connection in place."

Darby said a bridge for cyclists and pedestrians had a strong business case, would be useful for commuters, and would become a tourist attraction.
Plans for a Skypath attached to the existing harbour bridge were scrapped in March.

"There has been a lot of false hope and false starts on the Skypath, the northern pathway across the Auckland harbour," Darby said.
"Now we've got absolute government commitment and more importantly, you've got a budget - so finally we've got legs."

Cycling campaigner Bevan Woodward supports trialling the use of one lane of the Auckland harbour bridge for walking and cycling.
He said yesterday that overseas experience showed taking a lane away would not grind the city to a halt.

Construction of the new bridge, next to the existing harbour bridge, could start as soon as next year and is expected to take six years to complete.

 

[bruce]

From what I can see this thread is the defacto discussion about the competence, or lack of it, of the Auckland Council and government departments that run the place.

So here goes:

Bikes could take over one lane on Auckland Harbour Bridge

An existing lane may be dedicated to cyclists and pedestrians ahead of separate bridge.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Bikes could take over one lane on Auckland Harbour Bridge​

A lane on Auckland Harbour Bridge could be closed to cars, so cyclists and pedestrians can use it.

Transport Minister Michael Wood yesterday confirmed the Government wants to build a new separate bridge - at an estimated cost of $785 million - alongside the Auckland Harbour Bridge, specifically for walkers, runners and cyclists.

Ahead of that the Government is considering devoting an existing bridge lane to active transport, a plan that is supported by Auckland councillors Pippa Coom and Chris Darby.
Coom said there was plenty of demand for it.

"The missing link across the harbour bridge is for walking and cycling and also all the other e-mobility people are using now... people in wheelchairs, scootering, using skateboards," Coom said.

"We've got to plan for that and we've got to get this connection in place."

Darby said a bridge for cyclists and pedestrians had a strong business case, would be useful for commuters, and would become a tourist attraction.
Plans for a Skypath attached to the existing harbour bridge were scrapped in March.

"There has been a lot of false hope and false starts on the Skypath, the northern pathway across the Auckland harbour," Darby said.
"Now we've got absolute government commitment and more importantly, you've got a budget - so finally we've got legs."

Cycling campaigner Bevan Woodward supports trialling the use of one lane of the Auckland harbour bridge for walking and cycling.
He said yesterday that overseas experience showed taking a lane away would not grind the city to a halt.

Construction of the new bridge, next to the existing harbour bridge, could start as soon as next year and is expected to take six years to complete.

Heyzeuss spare me, the Harbour Bridge is creaking now, any closed lane causes massive delays, and these farkwits want to close a lane permanently for cyclists.

I travel over the bridge daily. One thing I notice is the huge amount of cars with a single passenger, sitting still on approaches like Onewa Road, let along the motorway itself further north.

Don't tell me those people want to do that. They will not be getting paid for sitting on their arse. So my guess is improving the supply of public transport is more of a priority than a bloody bike lane.

What clerical worker is going to want to ride a bike to work from say Forrest Hill on a scungy wet morning? Even allowing for getting soaked, that bridge is very high and the winds can blow trucks over.

I have mates who ride bikes for fitness, and good on them. I look at countries like Holland and Belgium, a flat as pancakes where bikes are a great form of transport.

Auckland, especially the harbor bridge is not flat.

What I do notice is a preponderance of lycra clad farkwits showing off their block and tackle and talking shite in loud voices at coffees stops around Auckland. I hear some coffee shops have banned the morons.

They ride sometimes three and four abreast, in breach of road rules, and they often claim right of way to which they are not entitled.

I notice on joint walk and cycle ways they don't give a shite about people having a quiet walk.

Fark off you farkwits and leave us alone.

Rant over.

 

[J_P]

Heyzeuss spare me, the Harbour Bridge is creaking now, any closed lane causes massive delays, and these farkwits want to close a lane permanently for cyclists.

I travel over the bridge daily. One thing I notice is the huge amount of cars with a single passenger, sitting still on approaches like Onewa Road, let along the motorway itself further north.

Don't tell me those people want to do that. They will not be getting paid for sitting on their arse. So my guess is improving the supply of public transport is more of a priority than a bloody bike lane.

What clerical worker is going to want to ride a bike to work from say Forrest Hill on a scungy wet morning? Even allowing for getting soaked, that bridge is very high and the winds can blow trucks over.

I have mates who ride bikes for fitness, and good on them. I look at countries like Holland and Belgium, a flat as pancakes where bikes are a great form of transport.

Auckland, especially the harbor bridge is not flat.

What I do notice is a preponderance of lycra clad farkwits showing off their block and tackle and talking shite in loud voices at coffees stops around Auckland. I hear some coffee shops have banned the morons.

They ride sometimes three and four abreast, in breach of road rules, and they often claim right of way to which they are not entitled.

I notice on joint walk and cycle ways they don't give a shite about people having a quiet walk.

Fark off you farkwits and leave us alone.

Rant over.

Very beautifully said. Me and a couple guys at work were talking about this last night and it was pretty much word for word to your post.
They want all the rights of cars while dodging in between cars. I'm not sure about bikes but I've heard motorcyclists aren't legally allowed to do that (which would make sense) so assume the the same for cyclists.
Worst ones are the the lycra cyclists that ride on roads when there's a specific wide foot path built for them due to the road not being suitable for mixed traffic in some sections of roads.
Lastly i was thinking the other day, forklifts that need to be driven on roads even across the road need wofs why don't bicyclists? From the top of my head they're the only vehicle on our roads that don't require wofs.
Ok that last ones just me being dick to them haha but it would be good to have enforceable standards on lighting especially. Most are pretty good but there are a few i come across that could be clearer in the dark.
Indicators wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Sorry in the transport industry rant over

 

[matiunz]

Heyzeuss spare me, the Harbour Bridge is creaking now, any closed lane causes massive delays, and these farkwits want to close a lane permanently for cyclists.

I travel over the bridge daily. One thing I notice is the huge amount of cars with a single passenger, sitting still on approaches like Onewa Road, let along the motorway itself further north.

Don't tell me those people want to do that. They will not be getting paid for sitting on their arse. So my guess is improving the supply of public transport is more of a priority than a bloody bike lane.

What clerical worker is going to want to ride a bike to work from say Forrest Hill on a scungy wet morning? Even allowing for getting soaked, that bridge is very high and the winds can blow trucks over.

I have mates who ride bikes for fitness, and good on them. I look at countries like Holland and Belgium, a flat as pancakes where bikes are a great form of transport.

Auckland, especially the harbor bridge is not flat.

What I do notice is a preponderance of lycra clad farkwits showing off their block and tackle and talking shite in loud voices at coffees stops around Auckland. I hear some coffee shops have banned the morons.

They ride sometimes three and four abreast, in breach of road rules, and they often claim right of way to which they are not entitled.

I notice on joint walk and cycle ways they don't give a shite about people having a quiet walk.

Fark off you farkwits and leave us alone.

Rant over.

Should just do a similar model to sydney harbour bridge, one side walkway, otherside cycleway- separated from car bus and train traffic

 

[bruce]

Should just do a similar model to sydney harbour bridge, one side walkway, otherside cycleway- separated from car bus and train traffic

The Sydney Harbour Bridge is flat.

Of course those with electric scooters and bikes will be able to get up the slope, but that is another issue.

I dread the day, and it will come, when one of these farkwits on an electric scooter kills some poor pedestrian. there have been incidents already that for the grace of heyzeuss could have ended in serious injury if not death. It will happen.

 

[Gizzyfan]

Anyone wearing lycra and riding a bicycle on roads should have the same legal rights as a possum. the end.

 

[brightman]

Chris Darby should be ashamed, disregarding and breaking through a police line to illegally ride up the bridge and get his photo taken at the top.
Meanwhile Lake Rd traffic is fucked and we've had bike lanes for 20 years that have never had the usage to justify themselves, so Chris Darby as the local councillor(!) is another fraud and a law breaking grandstander that disgusts many of his electorate that drive to work and back along the overly congested lake Rd and harbour bridge to have this cycle bridge shit rammed down their throats!

This is the shit you get with the Labour party, Jacinda and Auckland council..

 

[Rizzah]

My question. How do we get more people to use alternative transportation in NZ?
Whether you like it or not there is going to be a massive push for alternative transport and electrification at some point in the next 5-10 years.

I've started to use the bus for my daily commute (with two kids), but not in Auckland.
I wouldn't bike personally, but I can see the attraction if the commute wasn't mixed with cars and heavy transport.

 

[Gizzyfan]

I used the Melbourne train system all the time, get on train, read paper, get off train. Easy

 

[Rizzah]

I used the Melbourne train system all the time, get on train, read paper, get off train. Easy

Has the train network in Auckland improved? I lived in Auckland in the mid-late 2000s the train network was pretty terrible then. I remember the bus service was okay.

 

[wizards rage]

My question. How do we get more people to use alternative transportation in NZ?
Whether you like it or not there is going to be a massive push for alternative transport and electrification at some point in the next 5-10 years.

I've started to use the bus for my daily commute (with two kids), but not in Auckland.
I wouldn't bike personally, but I can see the attraction if the commute wasn't mixed with cars and heavy transport.

NZ can’t blindly follow overseas examples as we are different - we have variable cold weather, low density, hugely spread cities and hilly terrain.

Of course build cycle facilities organically into road upgrades but the prioritisation of biking is doomed to fail. There is ample evidence with the bike lanes now and pathetic usage. A small percentage of kiwis will bike but it’s always going to be a niche way of getting around.

Public transport is the future in the cities but again we suffer from low density and geographic spread. It’s going to take decades to get a fit for purpose public system. NZ loves cars - it allows independence. Until the public transport gets up to speed it will be a long slow transition.

What really gets me is Transit (or whatever it’s called now) promoting an anti car agenda. Blocking roads off, lowering speed limits, taking away car parks, etc. They do it in small towns with absolutely no issues - like Gore even FFS. There is no public support for this anywhere they trial it over the country. They actually publicly admit they want to make it harder for cars to try to get us out of them...

 

[john nick]

NZ can’t blindly follow overseas examples as we are different - we have variable cold weather, low density, hugely spread cities and hilly terrain.

Of course build cycle facilities organically into road upgrades but the prioritisation of biking is doomed to fail. There is ample evidence with the bike lanes now and pathetic usage. A small percentage of kiwis will bike but it’s always going to be a niche way of getting around.

Public transport is the future in the cities but again we suffer from low density and geographic spread. It’s going to take decades to get a fit for purpose public system. NZ loves cars - it allows independence. Until the public transport gets up to speed it will be a long slow transition.

What really gets me is Transit (or whatever it’s called now) promoting an anti car agenda. Blocking roads off, lowering speed limits, taking away car parks, etc. They do it in small towns with absolutely no issues - like Gore even FFS. There is no public support for this anywhere they trial it over the country. They actually publicly admit they want to make it harder for cars to try to get us out of them...

As usual everyone in nz has their own agenda and expects the government to pay for their services

 

[Rizzah]

NZ can’t blindly follow overseas examples as we are different - we have variable cold weather, low density, hugely spread cities and hilly terrain.

Of course build cycle facilities organically into road upgrades but the prioritisation of biking is doomed to fail. There is ample evidence with the bike lanes now and pathetic usage. A small percentage of kiwis will bike but it’s always going to be a niche way of getting around.

Public transport is the future in the cities but again we suffer from low density and geographic spread. It’s going to take decades to get a fit for purpose public system. NZ loves cars - it allows independence. Until the public transport gets up to speed it will be a long slow transition.

What really gets me is Transit (or whatever it’s called now) promoting an anti car agenda. Blocking roads off, lowering speed limits, taking away car parks, etc. They do it in small towns with absolutely no issues - like Gore even FFS. There is no public support for this anywhere they trial it over the country. They actually publicly admit they want to make it harder for cars to try to get us out of them...

So when is a good time to invest in alternative/public transport infrastructure? Now or later?